phase 1 SS cadre

Do you know the date for the Mystic Flag ceremony? And will all the companies be there?
 
Is there a schedule out for day one? I thought I saw it somewhere on the forum but Im having difficulty finding it.
 
My DD attended AIM. During AIM, they underwent a 'punishment' in which they went into a room and held a water bottle out in front of them while the cadre yelled and the platoon yelled the same phrase repeatedly. A few people fainted. The echoing of voices in the small space made my daughter have a panic attack, and she was escorted out of the training environment by the cadre. She returned to her platoon after a few hours.

Her biggest concern right now is that this will happen repeatedly in Swab summer. The problem was the amplification of noise in the small space. Is this a normal 'punishment'?
 
Professor T said:
My DD attended AIM. During AIM, they underwent a 'punishment' in which they went into a room and held a water bottle out in front of them while the cadre yelled and the platoon yelled the same phrase repeatedly. A few people fainted. The echoing of voices in the small space made my daughter have a panic attack, and she was escorted out of the training environment by the cadre. She returned to her platoon after a few hours.

Her biggest concern right now is that this will happen repeatedly in Swab summer. The problem was the amplification of noise in the small space. Is this a normal 'punishment'?
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Out of curiosity, I asked my daughter who was in week 3 Echo last summer. Her platoon did that as well. No one in her particular platoon fainted, but sounding off in “thinking position” indoors, outdoors, etc., was a very common occurrence all week.

I can’t say for sure, but my assumption is that will also be very common during swab summer.
 
Hope2BeA27BearDad said:
Out of curiosity, I asked my daughter who was in week 3 Echo last summer. Her platoon did that as well. No one in her particular platoon fainted, but sounding off in “thinking position” indoors, outdoors, etc., was a very common occurrence all week.

I can’t say for sure, but my assumption is that will also be very common during swab summer.
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this will most definitely happen, and far worse than over AIM. it is one of the favorite punishments. all of the cadre will be doing the static hold with the swabs.
 
Professor T said:
My DD attended AIM. During AIM, they underwent a 'punishment' in which they went into a room and held a water bottle out in front of them while the cadre yelled and the platoon yelled the same phrase repeatedly. A few people fainted. The echoing of voices in the small space made my daughter have a panic attack, and she was escorted out of the training environment by the cadre. She returned to her platoon after a few hours.

Her biggest concern right now is that this will happen repeatedly in Swab summer. The problem was the amplification of noise in the small space. Is this a normal 'punishment'?
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she should prepare for high stress all hours of the day. yelling is the norm for all military basic trainings, and has clear training purposes. additionally, AIM is simply an introduction.
 
Thank you all for your responses. She (we) definitely have watched all the videos and she does know a lot of what to expect at Swab summer. She knows yelling is the norm. The element of yelling in a small space is the part she is most worried about.

On a side note, I had thought one of the lessons learned during COVID was that less yelling meant greater retention during SWAB summer --- and I thought I had read CGA had adopted that approach moving forward.
 
Hope2BeA27BearDad said:
Out of curiosity, I asked my daughter who was in week 3 Echo last summer. Her platoon did that as well. No one in her particular platoon fainted, but sounding off in “thinking position” indoors, outdoors, etc., was a very common occurrence all week.

I can’t say for sure, but my assumption is that will also be very common during swab summer.
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Week 2 Echo here. I believe our platoon had it the worst.
 
Professor T said:
Thank you all for your responses. She (we) definitely have watched all the videos and she does know a lot of what to expect at Swab summer. She knows yelling is the norm. The element of yelling in a small space is the part she is most worried about.

On a side note, I had thought one of the lessons learned during COVID was that less yelling meant greater retention during SWAB summer --- and I thought I had read CGA had adopted that approach moving forward.
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Operations are back to pre-Covid norms. More yelling/sounding-off. I was a cadre last summer and can tell you that it is intense from both the swab and cadre perspective.
 
Professor T said:
Thank you all for your responses. She (we) definitely have watched all the videos and she does know a lot of what to expect at Swab summer. She knows yelling is the norm. The element of yelling in a small space is the part she is most worried about.

On a side note, I had thought one of the lessons learned during COVID was that less yelling meant greater retention during SWAB summer --- and I thought I had read CGA had adopted that approach moving forward.
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Imagine 5 years from now your daughter is an ensign on a fast response cutter and the poop hits the fan. There will be lots of yelling - and it will be in a small space. Now imagine 6 years from now and she has her boarding officer certification and boards a drug running boat and the poop REALLY hits the fan. There will be lots of yelling, maybe even some gunfire, and it will be in a confined space. There will be no opportunity for her to ask for a break, or for the people to stop yelling, and if she can’t handle herself in that kind of environment without having a panic attack, she places herself and the other crew members at risk of harm. If she can’t handle some yelling, perhaps the military life isn’t for her.
 
Korab said:
Imagine 5 years from now your daughter is an ensign on a fast response cutter and the poop hits the fan. There will be lots of yelling - and it will be in a small space. Now imagine 6 years from now and she has her boarding officer certification and boards a drug running boat and the poop REALLY hits the fan. There will be lots of yelling, maybe even some gunfire, and it will be in a confined space. There will be no opportunity for her to ask for a break, or for the people to stop yelling, and if she can’t handle herself in that kind of environment without having a panic attack, she places herself and the other crew members at risk of harm. If she can’t handle some yelling, perhaps the military life isn’t for her.
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Well said. If the AIM intro was too much, perhaps this isn't the right path for her. To answer the initial question, I would absolutely have her expect yelling in small spaces during Swab Summer. Yelling from the Cadre and yelling from the Swabs. Anywhere and everywhere. All.summer.long.
 
Professor T said:
Thank you all for your responses. She (we) definitely have watched all the videos and she does know a lot of what to expect at Swab summer. She knows yelling is the norm. The element of yelling in a small space is the part she is most worried about.

On a side note, I had thought one of the lessons learned during COVID was that less yelling meant greater retention during SWAB summer --- and I thought I had read CGA had adopted that approach moving forward.
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This occurs daily during Swab Summer and there is a major training purpose behind it. If your daughter does not have a way to cope and prevent future panic attacks, there is a good chance she will wash out or be medically disqualified if they prevent her from completing her training. While CGA is an academic institution that allows its cadets to continue their sports, commissioning officers is their primary objective. CGA is the primary commissioning source for officers in the Coast Guard and a career in the Coast Guard imposes quite a few stressors as mentioned earlier. While Swab Summer retention is important, it is just as important to ensure that everyone in the new class is properly trained to handle such situations as a future officer. In addition, the first COVID class (2024) has yet to make it to graduation so my guess is that CGA is waiting on 2024 to graduate before making any decisions regarding Swab Summer. I also believe overall retention is much more important than Swab Summer retention, so this may be the determining factor. Make sure your daughter makes the right decision for herself while she has all of options on the table and within reach. It’s much harder if she (or the Academy) decides CGA is not for her. Although tempting, the most competitive option as far as schools go is not always the best option. If she truly wants to commit to CGA, prioritize finding coping strategies so she can succeed rather than take chances that it may not happen this time. Swab Summer is extremely stressful and unpredictable, so make sure she is prepared!
 
Professor T said:
Thank you all for your responses. She (we) definitely have watched all the videos and she does know a lot of what to expect at Swab summer. She knows yelling is the norm. The element of yelling in a small space is the part she is most worried about.

On a side note, I had thought one of the lessons learned during COVID was that less yelling meant greater retention during SWAB summer --- and I thought I had read CGA had adopted that approach moving forward.
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High swab summer retention. Worst retention in recent history during school year.
 
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