One of nine equal nomination.

[GoNavyBeatArmy1]

So today I just received a senatorial nomination. The Senator uses a principle nomination system where there’s one top nominee followed by 9 of equal rank. My nomination is one of those 9. However, it is my understanding that a person of congress can only have 5 of his nominees in one service academy at a time. Since this years principle nomination will get an acceptance, and there’s only one spot for the senator, does this mean my nomination has lower chances with acceptance.

 

[okboomer]

It means you will have to compete with all the other candidates that are 3 Q’d and on the NWL

 

[okboomer]

Assuming the principal nominee is also 3 Q’d

 

[A1Janitor]

So today I just received a senatorial nomination. The Senator uses a principle nomination system where there’s one top nominee followed by 9 of equal rank. My nomination is one of those 9. However, it is my understanding that a person of congress can only have 5 of his nominees in one service academy at a time. Since this years principle nomination will get an acceptance, and there’s only one spot for the senator, does this mean my nomination has lower chances with acceptance.

They can have five charged to them. Others that live in the state can be charged elsewhere.

Certainly if the principal nom is 3q - you have no chance of winning that slate.

Good luck.

 

[Overwhelmed]

The principal nominee may also not accept the appointment.

 

[noclist314]

What if the principal nom does not have an loa but one of the 9, do?

 

[A1Janitor]

What if the principal nom does not have an loa but one of the 9, do?

Principal nom and 3Q is not guaranteed by law to get in like USMA and USAFA ... but extremely rare to not get appointment offer.

LOA and 3Q is assured of appointment with any nom.

One would be charged elsewhere.

 

[shock-n-awe]

What if the principal nom does not have an loa but one of the 9, do?

Principal Nominee plus being 3Q= Appointment (exception is USNA on occasion)
Anyone who has an LOA and 3Q plus Nomination = Appointment .
Theoretically all remaining 9 on the slate could meet that standard and receive offers of Appointment. Their Nominations would not be “charged” to that MOC. There are many examples where multiple people in the same Congressional District receive offers of Appointment from the same slate. It’s all about how/where their Nominations are “charged” that is unknown.

 

[SETXWarrior]

I know it's difficult to really comprehend what a complex puzzle the Admissions Board has to put together. It's one reason you will see Appointments being offered the week before I-Day. One thing that is important to remember, is that the Board may not charge your MOC's nomination to you. I have also heard that the USNA is the only SA that does not have to accept the MOC's principal nominee (Disclaimer: I read that somewhere so please do not take that as gospel). So the takeaway is, please do not think it's Game Over when you see the principal nominee has accepted the appointment. There is the national pool, and many other nominations the Board can charge to a highly competitive candidate.

 

[NROTC93]

How do you know if its an equal nomination or if the candidate is the MOC principal nominee? My candidate received a nomination for USNA from both his Congressman and Senator this week.

 

[BBQ-Devil]

We were fortunate last year as our Senator had 2 open spots at USAFA for 2023 and submitted 2 slates (20 nominations).

 

[UFDMD]

How do you know if its an equal nomination or if the candidate is the MOC principal nominee? My candidate received a nomination for USNA from both his Congressman and Senator this week.

Only way to know is if MOC makes this information public.

 

[FutureAcademyDad?]

Last year DD received competitive noms to USAFA and USNA from our Congressman, who uses the principal + 9 competitive system. She also received noms to USAFA, USMA, and USNA from Senator Harris in CA. We do not know which method the Senator used, but I do not believe that DD was a principal for any of the those nominations, although I suppose it is possible. She had an LOA to USCGA, but not to USAFA, USMA, or USNA, although she did receive an LOE from USMA.

Fast forward to spring of 2019. Our Congressman held a meet and greet for the 9 appointees from our district. There were 3 to USAFA, 3 to USMA, and 3 to USNA. Of those, 1 was his principal to USMA AND 1 was his principal to USNA. The principal for USAFA dropped out for unknown reasons; not 3Q, chose a different school, or some other scenario. In any event, of the 9 candidates in our district that received appointments, only 2 were principal nominees. I believe that 2 of the others received LOAs as recruited athletes. That means that 5 of the 9 were not principal nominees, nor did they have LOAs. So the majority of the appointments issued went to candidates who were simply competitive nominees.

Moreover, some percentage of the 9 may have received multiple appointment offers, since most, if not all, of them had multiple nominations from the Congressman and may have also received nominations from other sources as well. I know that at least one of them, my DD, received appointment offers from USAFA, USMA, USNA, as well as one from USCGA. I don't know to what nomination source her appointments were charged, or the charged sources for the other 8 appointees in our district, although presumably the 2 principals were charged to the Congressman.

The point of all this, is that the central issue is not what nomination method the MOC uses, or whether the MOC has open slots available at one, or all, of the SAs. Based on a review of our district's appointment history in recent years, it is clear to me that our Congressman almost certainly did not have open slots for all of those appointments last year. So it really doesn't matter if you are one of 9 competitive candidates, or a principal nominee. If you are 3Q with a nom, and if the particular SA wants you, you will receive an appointment.

Control what is in your grasp and ignore everything else

 

[A1Janitor]

Last year DD received competitive noms to USAFA and USNA from our Congressman, who uses the principal + 9 competitive system. She also received noms to USAFA, USMA, and USNA from Senator Harris in CA. We do not know which method the Senator used, but I do not believe that DD was a principal for any of the those nominations, although I suppose it is possible. She had an LOA to USCGA, but not to USAFA, USMA, or USNA, although she did receive an LOE from USMA.

Fast forward to spring of 2019. Our Congressman held a meet and greet for the 9 appointees from our district. There were 3 to USAFA, 3 to USMA, and 3 to USNA. Of those, 1 was his principal to USMA AND 1 was his principal to USNA. The principal for USAFA dropped out for unknown reasons; not 3Q, chose a different school, or some other scenario. In any event, of the 9 candidates in our district that received appointments, only 2 were principal nominees. I believe that 2 of the others received LOAs as recruited athletes. That means that 5 of the 9 were not principal nominees, nor did they have LOAs. So the majority of the appointments issued went to candidates who were simply competitive nominees.

Moreover, some percentage of the 9 may have received multiple appointment offers, since most, if not all, of them had multiple nominations from the Congressman and may have also received nominations from other sources as well. I know that at least one of them, my DD, received appointment offers from USAFA, USMA, USNA, as well as one from USCGA. I don't know to what nomination source her appointments were charged, or the charged sources for the other 8 appointees in our district, although presumably the 2 principals were charged to the Congressman.

The point of all this, is that the central issue is not what nomination method the MOC uses, or whether the MOC has open slots available at one, or all, of the SAs. Based on a review of our district's appointment history in recent years, it is clear to me that our Congressman almost certainly did not have open slots for all of those appointments last year. So it really doesn't matter if you are one of 9 competitive candidates, or a principal nominee. If you are 3Q with a nom, and if the particular SA wants you, you will receive an appointment.

Control what is in your grasp and ignore everything else

I would be interested in the stats of these nominees ... without LOAs and with.

California must have a ton of really qualified applicants that didn’t get an appointment.

 

[NROTC93]

FutureAdademyDad, Thank you for the thorough explanation. Good news, my candidate ended up getting a third MOC nomination. He has a total of four nominations, both Senators, his Congressman and the Presidential. You are right, at this point now we wait for the Admissions Board to make their call.

Last year DD received competitive noms to USAFA and USNA from our Congressman, who uses the principal + 9 competitive system. She also received noms to USAFA, USMA, and USNA from Senator Harris in CA. We do not know which method the Senator used, but I do not believe that DD was a principal for any of the those nominations, although I suppose it is possible. She had an LOA to USCGA, but not to USAFA, USMA, or USNA, although she did receive an LOE from USMA.

Fast forward to spring of 2019. Our Congressman held a meet and greet for the 9 appointees from our district. There were 3 to USAFA, 3 to USMA, and 3 to USNA. Of those, 1 was his principal to USMA AND 1 was his principal to USNA. The principal for USAFA dropped out for unknown reasons; not 3Q, chose a different school, or some other scenario. In any event, of the 9 candidates in our district that received appointments, only 2 were principal nominees. I believe that 2 of the others received LOAs as recruited athletes. That means that 5 of the 9 were not principal nominees, nor did they have LOAs. So the majority of the appointments issued went to candidates who were simply competitive nominees.

Moreover, some percentage of the 9 may have received multiple appointment offers, since most, if not all, of them had multiple nominations from the Congressman and may have also received nominations from other sources as well. I know that at least one of them, my DD, received appointment offers from USAFA, USMA, USNA, as well as one from USCGA. I don't know to what nomination source her appointments were charged, or the charged sources for the other 8 appointees in our district, although presumably the 2 principals were charged to the Congressman.

The point of all this, is that the central issue is not what nomination method the MOC uses, or whether the MOC has open slots available at one, or all, of the SAs. Based on a review of our district's appointment history in recent years, it is clear to me that our Congressman almost certainly did not have open slots for all of those appointments last year. So it really doesn't matter if you are one of 9 competitive candidates, or a principal nominee. If you are 3Q with a nom, and if the particular SA wants you, you will receive an appointment.

Control what is in your grasp and ignore everything else