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botello

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Can anyone give specifics about NSI? I've seen a couple of different minimum standard lists and some mention a swim test, but I don't see anything specific about that. My DS can swim, but would definitely need to train depending on the requirements.
 
Specific to NSI I recommend you use the google and FB searches and will find details.

Honestly though - forget about NSI but think about practical needs. Overall I would share what I think is the obvious - that people entering the Navy should get comfortable with water- entering from a height, the ability to swim several laps, the ability to retrieve 2 bricks from a depth of 10 feet like in Point Break, the ability to get in and out of an inflatable from water, the ability to buddy-drag a peer across the pool, the ability to tread water, the ability to enter clothed and swim, and to disrobe and use clothing as flotation devices, the ability to demonstrate the caddy synchronized swim sequence from Caddyshack (smile) - really just think about what someone might need should the vessel they are on becomes a risk area and they have to enter the drink, help others, help themselves. My DS was on the swim team and if it helps I will share a lot of people in navy training he's attended or on-campus swims so far were not elite swimmers / did not have good stroke form etc but it wasn't a concern as long as they could get from A to B reasonably and were functionally comfortable in the water.

For fun - from A Few Good Men...
Kaffee:
Whoa. Hold it. We gotta take a boat?

Barnes:
Yes, sir. To get to the other side of the bay.

Kaffee:
Nobody said anything about a boat.

Barnes:
Is there a problem, sir?

Kaffee:
No, no problem. I'm just not that crazy about boats, that's all.

Galloway:
J*s*s Chr*st, Kaffee, you're in the Navy for crying out loud.
 
botello said:
Can anyone give specifics about NSI? I've seen a couple of different minimum standard lists and some mention a swim test, but I don't see anything specific about that. My DS can swim, but would definitely need to train depending on the requirements.
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I went to NSI last year, as long as your DS can make minimum standards on the PRT/PFT and not sink in the water he should be fine. For Navy side the minimum standards are 2:05 min plank, 47 push-ups (in two mins), and a 12:00 min 1.5-mile run. At NSI we completed a 3rd class swim qualification. I am not a swimmer by any stretch of the imagination, it was not hard. DS will have to jump off of a 10ft platform and swim to the end to the pool with any stroke. Then a 5-min prone float is conducted (hardest part), and then a coverall inflation is conducted (easiest part).

We also did abandon ship drills, but we had life jackets on.

I cannot speak on the Marine Option side; however, these were the standards for Navy Options. (Swim qual was same for everyone)

I would assume these core requirements are not subject to change for next year, but I cannot be certain. I can only relay my experience. I hope this helped!
 
The swim qualification is the Navy third class swim qualification. It is really not very hard. It consists of a tower jump (minimum 5' above the water); a 50 yard swim, using any or all of the 4 approved swim strokes; a 5 minute float; a trouser inflation and a blouse inflation. I have included a video demonstration of the test. If you search youtube, you can find some videos about NSI, but part of the training is stepping into the unknown, so not everything will be laid out in advance of arriving. Show up in shape and ready to learn and your DS will be fine.

 
USNAHopeful1 said:
I went to NSI last year, as long as your DS can make minimum standards on the PRT/PFT and not sink in the water he should be fine. For Navy side the minimum standards are 2:05 min plank, 47 push-ups (in two mins), and a 12:00 min 1.5-mile run. At NSI we completed a 3rd class swim qualification. I am not a swimmer by any stretch of the imagination, it was not hard. DS will have to jump off of a 10ft platform and swim to the end to the pool with any stroke. Then a 5-min prone float is conducted (hardest part), and then a coverall inflation is conducted (easiest part).

We also did abandon ship drills, but we had life jackets on.

I cannot speak on the Marine Option side; however, these were the standards for Navy Options. (Swim qual was same for everyone)

I would assume these core requirements are not subject to change for next year, but I cannot be certain. I can only relay my experience. I hope this helped!
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That's a huge help! I hadn't seen the plank requirement anywhere else. What is a coverall inflation?
 
bobthebuilder123 said:
Did anyone get a letter recently about NSI
Herman_Snerd said:
Specific to NSI I recommend you use the google and FB searches and will find details.

Honestly though - forget about NSI but think about practical needs. Overall I would share what I think is the obvious - that people entering the Navy should get comfortable with water- entering from a height, the ability to swim several laps, the ability to retrieve 2 bricks from a depth of 10 feet like in Point Break, the ability to get in and out of an inflatable from water, the ability to buddy-drag a peer across the pool, the ability to tread water, the ability to enter clothed and swim, and to disrobe and use clothing as flotation devices, the ability to demonstrate the caddy synchronized swim sequence from Caddyshack (smile) - really just think about what someone might need should the vessel they are on becomes a risk area and they have to enter the drink, help others, help themselves. My DS was on the swim team and if it helps I will share a lot of people in navy training he's attended or on-campus swims so far were not elite swimmers / did not have good stroke form etc but it wasn't a concern as long as they could get from A to B reasonably and were functionally comfortable in the water.

For fun - from A Few Good Men...
Kaffee:
Whoa. Hold it. We gotta take a boat?

Barnes:
Yes, sir. To get to the other side of the bay.

Kaffee:
Nobody said anything about a boat.

Barnes:
Is there a problem, sir?

Kaffee:
No, no problem. I'm just not that crazy about boats, that's all.

Galloway:
J*s*s Chr*st, Kaffee, you're in the Navy for crying out loud.
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We've Googled...some of the info is different from site to site and someone mentioned a 2:05 plank on this thread and I hadn't seen that anywhere. Thank you for the info above!
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botello said:
That's a huge help! I hadn't seen the plank requirement anywhere else. What is a coverall inflation?
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A coverall inflation is a technique used in "man overboard" situations to allow one to use their uniform, (which are called coveralls) as an improvised floatation device. This technique can also be applied to the camouflage uniform known as NWU Type III. At NSI we did coverall inflation, at my unit we did NWU inflation.

Also, for general information:
The maximums for the PRT (Navy) are 3:35 min Plank, 87 Push-ups (2 mins), and an 8:30 min 1.5-mile run. For future reference all MIDN are evaluated on the 20–24 year old PRT standards even if they are younger (myself included).
 
For the NSI this summer, the senior officer presiding will be the PNS from the University of Colorado. Specific details for successful completion are being staffed to the NSTC Admiral, but there will be 10 basic events. Midshipman Candidates (MC) are expected to complete 80% of all events for satisfactory completion.

There will be Company OICs who will be active duty Lieutenants from NROTC units who will supervise the conduct of NSI along with AMOIs and Recruit Commanders from Navy Recruit Training Command. There will also be selected Midshipmen from across the NROTC enterprise that will help mentor the MCs.

The biggest thing is for an MC to show positive attitude and a willingness to learn. No one expects perfection at this point. But....those who try to slack or become a "Sick Bay Commando" will find themselves in a difficult situation.

If someone struggles with the PRT or the swim portion, depending on their attitude, they will still proceed to their unit. BUT....there will be no scholarship activation until they meet the requirements.

The intent is simple.....if you don't really want to do this, it will become obvious, and you will be sent home.

And the decision to drop anyone is handled at a senior level (O6).

The 10 events I mentioned are below. And I don't have more detail until things get briefed to the Boss and finalized.

1. Warrior Toughness – participate in the entire evolution.
2. Marlinspike – participate in the entire evolution.
3. Weapons Handling/SAM-T/ Live Fire – participate in the entire evolution. Qualifying score not required.
4. 50+ question knowledge exam, must receive 75% to pass.
5. Fire Fighting – must participate in all components of Firefighting and Damage Control.
6. Close Order Drill training-must participate in all drill functions.
7. BCA/Inventory/Final PRT&PFT – must participate in all, highest score of the two is what is entered for scholarship activation from NSI, if they do not pass - must pass at gaining unit for scholarship activation.
8. Uniform Inspection – must participate in all uniform inspections to be considered complete:
9. Swim – must participate in entire evolution.
10. Confidence Chamber-must participate in entire evolution.
 
USNAHopeful1 said:
A coverall inflation is a technique used in "man overboard" situations to allow one to use their uniform, (which are called coveralls) as an improvised floatation device. This technique can also be applied to the camouflage uniform known as NWU Type III. At NSI we did coverall inflation, at my unit we did NWU inflation.

Also, for general information:
The maximums for the PRT (Navy) are 3:35 min Plank, 87 Push-ups (2 mins), and an 8:30 min 1.5-mile run. For future reference all MIDN are evaluated on the 20–24 year old PRT standards even if they are younger (myself included).
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Great info! Thanks so much.
 
ProudDad17 said:
The swim qualification is the Navy third class swim qualification. It is really not very hard. It consists of a tower jump (minimum 5' above the water); a 50 yard swim, using any or all of the 4 approved swim strokes; a 5 minute float; a trouser inflation and a blouse inflation. I have included a video demonstration of the test. If you search youtube, you can find some videos about NSI, but part of the training is stepping into the unknown, so not everything will be laid out in advance of arriving. Show up in shape and ready to learn and your DS will be fine.

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He's ready (or so he thinks lol)! Thank you for the info!
 
GWU PNS said:
For the NSI this summer, the senior officer presiding will be the PNS from the University of Colorado. Specific details for successful completion are being staffed to the NSTC Admiral, but there will be 10 basic events. Midshipman Candidates (MC) are expected to complete 80% of all events for satisfactory completion.

There will be Company OICs who will be active duty Lieutenants from NROTC units who will supervise the conduct of NSI along with AMOIs and Recruit Commanders from Navy Recruit Training Command. There will also be selected Midshipmen from across the NROTC enterprise that will help mentor the MCs.

The biggest thing is for an MC to show positive attitude and a willingness to learn. No one expects perfection at this point. But....those who try to slack or become a "Sick Bay Commando" will find themselves in a difficult situation.

If someone struggles with the PRT or the swim portion, depending on their attitude, they will still proceed to their unit. BUT....there will be no scholarship activation until they meet the requirements.

The intent is simple.....if you don't really want to do this, it will become obvious, and you will be sent home.

And the decision to drop anyone is handled at a senior level (O6).

The 10 events I mentioned are below. And I don't have more detail until things get briefed to the Boss and finalized.

1. Warrior Toughness – participate in the entire evolution.
2. Marlinspike – participate in the entire evolution.
3. Weapons Handling/SAM-T/ Live Fire – participate in the entire evolution. Qualifying score not required.
4. 50+ question knowledge exam, must receive 75% to pass.
5. Fire Fighting – must participate in all components of Firefighting and Damage Control.
6. Close Order Drill training-must participate in all drill functions.
7. BCA/Inventory/Final PRT&PFT – must participate in all, highest score of the two is what is entered for scholarship activation from NSI, if they do not pass - must pass at gaining unit for scholarship activation.
8. Uniform Inspection – must participate in all uniform inspections to be considered complete:
9. Swim – must participate in entire evolution.
10. Confidence Chamber-must participate in entire evolution.
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Great information! He's eager and ready to learn as well as in pretty good shape, but will be training hard this spring. Thank you so much!
 
Are there multiple dates, or just one session?

Asking because I know my son is also trying to do a COTRAMID session. I don't think he has been told he will be doing both yet (knowing from you that the desire of Command is that all schoilarship mids go through NSI).
 
IronmanDaremo said:
Are there multiple dates, or just one session?

Asking because I know my son is also trying to do a COTRAMID session. I don't think he has been told he will be doing both yet (knowing from you that the desire of Command is that all schoilarship mids go through NSI).
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2022 NSI Dates from the letter are:
June 10 - 29
July 1 - 20
July 22 - Aug 10

Does anyone have experience if you can express a session preference with your Battalion or Great Lakes?
 
IronmanDaremo said:
Son said something about mandatory NSI for class of '26 on. He's c/o '25.
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I'm not sure and yet I believe from prior threads that your DS is a college programmer who "picked up" and won a scholarship while participating in NROTC which is awesome. In this case I do not believe he will attend NSI as he already indoctrinated, has proven basic performance, and had military science training in the courtesies, customs, marching, and demonstrated the PT basics. He's also likely already been through NSO orientation at his school last Fall. He should put himself through a confidence chamber just as gosh it's a fun experience, but that's another story for another day:) Please let the group know what happens.

Generally fyi in recent years not everyone gets the Navy summer experience / cruises. DS had NSI, then Cortramid was canceled for the class of '23 (Covid), and last summer simply not everyone who signed up had a summer cruise. DS had one , and yet 2 of his roommates had abbreviated or no cruise at all. Understanable with covid and all, but we're still in the pandemic so I'm just sharing it's not a guarantee. Others reported last year not going to NSI even though they were national scholarship winners. Again not sure why but just information sharing as it may be useful.
 
IronmanDaremo said:
Son said something about mandatory NSI for class of '26 on. He's c/o '25.
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Interesting comment about mandatory starting for class of '26. Son is a freshman ('25) college programmer who just picked up 4 year. He was told that he has to attend NSI and could not attend CORTRAMID. He asked about doing both and was told no due to funding reasons. He is not trying to get out of NSI but does not want to miss the CORTRAMID experience with his peers. Any other college programmer getting same or different info from their units?
 
My high school senior son has applied for the NROTC scholarship. He is waiting for a decision. Our family is trying to get an idea of what his summer schedule will be if he is successful. (We recognize that if/when he joins the Navy he will no longer control his schedule!) Thank you for the NSI dates above. If he receives a scholarship, will he attend NSI with his unit or on his own? Is the date assigned? Do any units NOT go to NSI? One of his schools has an orientation the week before school starts. Is that a substitute? Separately, if he does not receive a scholarship and wants to apply to the College Program at a school, will he still attend NSI? Thank you so much. He has been trying to obtain this information officially. I thought I would ask here also. Thank you in advance for any insight on this.
 
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