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Nothing is going to appear on the portals until after the 72 hour window.
WP wants to give the MOCs the first opportunity to tell the candidate the good news.
After the 72 hours, the FFR can tell the candidate and it can then be put on the portal.

I had read that somewhere, didn't know how valid it was. I just thought my FFR had checked my profile and I just wasn't looking in the right places. Getting excited... hahaha.
 
Thanks buff81 for the rational explanation. We will continue to wait for word until 31 JAN, fingers crossed, and then wait until 28 FEB if needed, and so on...
 
I know your FFR very well! You got one of the best!

Y'all don't need to overthink this LOE/LOA thing too much.
They are 2 very different creatures. LOA - WP commits to give you an appointment if you meet xyz conditions. LOE - WP (at that date) thinks you are a very good candidate (you've met certain thresholds) and wants to encourage you to keep WP on your radar screen. LOEs are to encourage the candidate without any commitment by WP to offer an appointment.

The appointments gong out this week are being given to those that have won a vacancy (either MOC or service-connected) or if they have a LOA + a nom (does not need to be a vacancy winner).
There are probably some without LOEs that are in that 374 number of appointments that went out this week. If you are 3'd and the clear cut vacancy winner, then you will get an appointment - LOE or not. Some LOEs are not going to hear anything now as they may not be the vacancy winner - either because the vacancy winner can't be determined yet (MOC hasn't turned in their slate or an incomplete application, or there is a DoDMERB issue or a CFA issue, etc) or they are not the top of the slate by WCS on a competitive slate or are not the P-nom on a ranked slate. Some LOAs may not hear now bc their MOCs have not submitted their slates yet.

All that to say - DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED if you have a LOE or LOA or neither and are not in this first wave. These are the appointments that are clear cut. It does not mean that you are any less competitive. Not all MOC slates are in. Not all applications are complete. Not all remedials/wavers have been resolved. Not all files have been qualified. It will all become clearer by 31 Jan - the MOC deadline to submit their slate(s). Clearer by 28 FEB - the application deadline.

Many more of you will hear. It's the wait game now. I look forward to seeing more names on the appointment list! :thumb:

How does someone win a "service connected" vacancy?
 
I believe all those that have a presidential nomination will compete for the spots. I am sure they are tanked already in some sort of order by their WCS. The presidential Nom can have 400 spots in the academy at a time so not sure how many they will have this year
 
I believe all those that have a presidential nomination will compete for the spots. I am sure they are tanked already in some sort of order by their WCS. The presidential Nom can have 400 spots in the academy at a time so not sure how many they will have this year

Presidential noms don't encompass all "service connected" noms, right? Thinking of Regular Army/Reserve Components and JROTC/SROTC per the West Point website.
http://www.usma.edu/admissions/SitePages/Apply_Nominations.aspx
 
How does someone win a "service connected" vacancy?

With Service-Connected noms, if you qualify for a one of these noms, you get the nom. There are slots associated with each of these noms.

For example, the Presidential nom.
If you meet the qualifications for a Presidential nom, you get a Presidential nom.
Presidential nom has 100 slots per year.
Hundreds (historically 500-600) per year get this nomination but only 100/year will 'win' the slot.
So what happens to the others that don't 'win' a Presidential slot? They go on the NWL but they will not compete for an appointment in the first 150 off the NWL. Those 150 must be those with a MOC nom. The Service-Connected noms on the NWL will compete for an appointment after the 150 has been selected and if more appointments are needed to fill the class, then WP can select candidates with Service-Connected noms, however they can only select them in ratio of 3:1, Congressional to Service-Connected. IOW - they can appoint 1 with a Service-Connected nom to every 3 with a MOC nom.

The most competitive Service-Connected nom is the ROTC nom. There are only 20 slots/year. Those that qualify can come from JROTC and SROTC units. Every Army JROTC and SROTC unit can nominate 3 candidates. Non Army ROTCs can nominate 3 if they are a Honor with Distinction unit. Therefore, 100s can be nominated for this nom, yet there are only 20 slots. Those not selected for the 20 slots still have a nom and will go on the NWL and be selected in the 3:1 ratio as explained above.

If you only have one or more of the Service-Connected noms and no MOC nom, it has been my experience that you will not receive a call from a MOC telling you that you have an appointment simply because you were not on their slate. You just receive the BFE in the mail or see it on your portal.
 
SC NOMs

In a funny twist. I've seen where not all the ROTC and SDVET appointments are used in a given year. Even though you know there are plenty of people who had NOMs for them.

BTW - This is based on information from this site.
 
Not every year do all 100 pre get in, because they have to do the math at how many will get in under that nomination. Some years it has only been 89 or 72. There can only be 400 under that nom at a time

My understanding is that the NWL 150 candidates will receive their nom under the secretary of the defense. I am pretty sure this is the legality of it
 
Here is the law about the NWL
however, a person who is eligible for selection under paragraph (1) of subsection (a) may not be selected under this paragraph.
(2) 85 nominated by the Secretary of the Army from enlisted members of the Regular Army.
(3) 85 nominated by the Secretary of the Army from enlisted members of reserve components of the Army.
(4) 20 nominated by the Secretary of the Army, under regulations prescribed by him, from the honor graduates of schools designated as honor schools by the Department of the Army, the Department of the Navy, or the Department of the Air Force, and from members of the Reserve Officers’ Training Corps.
(5) 150 selected by the Secretary of the Army in order of merit (prescribed pursuant to section 4343 of this title) from qualified alternates nominated by persons named in paragraphs (3) and (4) of subsection (a).
 
In a funny twist. I've seen where not all the ROTC and SDVET appointments are used in a given year. Even though you know there are plenty of people who had NOMs for them.

BTW - This is based on information from this site.

I'd find it hard to believe that not all ROTC slots are filled. However, I agree that not all SDVET slots may not be filled as there are not many that qualify for it.

Not every year do all 100 pre get in, because they have to do the math at how many will get in under that nomination. Some years it has only been 89 or 72. There can only be 400 under that nom at a time

WP expects to fill 100/year for the Presidential nom.

My understanding is that the NWL 150 candidates will receive their nom under the secretary of the defense. I am pretty sure this is the legality of it

The 150 NWL slots are Sec of the Army noms - we just don't usually refer to them as that.

So complicated!!

Understatement of the year! It is very complicated and this is where WP uses their years of experience to slot everyone in the best way to get those that they want in the class, an appointment.

Here is the law about the NWL
however, a person who is eligible for selection under paragraph (1) of subsection (a) may not be selected under this paragraph.
(2) 85 nominated by the Secretary of the Army from enlisted members of the Regular Army.
(3) 85 nominated by the Secretary of the Army from enlisted members of reserve components of the Army.
(4) 20 nominated by the Secretary of the Army, under regulations prescribed by him, from the honor graduates of schools designated as honor schools by the Department of the Army, the Department of the Navy, or the Department of the Air Force, and from members of the Reserve Officers’ Training Corps.
(5) 150 selected by the Secretary of the Army in order of merit (prescribed pursuant to section 4343 of this title) from qualified alternates nominated by persons named in paragraphs (3) and (4) of subsection (a).

Only #5 is about the NWL. #2-#4 describe service connected noms. #1 that you did not include in your quote from the US Code describes the Presidential nom.
 
:) I think the admissions have their hands full and do the best they can, bravo to them. Thanks Buff for all the knowledge because it really is like a crazy algorithm
 
Buff81 - thanks for all the clarification! If a highly competitive candidate does not have a nom (MOC only allow one nom - per student- per state) is the VP nom the only possibility?
 
Buff81 - thanks for all the clarification! If a highly competitive candidate does not have a nom (MOC only allow one nom - per student- per state) is the VP nom the only possibility?

Probably. There are some Supe noms, but they generally go to LOAs without noms.
 
ROTC/SDVET NOMs

I'd find it hard to believe that not all ROTC slots are filled. However, I agree that not all SDVET slots may not be filled as there are not many that qualify for it.

Yes, I find it hard to believe also 9about the ROTC). I saw it on here in one of the strings. MY DD has MOC/ROTC/SDVET, so I don't think the NOM is going to be an issue.
 
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