Indeed I have never hidden my political views on the forum. I have lived outside the US for many years and I hated having to watch our country turn into a global laughing stock. That is not the point though, it is perfectly okay to like or dislike the President, it is okay to agree or not agree with the decision to wait to shoot down the balloon. The problem comes when you start to believe that any view other than your own is not just wrong but illegitimate, dishonest and pervades due to the machinations of some unseen ill intentioned power. Because then you need never self reflect, never consider evidence (because it is probably all fabricated anyway), never consider the possibility that you might in fact be the sheep.
Pentagon tracking suspected Chinese spy balloon over the US
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Indeed I have never hidden my political views on the forum. I have lived outside the US for many years and I hated having to watch our country turn into a global laughing stock. That is not the point though, it is perfectly okay to like or dislike the President, it is okay to agree or not agree with the decision to wait to shoot down the balloon. The problem comes when you start to believe that any view other than your own is not just wrong but illegitimate, dishonest and pervades due to the machinations of some unseen ill intentioned power. Because then you need never self reflect, never consider evidence (because it is probably all fabricated anyway), never consider the possibility that you might in fact be the sheep.
Assume much? You are projecting. Have a nice day.
I’d rather any enemy think our defense systems are inept and underestimate us. Even if it means that DOD etc. are less than truthful or transparent. More concerned that our universities are too open and eager for money from international students - compromising our scientific advances. Than any balloon.
I absolutely do not. If it were true he would be out of a job, one would hope.
Everyone, especially members of Congress are attracted to the the bright shiny object. They will turn the issue into a GOP v. Dem, FPOTUS v. POTUS p*****g match.
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If that general is lying about us not knowing before that the balloons had been over US territory spying previously?
Cover for our secret technology? Cover for those that did know and did not tell the admin?
Why else would they claim so quickly to be incompetent?
.https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-top-general-secretly-called-china-twice-trump-term-ended-report-2021-09-14/
The link claims a call from the Pentagon to the Chinese military claiming fear that a US China war might be attempted to be kicked off around the US presidential election.
Maybe we knew and refused to tell?
Cover for our secret technology? Cover for those that did know and did not tell the admin?
Why else would they claim so quickly to be incompetent?
.https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-top-general-secretly-called-china-twice-trump-term-ended-report-2021-09-14/
The link claims a call from the Pentagon to the Chinese military claiming fear that a US China war might be attempted to be kicked off around the US presidential election.
Maybe we knew and refused to tell?
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Did Defense Secretary Mattis KNOW Chinese spy balloons flew over US?
Rep. Mike Waltz floated the idea on Monday that the Pentagon was aware of Chinese balloons drifting across the country during Donald Trump's time in office but did not tell the White House.
True or not this article suggests that the DoD did know about previous balloons but did not risk telling trump. A matter of National security.
Quoting British tabloids rife with what even they admit is pure speculation? Do better.Did Defense Secretary Mattis KNOW Chinese spy balloons flew over US?
Rep. Mike Waltz floated the idea on Monday that the Pentagon was aware of Chinese balloons drifting across the country during Donald Trump's time in office but did not tell the White House.www.dailymail.co.uk
True or not this article suggests that the DoD did know about previous balloons but did not risk telling trump. A matter of National security.
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Actually that article was quoting GOP rep Mike Waltz who floated the idea that the US military knew about these incursions but declined to tell the potus because they could not trust the potus reactions as far as staring a war with China and oh so close to the US election.
It’s been well documented that the US military was in contact with China military over fears about what trump might do as the election approached.
That would at least explain why a senior US general would now claim incompetence on the part of his agency rather than saying——we knew but could not trust the president so we figured he did not need to know.
That explains why MTG and Trump etc claim to know nothing about this. Despite it happening on his watch.
Interesting if true
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Please stop putting a period "." at the beginning of your links.
Ah yes, Mike Waltz, the Never Trumper. Another objective source. So he is accusing military leadership of intentionally hiding a foreign incursion into US air space from the CIC. I’m not sure if it’s worse if that is true, or that the military had no idea it occurred as it happened.
They are either incompetent or they should be courtmartialed.
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I've gotten some feedback on the writing found on the balloon. It said -
Eric
Happy Valentins's Day
Love
Feng Feng
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Lots of speculation on this thread. I'm sure those who actually know are either laughing quietly or groaning in frustration. Exact US capabilities or deficiencies, or what we know about the balloon payload are... unlikely...to be shared with the public.
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A while ago when this balloon stuff broke it was you with shame and embarrassment. Now it’s me.
If I had know that GOP Mike Waltz, a VMI grad, a green hat, a combat vet , was actually a Never Trumper I would have never quoted him. Now I am so shamed and embarrassed. What a mistake on my part
But based on their comments neither MT Green or Trump him self seem to know a darn thing about these balloons.
And maybe that is what was best for all
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The US military was in touch with China military worried about a Wag the Dog War with China right before the US election. This has been well documented .
The senior US military might have thought that Trump was far to much a risk to our national security to mention there were a few balloons in the area? Especially during an election period.
That is one of the few takes that makes sense as far as these balloons and who knew what when and how the potus
( and MTG) Seem to have no clue as to what happened.
But the new admin seems to have been briefed and knew all about them.
Personally I am happy there was no war or combat , Wag the Dog or not , with China in 2019.
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U.S. briefed 40 nations on China spy balloon incident, diplomats and official say
China has said it was a weather balloon that had blown off course into U.S. airspace and accused the United States of over-reacting.
The suggestion that trump was going to start a war with China for political gain is total nonsense. You seem not to have an issue with the military being de facto in control of this nation instead of the elected CiC when it’s someone whose politics you don’t like. I wonder if you would feel the same way about the current CIC being deemed not fit (what s stretch) and bypassed by the military?
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Wow…
I’m glad the military under Regan didn’t pull that crap when he was proposing Star Wars.
I read a post earlier on a different thread where a very long term member discribed her posting process and how she carefully reviews each post to make sure it’s helpful, clear, does not come across as insulting to anyone, takes into account the flatness of written communication and how easily things can be misinterpreted. Overall I think the larger point was to make sure it was helpful and consistent with goals of the forum. I think it’s great advise and going forward I’m going to try do the same to the degree I’m able.
That said I don’t believe this conversation adds any value to what I believe is at least one of the main goals of this forum; to help those who seek to serve navigate the way through their desired commissioning paths.
I came to this site a few years ago with the hope it would help me help my son achieve his goal of attending a service academy. I have no military experience and had no knowledge of Service Academy’s or ROTC. I now have one son at a SA and another who recently received an appointment. In spite of my profound ignorance on the subject because of this site I was able to help them in that pursuit.
While Im passionate about this topic and I’m tempted to engage fully I don’t want to promote anything that doesn’t at least attempt to help those who are seeking similar goals. I’m confident that this conversation does nothing to that end.
And for the record I’m as responsible as anyone else for path this thread has taken.
It’s a great conversation and I really want to dive in deep and solve the problems of the world ( for those who are extremely literal, that was meant in jest ), just not here.
I’m glad the military under Regan didn’t pull that crap when he was proposing Star Wars.
I read a post earlier on a different thread where a very long term member discribed her posting process and how she carefully reviews each post to make sure it’s helpful, clear, does not come across as insulting to anyone, takes into account the flatness of written communication and how easily things can be misinterpreted. Overall I think the larger point was to make sure it was helpful and consistent with goals of the forum. I think it’s great advise and going forward I’m going to try do the same to the degree I’m able.
That said I don’t believe this conversation adds any value to what I believe is at least one of the main goals of this forum; to help those who seek to serve navigate the way through their desired commissioning paths.
I came to this site a few years ago with the hope it would help me help my son achieve his goal of attending a service academy. I have no military experience and had no knowledge of Service Academy’s or ROTC. I now have one son at a SA and another who recently received an appointment. In spite of my profound ignorance on the subject because of this site I was able to help them in that pursuit.
While Im passionate about this topic and I’m tempted to engage fully I don’t want to promote anything that doesn’t at least attempt to help those who are seeking similar goals. I’m confident that this conversation does nothing to that end.
And for the record I’m as responsible as anyone else for path this thread has taken.
It’s a great conversation and I really want to dive in deep and solve the problems of the world ( for those who are extremely literal, that was meant in jest ), just not here.