NWL question - sorry!

candor

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Hi everyone! I just received this email from my RC, even though I did not receive a 3Q letter on my portal.

You are fully qualified and right now we are waiting to fill out the class. Unfortunately, you do not have a spot right now. However as you are fully qualified with a nomination, if a slot opens up that you can fill, you will find out immediately. Please feel free to keep checking if you would like maybe once every other week or so.

Does this look like I am "triple qualified on the NWL" like everyone else who doesn't have an appointment yet, or is this different?
Am I in the right direction?
Thank you!
 

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Hi everyone! I just received this email from my RC, even though I did not receive a 3Q letter on my portal.

You are fully qualified and right now we are waiting to fill out the class. Unfortunately, you do not have a spot right now. However as you are fully qualified with a nomination, if a slot opens up that you can fill, you will find out immediately. Please feel free to keep checking if you would like maybe once every other week or so.

Does this look like I am "triple qualified on the NWL" like everyone else who doesn't have an appointment yet, or is this different?
Am I in the right direction?
Thank you!
Sounds like they completed ranking and filling your MOC's slate and you were not offered an appointment from that list. It appears you are 3Q'd and now on the NWL. Now you wait for the 150 top NWL appointees to be named (after all MOC slates are done) and then the final spots to meet class goals to see if you receive an appointment from those lists.
 

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Hi everyone! I just received this email from my RC, even though I did not receive a 3Q letter on my portal.

You are fully qualified and right now we are waiting to fill out the class. Unfortunately, you do not have a spot right now. However as you are fully qualified with a nomination, if a slot opens up that you can fill, you will find out immediately. Please feel free to keep checking if you would like maybe once every other week or so.

Does this look like I am "triple qualified on the NWL" like everyone else who doesn't have an appointment yet, or is this different?
Am I in the right direction?
Thank you!

I agree. This means that you did not win you MOCs slate and since we are still a month away from the closure of the application window, your MOC most likely submitted a principal nominee. You are on the NWL now and will compete for the at large slots later in the process. Keep looking for opportunities to increase your WCS and update your file with changes. This can be done until the end of February. Keep working on Plan B & C, while you are full qualified, the road to an appointment just got longer.
 

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Okay, thank you everyone! I received 3 nominations to USMA - one of which was an alternate nom. I got 2 from my congressman but I assumed they were competitive slates...
I thought that everyone was placed on NWL until they either received a BFE or TWE. If I've already lost my slates, does this mean that my chances have dropped significantly? I understand that only about 150 get off the NWL, so if I don't have the highest WCS, I'm just out of the game?
 

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Okay, thank you everyone! I received 3 nominations to USMA - one of which was an alternate nom. I got 2 from my congressman but I assumed they were competitive slates...
I thought that everyone was placed on NWL until they either received a BFE or TWE. If I've already lost my slates, does this mean that my chances have dropped significantly? I understand that only about 150 get off the NWL, so if I don't have the highest WCS, I'm just out of the game?
They will first pull top 150 off the NWL by law then they can throw out the list and make appointments based on need to fill class goals (athletes, leaders, scholars, minorities, etc). These spots are completely up to WP and not based on WCS per say. So you are not out of it all together, the wait just got longer. Usually the more noms the higher your chances, are you from a very competitive district?
 

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Hi everyone! I just received this email from my RC, even though I did not receive a 3Q letter on my portal.

You are fully qualified and right now we are waiting to fill out the class. Unfortunately, you do not have a spot right now. However as you are fully qualified with a nomination, if a slot opens up that you can fill, you will find out immediately. Please feel free to keep checking if you would like maybe once every other week or so.

Does this look like I am "triple qualified on the NWL" like everyone else who doesn't have an appointment yet, or is this different?
Am I in the right direction?
Thank you!

I know maybe not the immediate gratification you were looking for, but you are still in the mix and you know where you stand.

Kudos to your RC for the communication and the offer to check back. That level of communication is not always provided.
 

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You are correct that everyone is placed on the NWL until the slates are resolved, your RC provided a little more information about where you sit on the slate. Since you are saying that you are on three slates, there is nothing set in stone. I would think that all three of your nominations cannot be principals so you may still be competing on some of the slates. The competitive slates cannot be resolved until the application period ends at the end of February. The admissions staff do have you ranked and have a pretty good idea where you sit on each slate. As this ranking can change up to the deadline, you may want to reach out to your RC and ask if there is anything you could do to strengthen your application. No one on this forum can tell you how the NWL will play out this year.
 

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The competitive slates cannot be resolved until the application period ends at the end of February

I would respectfully submit that this is not entirely accurate. There are in many cases slates that have clear vacancy winners. USMA will not wait until the end of February to award the appointment.
 

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That is what I thought as well. I was fairly confident that my MOC slates were in a competitive format, not principal. That being said, I am assuming that there may have been two "clear winners" but I will keep trying!
 

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I agree that some slates can be resolved before the deadline but feel those or the exceptions not the rule. This is a competition and they want to give the kids time to prove themselves. I also think that in most districts that are competitive will not be very many "clear winners".
 

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I agree that some slates can be resolved before the deadline but feel those or the exceptions not the rule. This is a competition and they want to give the kids time to prove themselves. I also think that in most districts that are competitive will not be very many "clear winners".

Again, I have to disagree about it being the exception in general. There are many slates where the competition is not stiff and there are clear vacancy winners. There are many slates that do not even have 10 names on them. I do agree with you that in the pockets of congressional districts where there are hundreds of nomination applicants, it may take longer to resolve the slate. But, if you look at how the offers have come out historically and the volume of accepted offers before the end of February it supports the idea that "clear slate winners" are more than just exceptions. Last year there was not a great deal of public facebook communication by admissions about accepted offers for the class of 2020. For the class of 2019, admissions posted on facebook on Feb 17 2015 that there were 429 accepted offers and again on March 3, 2015 that there were 559 accepted appointments. This would indicate that many slates did not wait until the end of Feb to resolve.

I think I read somewhere on here that the bulk of appointees are sourced through congressional nominations. If that is the case, then the above would indicate that clear vacancy winners are not an exception.
 

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When West Point is looking to fill out a class profile not based on WCS, is this where it is advantageous to have something like Eagle Scout on your application? Also I remember reading that they have to give these appointments out to a 3:1 congressional nomination to service-connected nomination. So would having both a service connected nomination and congressional nomination be super useful when they are trying to manipulate nomination sources?
 

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They will first pull top 150 off the NWL by law then they can throw out the list and make appointments based on need to fill class goals (athletes, leaders, scholars, minorities, etc). These spots are completely up to WP and not based on WCS per say. So you are not out of it all together, the wait just got longer. Usually the more noms the higher your chances, are you from a very competitive district?
I jave
They will first pull top 150 off the NWL by law then they can throw out the list and make appointments based on need to fill class goals (athletes, leaders, scholars, minorities, etc). These spots are completely up to WP and not based on WCS per say. So you are not out of it all together, the wait just got longer. Usually the more noms the higher your chances, are you from a very competitive district?
Question...how can one find out if they are in a competitive district?
 

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I jave

Question...how can one find out if they are in a competitive district?
From what I have gathered in other threads, you can search other posts for your district competitiveness, ask your RC, or call your MOC office. I believe any district with 50+ applicants is pretty competitive. Some states like VA have hundreds of applicants per section though. However, there really is no point in knowing...district competitiveness shouldn't make someone try harder (or not) on an application.
 

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Agreed. This is a long process...I was just trying to find out for Florida Congressional District 9, if anyone knows. I googled and looked on our boards here and haven't found anything. I do know of 1 appointment already for a recruited athlete from my district. Anyone know the competitiveness of mine? MOC was not re-elected and we asked beforehand and they said they did not disclose. RC just says to have patience and my DD is taking the last ACT test on Saturday too.
 

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I also feel like I've seen one or two people from your district with appointments. No worries! The journey is long, but luckily, the ride is far from over. Several candidates can be appointed if USMA wants them. Best of luck to your DD on the ACT.
 

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Candidates should know that the RC's at West Point are extremely open as a general rule. With my son three different RC's met with him during visits and opened his file on the computer, then literally went over his application and compared things like ACT scores, class standing, and other accomplishments against the most competitive candidates in our district. The first time we visited, the RC actually asked my son if he knew some of the kids, because he knew my son would have competed against them in sports. They told my son what he needed to make sure he was at the top of the list, and gave a lot of great tips. Incredibly valuable information.

Every candidate should visit at least once, attend the morning briefing, and meet with the RC who is on duty. When you leave the admissions building you will know exactly where you stand.
 

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Candidates should know that the RC's at West Point are extremely open as a general rule. With my son three different RC's met with him during visits and opened his file on the computer, then literally went over his application and compared things like ACT scores, class standing, and other accomplishments against the most competitive candidates in our district. The first time we visited, the RC actually asked my son if he knew some of the kids, because he knew my son would have competed against them in sports. They told my son what he needed to make sure he was at the top of the list, and gave a lot of great tips. Incredibly valuable information.

Every candidate should visit at least once, attend the morning briefing, and meet with the RC who is on duty. When you leave the admissions building you will know exactly where you stand.
Is it possible to gain that information from a phone call to the RC? Or do you only gain that privilege if visiting the campus?
 

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Is it possible to gain that information from a phone call to the RC? Or do you only gain that privilege if visiting the campus?
My son didn't get as much candidness in response to the couple emails he sent, and he only called his RC once on a technical question. When you go there they get you in an office and answer all questions. That is when you get the good stuff.
 
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