Parents Visiting Plebes/Mids - Adjustments & Independence

Capt MJ

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Bringing this up as a general topic for awareness and a transition conversation for family discussions as sons and daughters settle into independent USNA life and prepare to launch in a few years on their career, and parents do their own adjusting to family patterns.

Over the years we have sponsored mids and enjoyed long conversations and in the many DMs I have received from plebes/mids during my time here, something comes up with regularity, with variations on the below - this is all paraphrased in a combo of multiple midshipman confidences over the years.

“I love my parents and enjoy seeing them, but they come way too often and schedule the visits without consulting me. They book travel and hotels for long weekends, holidays, etc., months in advance, even years. I feel really pressured when they come, because I have a lot to do, and it creates stress when I am trying to juggle them too. I wish they would ask me. They say they intend to do this to “support” me all 4 years. I feel like I can’t talk to them about this; I don’t want to upset them, sometimes I just fake it. I feel like I can’t ever accept an invitation to go with my friends here on a long weekend or go home with them at Thanksgiving or go on a group spring break trip or even do a weekend ECA outing or MO. They want to it all to be exactly the same as it was in high school. I don’t know how to start this conversation, because they just assume, don’t tell me until a visit is booked and money paid. It’s like they haven’t adjusted to me being gone, and it’s going to change more when I graduate. I am trying not to be selfish and the self-absorbed stereotype for my age, because I love my parents and like to spend time with them. But I want more balance and give and take in the discussion, where I can say “That weekend isn’t good for me. I have plans with X to do Y at Z.” This time with friends is what makes the USNA suck bearable, and that is valuable to me too, just like family time is. I’m changing, and my parents can’t or won’t see it. I know this is hard for them.”

This is not written to start a testy discussion on parenting styles, but to elicit a discussion that might be helpful to others, especially any mids.

How would you like your son or daughter to bring this up to you, if they had these feelings, to have a respectful and loving discussion?

Anyone here had this discussion, in any form, about your mid and your visits? Any advice?

Anyone have that “aha” moment coming out of a gut feel and ask their kiddo, “hey, be honest with us, how often would you like to see us? Do you feel you can tell us you really want to do something else on a long weekend or holiday break?”

Any mids or grads have to initiate this discussion? Advice? What worked? What did not?



DH and I were talking over the weekend about how many confidences and we’re-not-your-parents-you-won’t-shock-us conversations we have had in our kitchen, in the laundry room at the dinner table lingering over ice cream, with the sponsor family. We have seen and heard all kinds of things, and dozens of our sponsor family have kids of their, some only a year away from applying for NASS.
 
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I took my son to CVW (and didn’t see him at all). I dropped him off for I day. I went to PPW. After that I only went when I was invited (company commander to see the parade he lead and graduation). Several planned visits were cancelled with covid.

I treated him at USNA like I treated his older sister at regular college. I am available whenever I am invited.

He texted and called me about the same that his sister did - to tell me good news about a success, to seek advice from the smartest person he knows (ok this didn’t happen), or to ask for money (ok this happened too often). ;)

Let them go. Let them grow.
 
I treated him at USNA like I treated his older sister at regular college. I am available whenever I am invited.
There's more work going on at an academy and more play going on elsewhere, but either way the schedule needs to remain in the kids' hands. Lots to work around and you want it to go as well as possible, so make it easier for them and they'll be better hosts.
 
What a beautiful post, @Capt MJ!

What works for us, is asking THEM what works. We have had availability in our own schedules to come out. But recognize that their availability is different. So we actually plan to do things, and let them know we are happy with a meal, or night on the town, or a quick coffee. Then do our own thing. If they want to join? That’s fine.

So we plan our own time. Knowing they may or may not want to hang with mom and dad. And we invite roomies/mates as well. It’s a bonus: we get good times and convos, with a peek into our guys lives from a different perspective, and they get a free meal/drinks with their buddies.

It’s worked well. We celebrate that they have other interests beside hanging with mom and dad. it’s a beautiful thing. And how it should be.

Have the convo. Let them know it’s normal and ok to have other plans/interests.
 
Have the convo. Let them know it’s normal and ok to have other plans/interests.
Critical point - if the parents open the conversational door in a no-wrong-answers-here way, that can help the mid articulate what they need and want. It’s hard for them to initiate on this topic. They do not want to hurt feelings or appear ungrateful.
 
Our son spent four years of high school as a boarder at a military academy. One of the reason(s) was to get him to be amongst his peers, learn and build lifelong friendship, to be independent and have the confidence to make informed decisions in life.

Those four years (probably) helped him secure a seat at USNA. Now he is a very grateful and happy camper.

During the four years, the one thing we did NOT do was to interfere or intrude in his activities. This is not to be misconstrued as neglect or lack of care. What we did was to drop him off at the military office, stepped out of the way and let the system do its work.

We continue to follow the same practice this plebe year and hopefully the rest of his stay at the academy.

What works for him, works for us. The next four years will be driven by him. He knows it and wants it that way. We prefer that way too. We never do anything without his prior approval as we only play a very limited role. He knows well how to articulate his needs.

He fully realizes that we are always there if needed... a phone call is all it takes for him to schedule a day and time well in advance to meet, fully knowing that we're not too far from the academy.
 
All this goes for ROTC as well. Just as we always asked DD, while at USNA, if there was a good time for us to come out and what she wanted to do while we visited, we do the same with DS, now in ROTC.

Aside from carrying an above-average course load and doing standard ROTC activities (which can include weekends), he’s also active in non-ROTC stuff. As well, he’s working to build relationships with mates in ROTC, in his major and in non-ROTC extracurriculars.

Don’t assume that ROTC cadets/mids are less busy than those at an SA. I’d argue that they’re at least as busy. So be sure to check with them also.
 
We didn't participate at all in our dude's "bridge" year at the local college as he navigated life with his NROTC unit. He had his car, he could drive down to see us whenever. We visited him twice, I think? Once to drop some paperwork off, and another so his littlest bro could see him and grab lunch.

Now, at the Academy, we leave it up to him. We always ask what he's doing for the weekend. Last year, as a Plebe, he needed us to shuttle him between places. And since he wanted to spend most of the weekends he took with his GF, we were just taxi drivers. When we did go down to the Yard, we asked what his plans were, and if he wanted us to swing by and get him lunch/dinner or something. We left the call up to him. (And, mainly, to let his littlest bro see him).

This year, he has access to his car, so we have yet to see him. He's already taken two weekends. One to hang solely with his GF, the other to go up to Philly to see Young Gravy in concert with some of his buddies, and then to hang with his GF after. :p

It's up to him when he wants to come hang out at home, or have us come down for food with him. We're just hoping at this point he'll want to do Thanksgiving with us!!

Caveat all this with ...... I think it is very different when you are local parents versus remote. If he had gotten into the USAFA, the only time we probably would have seen him would have been at breaks/leave periods. I just can't justify spending any of my meager income on flying the family out to hang for a weekend with one of my kids.
 
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I appreciate the thoughtful replies. Keep ‘em coming.
 
I saw my first mid almost every week during the school year. Usually at my house, after a week day match, or on the weekend. Mine did not have a sponsor to have long conversations with. They had me.

Now one of my kids has the exact same situation with their mid and they see their mid almost weekly. They as well have no sponsor.

I really feel for the parents who don’t live within an hour of the yard and live for those brief periods of time when they can spend time with DS or DD.

The SA students may have no idea how tough this 4-5 year journey is on the parents. Try giving up that weekend away with your best buds as you go to spend the weekend at college park having a blast.

Think of mom and dad :) There will be plenty of time with your best buds later.

I speak from first hand experience, the best buds in some form will always be around, one of your parents may not live to see you graduate. Treasure the time you do have.

Another way to look at it
 
Honestly, this is a time for all kids to grow into their adult self’s. Like @MidCakePa said. My two oldest children attended *regular* college. Same philosophy….it’s OK to have other plans. This is your time!! We get to get to reap the rewards of the growth of the roots we have planted. Enjoy them as people. VS managing them as children. It’s a relief as a parent!! And a whole ‘lotta fun.

But they may not understand the new dynamic. Letting them know, is key. And gives them permission to fly.
 
Not sure how it is with everyone else - but I saw my son every Thanksgiving, every Christmas, and every summer. Some summers were longer visits than others (covid and cancelled training) - I did get to spend a weekend in NYC with him for dinner and broadway when he was living there for a month and working at former Brooklyn naval base. I also spent a weekend when he played in a chess tournament in New Jersey.

There is no question I saw my son more than my daughter during college years and she was 45 minutes away. Just not many times in Annapolis.
 
My daughter is at USCGA, not USNA, but she *wants* to come home on Thanksgiving, Christmas, spring break, and summer. I have asked every year if she wants to spend any of her leave with other cadets or if she wants to bring any friends home with her. Her response is always that she has plenty of time to spend with her friends while she's at school and she wants to spend her breaks with family. But...this is just for those longer breaks. She doesn't come home on long weekends and we don't go up there, so she has plenty of weekends where she is out having fun with friends. We don't want to interfere in her study time or social time, and we definitely wouldn't plan a surprise visit. We go up to see her compete during her season, but we don't monopolize her weekends when we do. In fact, we don't usually stick around afterward at all.
 
My daughter is at USCGA, not USNA, but she *wants* to come home on Thanksgiving, Christmas, spring break, and summer. I have asked every year if she wants to spend any of her leave with other cadets or if she wants to bring any friends home with her. Her response is always that she has plenty of time to spend with her friends while she's at school and she wants to spend her breaks with family. But...this is just for those longer breaks. She doesn't come home on long weekends and we don't go up there, so she has plenty of weekends where she is out having fun with friends. We don't want to interfere in her study time or social time, and we definitely wouldn't plan a surprise visit. We go up to see her compete during her season, but we don't monopolize her weekends when we do. In fact, we don't usually stick around afterward at all.
But you have asked her, instead of assumed/scheduled, which is a great stage to have reached!
 
I had two Mids. One wanted us to come and he wanted to stay with us. Spend time with us. And he came home most every break.

Mid#2? Not so much. He has traveled, not come home, and I haven’t been out (already had my own personal fill from #1) other than ‘events’.

So it’s even different for siblings. Neither is right or wrong. The point, is let them drive. Guilt free.
 
@Capt MJ has it right again! We would never show up unless invited. We try to be clear that we would always be happy to get an invitation. We also have learned that even if invited, that doesn't mean the (entire) weekend will be spent with us. The invites can be few and far between (in our case). We consider this to be normal and good practice for what will occur after the academy. Looking back, neither DW nor I spent much time with our parents when we were at university. So, we never expected to be spending a lot of time with our kids once they left for "college." We are always happy to hear about our kids' adventures and their lives. But, once they are at a SA, while they remain our kids, they are not children. We do see (on FB) a lot of Mids having their parents visit pretty frequently. Occasionally, we envy them. Mostly, we wonder if it drives their kids crazy.

But, there is no right or wrong to any of this as long as the Mid is sufficiently in control and making decisions that work for him/her.
 
Lol My son also had a way to not invite me when he didn’t want me to come.

“Dad, I have this event coming up. Some parents go to it. You can if you want. You don’t have to.”

Also - the visiting home became shorter visits when he was 2C and 1C. He also managed to go to Philadelphia, New Orleans, Key West, Boca Raton to spend time with the midshipman friends who didn’t bring him into this world.
 
I saw my first mid almost every week during the school year. Usually at my house, after a week day match, or on the weekend. Mine did not have a sponsor to have long conversations with. They had me.

Now one of my kids has the exact same situation with their mid and they see their mid almost weekly. They as well have no sponsor.

I really feel for the parents who don’t live within an hour of the yard and live for those brief periods of time when they can spend time with DS or DD.

The SA students may have no idea how tough this 4-5 year journey is on the parents. Try giving up that weekend away with your best buds as you go to spend the weekend at college park having a blast.

Think of mom and dad :) There will be plenty of time with your best buds later.

I speak from first hand experience, the best buds in some form will always be around, one of your parents may not live to see you graduate. Treasure the time you do have.

Another way to look at it
I think there is a difference of spending time with Mom and Dad when they visit, but if that is every weekend, that is a different story. Coming to visit when asked or coordinating… ‘hey we would love to see you next month, is there a weekend that would work best?’ If Mom/Dad come every weekend, a new Plebe is losing out in building those bonds with their classmates. Those bonds are key. My room mates were engaged to grads 2 years ahead of us. Every chance they had they were on the phone with their fiancés and visiting them every weekend possible. Honestly, their bonds with our classmates were limited. You can even see it today, decades later. There is a balance to this all, it’s part of learning for both the Mid and the Parents.

And just to note I wish I could have seen my family more. As a basketball player we missed nearly every leave period. We would get 2-4 days at Christmas, that was it for the year. I was a West Coast kid, so my parents tried to come out once a year where we played 2-3 home games in a week. The few west coast trips, they always came. Summer leave was usually 2 weeks or so as we still had training, summer school, and summer camps to help with.
 
The winter athletes have it tough. When my son went to USNA - the biggest loss in my life was attending his hs games. That was pretty much my whole social life with two kids playing three sports.
 
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