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When both of my guys applied and were admitted there was no correspondence on NWL nor any communication with the FFR or RC. None. So, it doesn't really matter. I know that everyone who is still waiting is trying to read the tea leaves...but honestly, you just cannot know until your child is notified.
 
aamomny said:
Did your DD have interview? I'm asking because my DS, Northeast region and still waiting on NWL, didn't have communication with FFR either nor interview.
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Where in the Northeast are you? My DS had an interview with FFR, but has had limited contact. His emails have often gone unreturned. He has been on the NWL since first week in January.
 
USMA 1994 said:
@FrauTeufelshund I apologize if I may have sounded a little harsh and it Is a hard time of year. My DD was one of those QNS a few years ago who also had a ROTC and track opportunity at a Div 1 school. She never gave up on her dream to attend at is graduating from West Point in a few weeks. Help your son understand the process and see where he can improve to reapply.
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It's fine, not too harsh, just reality. I am glad nothing in this forum is sugar coated. I apologize for being a crybaby. DS is basically over it but I am still dwelling. Even if DS is very strong academically, in sports/clubs and in leadership, and quite the stand-out here (small public school in the middle of nowhere), that doesn't reflect where he stands in comparison to his competition. If it was the SAT score, I guess I am just having trouble grasping that the results of a 4 hour multiple choice test (where 41 percent of the class also lies) overrides all the other aspects of my kid's application and character.

If he reapplies, he will have learned a lot from this cycle and will approach certain parts of it differently. He will need to rock the SAT (I assume whoever won the slate, must have). Onward. Thank you, all.
 
FrauTeufelshund said:
It's fine, not too harsh, just reality. I am glad nothing in this forum is sugar coated. I apologize for being a crybaby. DS is basically over it but I am still dwelling. Even if DS is very strong academically, in sports/clubs and in leadership, and quite the stand-out here (small public school in the middle of nowhere), that doesn't reflect where he stands in comparison to his competition. If it was the SAT score, I guess I am just having trouble grasping that the results of a 4 hour multiple choice test (where 41 percent of the class also lies) overrides all the other aspects of my kid's application and character.

If he reapplies, he will have learned a lot from this cycle and will approach certain parts of it differently. He will need to rock the SAT (I assume whoever won the slate, must have). Onward. Thank you, all.
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Best of luck. As you have noticed throughout this thread - test scores, test scores, test scores - the bedrock of the majority of strong files. I have been in FF for over 40 years. Some statewide percentile numbers over the past 3 years not including this 2025 group. Average offer/accept percentile (either SAT or ACT) each year was consistently 94. Average QNSd percentile was also consistent year to year at about 90. Our high mark is 100th percentile (of course) with lowest being 75th percentile. Lower percentiles mostly (not always) are typically recruited athletes, USMAPS, or enlisted entrants. I tell candidates that their chances are better with 94 percentile super-scores. And always have a plan B and C. I have also served on countless scholarship and fellowship review committees across the country for the past 30 years. I am all for having subjective admissions criteria and aggressive outreach to underserved sources of candidates, but as much as some want to poo-poo SATs and ACTs they are still the best indicator of undergrad, graduate, and earning success in life - that is the data.
 
Quick question for you guys, because of the Coronavirus, my SAT's were obviously very disrupted I took them twice, because they were cancelled on me 3 times before that and ended up getting a 1350, 710 math/640 Reading, I am on the NWL right now. I have a 3.9 gpa/4.0 took all honors/AP, Sophmore-Senior Year, Senior Year all AP, great leadership/ec, work a job over the summer 40 if not more hours a week, 12 hours a week during school year, 2 year Varsity Letter football, 4 years of football. Do you guys think I have a chance, I was told that only a 1400 plus gets you off, but I have hope that a 1350 in a year like this gives me a shot. Any insight is very helpful?
 
Money33 said:
Quick question for you guys, because of the Coronavirus, my SAT's were obviously very disrupted I took them twice, because they were cancelled on me 3 times before that and ended up getting a 1350, 710 math/640 Reading, I am on the NWL right now. I have a 3.9 gpa/4.0 took all honors/AP, Sophmore-Senior Year, Senior Year all AP, great leadership/ec, work a job over the summer 40 if not more hours a week, 12 hours a week during school year, 2 year Varsity Letter football, 4 years of football. Do you guys think I have a chance, I was told that only a 1400 plus gets you off, but I have hope that a 1350 in a year like this gives me a shot. Any insight is very helpful?
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The process is too segmented to make a realistic assessment. A slate winner may have already accepted an appointment and you may not be in competition for other categories, in which case your chances are near 0%. Or a slate winner may be about to decline the offer and you are next in your district, in which case your chances are probably 90+%.

The only person who could accurately determine your chances is your RC because only your RC knows your WCS score, the WCS scores of those you are competing against, and any possibility that you could be appointed out of order of merit.

Your FFR might have a good idea depending on the number of qualified candidates in the district, their stats, and whether any Offered candidates have accepted or declined offers. But the FFR will probably not know where you stand with respect to a Qualified Alternate or Additional Appointee appointment.

The information about "1400 plus" is out of context - the WCS score is what matters and it doesn't matter where those points come from. A higher test score contributes more to the WCS score than a lower test score, but the only thing that matters is your score compared to the scores of candidates you are competing against.
 
If my chances were 0 why wouldn’t they just give me a TWE? Also, I did not win my district, So do I have a chance with a 1350 to get in off the NWL or is that too low a score, everything else or the other 70% of the application I did very well, so is that SAT score good enough in your opinion to get in or no? Has anyone in this forum got a 1350 and got into West Point?
 
Money33 said:
If my chances were 0 why wouldn’t they just give me a TWE? Also, I did not win my district, So do I have a chance with a 1350 to get in off the NWL or is that too low a score, everything else or the other 70% of the application I did very well, so is that SAT score good enough in your opinion to get in or no? Has anyone in this forum got a 1350 and got into West Point?
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You still certainly have a chance. Once slates get resolved and the medical deadline passes more notifications will be sent out. I am still waiting and I have a 1260 SAT.
 
Money33 said:
If my chances were 0 why wouldn’t they just give me a TWE? Also, I did not win my district, So do I have a chance with a 1350 to get in off the NWL or is that too low a score, everything else or the other 70% of the application I did very well, so is that SAT score good enough in your opinion to get in or no? Has anyone in this forum got a 1350 and got into West Point?
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I received an offer of appointment off the NWL with a 1290 SAT.
 
Money33 said:
Quick question for you guys, because of the Coronavirus, my SAT's were obviously very disrupted I took them twice, because they were cancelled on me 3 times before that and ended up getting a 1350, 710 math/640 Reading, I am on the NWL right now. I have a 3.9 gpa/4.0 took all honors/AP, Sophmore-Senior Year, Senior Year all AP, great leadership/ec, work a job over the summer 40 if not more hours a week, 12 hours a week during school year, 2 year Varsity Letter football, 4 years of football. Do you guys think I have a chance, I was told that only a 1400 plus gets you off, but I have hope that a 1350 in a year like this gives me a shot. Any insight is very helpful?
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Theres a ton of other factors that they look at but on paper your file seems above average. Noone on here can say for certain but I'd say there's def a chance if you're still on the NWL at this point. Keep your head up.
 
arcticharley32 said:
I received an offer of appointment off the NWL with a 1290 SAT.
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All appointees are offered admission from the NWL. It is the holding place for all qualified candidates until nomination slates are resolved. Unless your RC told you specifically you have no idea how your appointment is charged or will be charged. With a 1290 SAT you were most likely not charged as a Qualified Alternate that most people see as the next 150 in order of merit of the remaining NWL applicants. You were more likely a slate winner from a MOC or you have some other under-represented characteristic that the Academy desires and was charged as an Additional Appointee.
 
USMA 1994 said:
All appointees are offered admission from the NWL. It is the holding place for all qualified candidates until nomination slates are resolved. Unless your RC told you specifically you have no idea how your appointment is charged or will be charged. With a 1290 SAT you were most likely not charged as a Qualified Alternate that most people see as the next 150 in order of merit of the remaining NWL applicants. You were more likely a slate winner from a MOC or you have some other under-represented characteristic that the Academy desires and was charged as an Additional Appointee.
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Thank you for the clarification.
 
Money33 said:
If my chances were 0 why wouldn’t they just give me a TWE? Also, I did not win my district, So do I have a chance with a 1350 to get in off the NWL or is that too low a score, everything else or the other 70% of the application I did very well, so is that SAT score good enough in your opinion to get in or no? Has anyone in this forum got a 1350 and got into West Point?
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You are asking people from outside of admissions to look inside the black box of admissions - they can't. Any answer is speculation. Here are some clarifying points:
  • How do you know that you did not win the district? The deadline for response is May 1st - many districts unresolved. Only the RC knows how an appointment is charged. Even the MOC won't know at this point, unless they had a Principal Nominee appointed or admissions informed them.
  • A 1350 is the 92nd percentile. Possibly not high enough to win a Qualified Alternate appointment, but impossible to tell without knowing how your WCS score compares to those of others. Due to the pandemic, this is a very different year. Past results may have little predictive value this year. Test scores this year may be evaluated differently than past years - will West Point lose excellent candidates because they could only take a test once, compared to candidates who took multiple tests? Only an admissions officer can answer that question.
  • While admissions tries to give TWE's when they realize a candidate has little chance of an appointment, that does not always happen
  • Many candidates have received appointments with far lower scores than 1350, but that information has no bearing on any individual candidate's chances
 
Thank you so much for a detailed response, I have never put my stats in the forum before, but I feel like this admissions wait is very long, I now understand the whole waiting thing, I have heard back from everyone except for West Point which is my top choice. Thank you guys again, as well as everyone in this forum who takes time out of their day to give detailed answers, I really appreciate it.
 
A few years ago West Point changed the decision day from April 15th to May 1st, which is one reason for longer wait times in recent years before some candidates get notified.
 
FrauTeufelshund said:
I wish DS's FFR cared about his candidates the same way you do. Slightly disappointed in DS's FFR. DS got on NWL in November, TWE in March. He was in close contact with FFR throughout the application process. DS retook the SAT in the fall and immediately let FFR know he improved his score from an 1100 to a 1280. FFR could have pointed out that a 1280 was still too low and hurting his overall WCS and could have encouraged a final retake but he did not. DS thought that once on the NWL that he was considered qualified. With some time DS learned that that SAT is actually hurting his score but retaking wasn't an option since his results wouldn't be back by the application deadline. The more research he did the more he wished he had retaken the SAT for a third time. He expressed his willingness to his FFR on the prep school route, but FFR told him not to jump the gun but to wait on their decision.

Then TWE arrives and DS gets FFR's feedback, something about the great number of other qualified candidates in the "(JROTC) service connected nomination pool' and that he should try again next year. Also that next year his MOC will have USMA noms to give out (MOC had five attending WP this year, so no MOC noms to give out this year). Then DS replies, but he had also had a SENATORIAL nom? Strangely, no mention of that. He got zero constructive feedback on what went wrong (interviews? essays? test scores?). Or if there is a different route (prep school, military college) or what he could do to improve his application should he try again next year. And nothing about where he stacked up compared to the others on either slate. Sadly DS expected overall guidance and advice through the process and not just two line emails. Bummer.

Right now, he's done with WP. Plan B (ROTC) was probably the better option in the first place.
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DS (JROTC nominee) had an SAT in the 97th percentile and his FFR suggested taking it again (we were shocked) but we convinced DS to take it again and improved into the 99th percentile. Was that what got him in not sure but it didn't hurt.
 
JCSDVM1 said:
DS (JROTC nominee) had an SAT in the 97th percentile and his FFR suggested taking it again (we were shocked) but we convinced DS to take it again and improved into the 99th percentile. Was that what got him in not sure but it didn't hurt.
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Wow! Congrats to your DS! Good luck at WP!
 
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