Return for the Class of 2023...?

First time varsity athletes would be in residence at St. John’s, if it comes to pass. 😂

And, wait for it, you know there will be a t-shirt with:
St. JohN*s
Capt MJ, brilliant! St. JohN*s needs to be trademarked. I can see it now, intramural croquet mandatory for all the MIds in solidarity with St. JohN*s. The logo would be stunning on the mallets. After a noble match of croquet, classical literature and the other great books on the meaning of life could be discussed by Mids under the shade of the beautiful trees that adorn the St. JohN’s campus. This exercise in contemplative thought would surely contribute to the liberal education of our future leaders. As an aside, intramural croquet might help make the annual spring match with St. JohN*s more competitive, given the wider pool of skilled Navy players. Go St. JohN*s!

For those interested or curious check out the St. JohN*s campus at https://www.sjc.edu/annapolis/campus-life
 
Capt MJ, brilliant! St. JohN*s needs to be trademarked. I can see it now, intramural croquet mandatory for all the MIds in solidarity with St. JohN*s. The logo would be stunning on the mallets. After a noble match of croquet, classical literature and the other great books on the meaning of life could be discussed by Mids under the shade of the beautiful trees that adorn the St. JohN’s campus. This exercise in contemplative thought would surely contribute to the liberal education of our future leaders. As an aside, intramural croquet might help make the annual spring match with St. JohN*s more competitive, given the wider pool of skilled Navy players. Go St. JohN*s!

For those interested or curious check out the St. JohN*s campus at https://www.sjc.edu/annapolis/campus-life
Croquet probably wouldn't be a good choice given the history of that annual event.
 
It will be interesting to see how this works if they do it. Seems to me that it would be better to house a whole Battalion together, rather than separating '23 from the Brigade. That keeps the leadership structure intact (and a deterrent against unauthorized town liberty).

I've got a brilliant idea -- let's collect our ideas on this Forum, then we can send a letter to Supe and 'Dant and tell them how to make it happen ...... well, maybe not a good idea ! ;)

PS -- I'm not picking on the '23 parents, I am sure the Supe and 'Dant get letters from DOGS (disgruntled old grads) with unsolicited advise about how things used to be all the time.
 
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Got to have proxy company CO-JOs guarding alongside the ‘23s in the satellite motel. Maybe 4 companies per JO.
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I wonder if they would use those dorms specifically for the 2-3 week isolation/quarantine area if/when mids are exposed. That way they dont have to worry about daily trips back and forth and keeps the potentially sick more separated.
 
I wonder if they would use those dorms specifically for the 2-3 week isolation/quarantine area if/when mids are exposed. That way they dont have to worry about daily trips back and forth and keeps the potentially sick more separated.

Brilliant. Use it as the quarantine center. If you are negative for 14 days, you can go enjoy your home.

If you are sick - you can leave when you are no risk. And do online academics.
 
I hope it’s great wake up for those parents. This is the military after all. Then again, there are parents who write the Supt every year about when their DS is getting their winter coat because they don’t want them cold.
Stop it! That really can't be true...although after all the whining on FB maybe it can be true??
 
Stop it! That really can't be true...although after all the whining on FB maybe it can be true??
Ask anyone from the Supe on down to the company senior enlisted leader about calls and emails from parents. This does not surprise me. It used to take time to sit down and write a real letter, find the right address and send it, and sometimes that provided a cooling-off period.

The advent of email, websites with “Contact Us,” social websites, a dissolution of boundaries and the trend of over-involved and time-extended-into-adulthood parenting style of SOME parents plus SOME young people who have been raised to discuss every little issue/problem/frustration with parents as the go-to fix-it team, has led to a toxic little brew of “failure to launch” adjustment situations. As I am fond of saying, ”It’s not necessarily wrong, just different.”

As a BattO, I had calls/emails:
- The West Point grad dad who screamed at me because his son was not going forward to Brigade-level midshipman officer staff interviews. He also called me a filthy name related to me being female, and it didn’t rhyme with “witch.” [No, I didn’t report. No witnesses. Some battles you walk away from.] His son had not authorized release of his personal information to his parents, but he had privately shared with me one of his main motivations for going Navy was to get away from his parents’ service, and that he wanted to stay in company and do deck plate leadership as a Company CO. He went on to do very well in the Navy.
- Too-many-to-count calls and emails about why their mid said I wasn’t allowing them to come home for name-the-holiday but overlooked informing them about the misconduct hearing that led to the restricted status.
- Too-many-to-count calls and emails about roommate squabbles, room temperature, laundry, blisters, running when it was raining, someone yelling at their mid, why they found birth control pills from the Navy pharmacy in their daughter’s belongings while she was home on leave, having to strip and wax a deck and do other manual cleaning chores, about food - endless in variety and number.
- And some truly saddening ones - why was the Battalion Chaplain from a non-Christian faith group counseling my son and could I prevent his exposure to non-Christian chaplains, could I remove a roommate of color from a room simply because of race issues. One father was concerned having a female company officer and female BattO would not give his son the masculine role models he expected. One mother was upset I hammered her mid for having racist jokes on his computer and sharing them over govt systems, because “he only shares them with his white friends.” There are more in that category, game face required when listening to them. Sadly, reports from my contacts over the years say these types of incidents are still out there. For better or worse, Midshipmen reflect the values of the family and society in which they were raised.

It has only gotten worse since my time on the staff.

Happily, there are many parents who launch their new mids, and then bite their tongues, hold down their typing fingers, and let their young adult soar, flop, fail, succeed, struggle, figure it out, recover, succeed again, grow. That is the best gift they can give, to allow their fledglings to fly in the relatively safe environment of USNA.
 
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Happily, there are many parents who launch their new mids, and then bite their tongues, hold down their typing fingers, and let their young adult soar, flop, fail, succeed, struggle, figure it out, recover, succeed again, grow. That is the best gift they can give, to allow their fledglings to fly in the relatively safe environment of USNA.
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For me, it took one email, and one email response, to figure out how it works in the Military. Last year at NAPS, after our daughter had returned to Newport RI from Spring Break, I got a text from my daughter saying she had missed an Online quiz in her Calculus class. They were all Locked in place in Ripley Hall because of Covid, and all instruction including quizzes were virtual. Tests were proctored in the class rooms, however.

Well, she was so distraught, that she asked me if I would email her math teacher explaining the situation — really busy, lost tract of time, blah, blah, blah. Our daughter knew what the protocol was, and following chain of command. I was “La-Dee-Da” and none of this occurred to me when I was there to try and explain the situation on my daughters behalf.

Anyway, I received the “Good afternoon Sir” greeting, you know what the body of of response is, and the closing, “Have a pleasant day”. That is the one-and-only Email I will ever send on her behalf. Btw, her Professor allowed her the opportunity to take the quiz. She knows she has to take ownership, and sleep on it over night to temper any anxiety if need be.

Also, if your pre-K kid hasn’t sat in a creek and played on a blisteringly cold winters day, then you didn’t raise your kid right.
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Granted times are different. Looking back on it, not having a cell phone or the internet, was heaven. Mids were pretty much left on their own to figure things out. Our family was the Navy and parents very rarely were involved.

The insertion of some parents into every facet of their plebe’s life, I believe, hinders the ability to fully develop important emotional and psychological resilience. It is this very resilience Mids need to fully participate in this funny thing we call “life”.

Plebes that started in July will be in the Fleet four years from now, the Class of 2021 next year. All the stakes will go up once they are commissioned. Their resilience or lack of will manifest it self in their chosen field. They will pretty much be on their own and parents won’t be able to inject themselves into the Navy equation.

What’s going to happen when the new ensign flunks his/her first SWO board? Or the new 2LT receives his/her first “down” in flight training? It will be the emotional resilience of the young adult that will allow him or her to bounce back.

Does the parent plan on calling SERE school during the evasion phase to make sure their child has two coats in the winter time in Maine? Young adults must be responsible for themselves.

As a parent, would you really email the Commanding Officer of a warship to make sure Johnny takes his Dramamine because he used to get sea sick on the lake? I know its hyperbole but some actions taken by parents detract from their Mid developing full resilience. Their entry into adulthood therefore becomes stunted.

Life at Canoe U can be hard. Some Mids, I imagine, are prone to complaining about slights and their hardships. Parents listen to them intently, then ask them what they plan to do about it. You will be doing them a big favor in helping them develop resilience and accountability. I know parents love their children. I get it. But please, parents, put away that 3000-mile screwdriver (distance from West Coast to Annapolis) or the XXX-mile screwdriver and resist the urge to fix and tweak everything for your Midshipman. Let your Mid develop a big reservoir of resilience. You’ve done a good job raising child. Now let the U.S. Navy do its job.

Stay well and as they say in Italy: "Buona Fortuna"! (Good Luck)
 


In my lengthy post above (I was on a speed run down Memory Lane) when I mentioned “West Point dad grad.” That was simply a fact, not trying to cast an aspersion on that particular SA. I am sure many a USNA mom/dad grad has called the other SAs about their cadet.
 
The insertion of some parents into every facet of their plebe’s life, I believe, hinders the ability to fully develop important emotional and psychological resilience. It is this very resilience Mids need to fully participate in this funny thing we call “life”.

I suspect many parents are more like me.

I want him back in Annapolis. He eats like a horse! But I will tolerate him until they can figure it out.
 
I suspect many parents are more like me.

I want him back in Annapolis. He eats like a horse! But I will tolerate him until they can figure it out.
Enjoy him while you can, now and each time he gets leave, even if he does eat like a horse. Before you know it he'll be tossing his hat in air. Your home dynamics will change and his visits home will be far too few. Cheers, WT.
 
Enjoy him while you can, now and each time he gets leave, even if he does eat like a horse. Before you know it he'll be tossing his hat in air. Your home dynamics will change and his visits home will be far too few. Cheers, WT.

LOL I know. Both my kids were everything to me. This is all bonus time.

Luckily I have my goldendoodle to replace them.
 
SOME young people who have been raised to discuss every little issue/problem/frustration with parents as the go-to fix-it team,

> Great stories CAPT MJ -- I've always thought there should be a book of USNA Sea stories. There used to be a unofficial log in Main Office where the Midshipman on watch would write down some of the things they observed, usually about vistors or actions of the OOW, it was often hilarious !

Good point on kids bringing every problem to Mom and Dad -- we still get the occasional call from DD in grad school, upset about some little thing. (Those calls almost always go to Mom, Dad's not very sympathetic and if the problem is trivial may result in an a$$ chewing, because DD projects her problems on us and it gets DW upset . Might be a difference betweens sons and daughters, but I rarely told my parents about the trials and tribulations in life,


I want him back in Annapolis. He eats like a horse! But I will tolerate him until they can figure it out.

> We brought grad school daughter home during the first months , but I think both we and she were happy to take her back to school mid-June.


Now back on topic -- I heard the Supe state that he was going to get all the Midshipman back this fall. No details or mention of the St John's angle, but he was pretty clear in his statement. He's got a tough job, but it sounds to me like he has a great team working the issue and is doing a good job making the decisions that have to be made. Parent's and Midshipmen may not be happy with the lack of transparency, but frankly that is not uncommon in the military -- Command looks foolish if they issue a set of orders, then has to rescind and change the orders because of changed circumstances. Sometimes its better to keep the plans internal until ready to execute.
 
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[Supe] has a tough job, but it sounds to me like he has a great team working the issue and is doing a good job making the decisions that have to be made.
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He has a very thorough set of plans. He wouldn’t be where he is if he didn’t do it well. And no one except his management team has the right to see his playbook.

You know what? Joe Gibbs won the Super Bowl that one year with Scrubs. That’s pretty good planning too.
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'23 is starting the return to the Yard. DD is in the first wave on the 17th.

Sad to lose her, but glad she gets to return to her Company, teammates, and the welcoming embrace of Mother B.

Also the cost of her return ticket is only using half the credit we have for her ticket from March. :)
 
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