Reapplying to USNA (after a turndown)

This spring you should:
-finish the semester with A's and A-'s
-take the ACT and SAT as many times as possible, aiming to hit 750/35 on math

This summer you should:
-get a job
-volunteer on your days off
-get in great shape for the CFA

This fall you should:
-Take >17 credits with the most plebe-like schedule possible, emphasis on Chem/Calc/English
-Improve on the CFA in every single event
-be the top ranked freshman cadet at your ROTC batallion
-Join clubs or a sports team, seek leadership positions
-End the semester with a 4.0
-Write an essay that demonstrates maturty, growth, and ability to thrive, not survive, at USNA

I was successful at accomplishing most of what I just described above. It was enough to get me in on my 2nd try, although I'm from a realtively non-competitive part of MA.
Great advice.

I would only add one thing. I know it can be difficult for college freshmen to get leadership positions, but this can be done with things like being a counselor / volunteer at Boys State this summer, being an adult leader at Sea Cadets, volunteering at Boys and Girls Club, etc.
 
I received a TD from USNA a couple of days ago. I'm going to reapply but I had a question on if I should participate in ROTC. I’m going to be playing a NCAA D1 sport at the 4-year college I’m attending in the fall so it might not be worth it to try to do AFROTC (they don’t have NROTC), a varsity sport, and keep on top of my plebe-like academic schedule. I know no one has a 100% certain answer on what I should do, but any advice would be appreciated. What would you do in my situation? Also, does it matter what my major is as long as I am taking Calc, Chem, Eng, etc…? Right now I’m listed as a Psych major, but I will still be able to take those plebe-like classes. Not sure if it matters or if I should change my major. Thanks!
 
My DS’s best Marine Option ROTC buddy is on the D1 wrestling team as well as NROTC. He doesn’t have to do morning PT. His daily D1 workouts count towards his PT time. He still has to take all the fitness tests like the PRT etc. though. And he’s involved in all of the other activities they do when he can.
 
I'm going to reapply but I had a question on if I should participate in ROTC. I’m going to be playing a NCAA D1 sport at the 4-year college
There is no one size fits all answer,.... Participating in ROTC demonstrates commitment to serving as a Officer ....It can also give you an alternate nomination source (for USAFA, not Navy). That said, participation in D1 athletics takes time , and will be hard to commit the time necessary to do both (and academics well). I would say pick the one that means the most to you, do it well and show strong academic performance. (Major really shouldn't matter ...I know a lot of schools ask you to pick a major going in, but realistically many people change once they get to school).
 
Concur with OldNavyBGO…remember that many reapplicants don’t necessarily have the opportunity to compete in D1, so that is a door open for you. Do not feel you need to do both D1 and ROTC. Admissions knows the time commitment and value of sports (specifically D1)…so coupling that would strong academics will make you a competitive candidate.
 
Will the USNA ask for my highschool transcript when I reapply? I know I have to do the SAT again but idk about transcript.
 
I received a TD from USNA a couple of days ago. I'm going to reapply but I had a question on if I should participate in ROTC. I’m going to be playing a NCAA D1 sport at the 4-year college I’m attending in the fall so it might not be worth it to try to do AFROTC (they don’t have NROTC), a varsity sport, and keep on top of my plebe-like academic schedule. I know no one has a 100% certain answer on what I should do, but any advice would be appreciated. What would you do in my situation? Also, does it matter what my major is as long as I am taking Calc, Chem, Eng, etc…? Right now I’m listed as a Psych major, but I will still be able to take those plebe-like classes. Not sure if it matters or if I should change my major. Thanks!

I received a TD from USNA a couple of days ago. I'm going to reapply but I had a question on if I should participate in ROTC. I’m going to be playing a NCAA D1 sport at the 4-year college I’m attending in the fall so it might not be worth it to try to do AFROTC (they don’t have NROTC), a varsity sport, and keep on top of my plebe-like academic schedule. I know no one has a 100% certain answer on what I should do, but any advice would be appreciated. What would you do in my situation? Also, does it matter what my major is as long as I am taking Calc, Chem, Eng, etc…? Right now I’m listed as a Psych major, but I will still be able to take those plebe-like classes. Not sure if it matters or if I should change my major. Thanks!
Have you considered an appointment to the US Merchant Marine Academy at Kings Point. Its a smaller academy like the Coast Guard Academy. It graduates professional mariners and focuses on training shipboard officers with emphasis on seamanship, navigation, shiphandling and shipboard engineering systems. Part of the curriculum for the KP Midshipmen is a year spent at sea training under senior officers in real world conditions. You graduate with a Bachelor of Science, a 3rd mates or 3rd Engineers license and a commission as Ensign USNR. You have the choice to sail professionally with your license, work ashore in the maritime industry, grad school or activate your commission. About 1/4-1/3 of the class chooses to activate their commission and are usually accomodated the billets they choose. Aviation billets normally go unfilled since most grads decide to sail professionally in the Merchant Marine. And why not? The starting salary for a 3rd mate/3rd Engineer is $120k-$160k for 6 months at sea. Thats some crazy money for a 21-22 year old.
 
I received a TD from USNA a couple of days ago. I'm going to reapply but I had a question on if I should participate in ROTC. I’m going to be playing a NCAA D1 sport at the 4-year college I’m attending in the fall so it might not be worth it to try to do AFROTC (they don’t have NROTC), a varsity sport, and keep on top of my plebe-like academic schedule. I know no one has a 100% certain answer on what I should do, but any advice would be appreciated. What would you do in my situation? Also, does it matter what my major is as long as I am taking Calc, Chem, Eng, etc…? Right now I’m listed as a Psych major, but I will still be able to take those plebe-like classes. Not sure if it matters or if I should change my major. Thanks!
You sound super-motivated and I trust you will do great things at your chosen university. I am the parent of usna graduates and also have a daughter who is a junior with an army nursing rotc scholarship and playing a DIII sport. She is constantly balancing and managing expectations of coaches and unit leadership who might not fully understand the intense obligations of each endeavor. Her ROTC activities are mostly at a neighboring university and the two worlds of ROTC and team never meet. Her coach has been most accommodating but our daughter has really had to ensure she communicates with everyone, has a very good handle on her calendar, and finds solutions to either deconflict or mitigate the consequences of conflicts. She is highly regarded by both her team and her unit, and I would say that her team/coach has had to bend and do without her more than her ROTC unit. Another poster noted that team practice counts in lieu of ROTC morning workouts - I would surmise that is great but a fairly small issue. The real challenge here is in determining where to place her attention, energy, and time at every moment through the day and how to prioritize her responsibilities. I jokingly say that this experience is very similar to an academy experience with rigorous academics, physical fitness, and military training - but at an academy everyone is in the same boat and understands. For kids like you and my daughter, there are not a lot of peers who are committed to academics, sports, and ROTC in the same way, so it is hard and lonely in that others just don't understand your experience. And it is possible that teammates and ROTC comrades will also not understand and could even resent your absences. For our daughter, she is doing what she loves and is thriving, but the choice to play a sport and do ROTC is challenging.
 
You sound super-motivated and I trust you will do great things at your chosen university. I am the parent of usna graduates and a current plebe (also an athlete) and also have a daughter who is a junior with an army nursing rotc scholarship and playing a DIII sport. She is constantly balancing and managing expectations of coaches and unit leadership who might not fully understand the intense obligations of each endeavor. Her ROTC activities are mostly at a neighboring university and the two worlds of ROTC and team never meet. Her coach has been most accommodating but our daughter has really had to ensure she communicates with everyone, has a very good handle on her calendar, and finds solutions to either deconflict or mitigate the consequences of conflicts. She is highly regarded by both her team and her unit, and I would say that her team/coach has had to bend and do without her more than her ROTC unit. Another poster noted that team practice counts in lieu of ROTC morning workouts - I would surmise that is great but a fairly small issue. The real challenge here is in determining where to place her attention, energy, and time at every moment through the day and how to prioritize her responsibilities. I jokingly say that this experience is very similar to an academy experience with rigorous academics, physical fitness, and military training - but at an academy everyone is in the same boat and understands. For kids like you and my daughter, there are not a lot of peers who are committed to academics, sports, and ROTC in the same way, so it is hard and lonely in that others just don't understand your experience. And it is possible that teammates and ROTC comrades will also not understand and could even resent your absences. For our daughter, she is doing what she loves and is thriving, but the choice to play a sport and do ROTC is challenging.
All this said, I think these endeavors are so worthwhile, and would imagine your application will be even stronger if you can demonstrate that you can manage academics, a sport, and ROTC simultaneously and successfully. You will be surrounded by motivated and inspiring people, you won't be wasting time, and you will challenge yourself and develop critical life skills. I do not want to deter you but give you a realistic impression of my own child's experience. WIshing you all the best!
 
Just talked emailed my USNA Counsler and they said to take similar courses as that of a plebe during my time in college. What courses would that be? I know of Calculus but is there anything else? I am going to study Aerospace Engineering if that helps
 
If you are an engineering major your classes your freshman year should be very similar to plebe courses. For Virginia Tech at least, the first year you take Calc, Physics, Chem, and a writing class. I'm sure other schools are the same just look on the 4 year roadmap to be sure.
 
Chem I and II, English, Calculus I and II, some sort of Government/History. If you have access to NROTC stuff, some sort of "Naval Science" class, which can be taken without being in an NROTC unit.
 
Just talked emailed my USNA Counsler and they said to take similar courses as that of a plebe during my time in college. What courses would that be? I know of Calculus but is there anything else? I am going to study Aerospace Engineering if that helps

As always, usna.edu is a good place for primary source research:

You can also research usna.edu for typical plebe courses and descriptions.
 
Would also be interesting in learning from anyone who is intimate with the key differences between NROTC and SSMP. Mass Maritime offers SSMP, but not NROTC. If the goal is to be at Mass MA for only one year and get into USNA the following, would the differences matter?
 
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