Separated Past 2/C Year or Beyond

Ok, forget I asked or even started to ask a question on this forum. You guys are nothing but gossipers. Yes I'll admit some of you do your job and help people but some of you judge. Have you even been to a service academy? Or been in the military? It's not all sunshine and roses all the time. Have you seen the news lately? Sexual assaults are going through the roof. Are you going to judge those girls and guys who are claiming to have been assaulted? Are you going to just say they 'faked it for attention' or 'how much of a winner' they are? Yeah, I'm sure they really appreciate it. As for the chick who lied about her height, ok that was inexcusable and she probably deserves to be kicked out but for you guys to criticize and judge her online, how dare you. Maybe she felt pressured. The Academy is throwing people out left and right. What would you do if your kid made a bad choice and got kicked out? Would you want them torn to shreds online by people who don't know them? I'm sure they're already embarrassed and humiliated enough. Maybe they even decided to end their lives already. Does anyone remember Air Force last summer or Army? Death over dishonor, yeah seems like a bunch of words until the bodies pile up.

Please read my post #15 again.
 
Have you even been to a service academy? Or been in the military? It's not all sunshine and roses all the time

Um . . . yeah. Many of us have been -- in both. We've been in and graduated from a SA, not just been "to" one. We know from personal experience what it's like.

We actually feel for mids/cadets and their families in situations like this because we've been there. We've seen people not be able to handle a SA, we've seen people kicked out for various reasons, we've seen people who were doing terrific and left b/c they decided it wasn't for them.

And in the military after the SA, we've see a lot more. Today's veterans, especially (more than my generation, I must say), truly understand what the military is about in war time.

Sometimes, a bit of humor is all that makes it less painful.

That said, there's not typically a lot of sympathy for those who commit major violations (conduct and honor), especially after their 3/C year. By that time, you well know the rules and the end is nearly in sight. Making dumb mistakes and errors in judgment is sad for all involved but also something (like DUI) that is almost 100% preventable. So, there might not be the hand-wringing on this site that you might find elsewhere.
 
Ok, forget I asked or even started to ask a question on this forum. You guys are nothing but gossipers. Yes I'll admit some of you do your job and help people but some of you judge. Have you even been to a service academy? Or been in the military? It's not all sunshine and roses all the time. Have you seen the news lately? Sexual assaults are going through the roof. Are you going to judge those girls and guys who are claiming to have been assaulted? Are you going to just say they 'faked it for attention' or 'how much of a winner' they are? Yeah, I'm sure they really appreciate it. As for the chick who lied about her height, ok that was inexcusable and she probably deserves to be kicked out but for you guys to criticize and judge her online, how dare you. Maybe she felt pressured. The Academy is throwing people out left and right. What would you do if your kid made a bad choice and got kicked out? Would you want them torn to shreds online by people who don't know them? I'm sure they're already embarrassed and humiliated enough. Maybe they even decided to end their lives already. Does anyone remember Air Force last summer or Army? Death over dishonor, yeah seems like a bunch of words until the bodies pile up.


So I actually have a fair amount of, I don't know, cred to talk about this subject. Why?

-I'm a grad currently on active duty (thought admittedly my current "duties" are pretty light).
-I spent half of 1/C year as my company's honor rep and not only was on an honor board as a juror, but represented a member of my company in an honor hearing (cheating on a test), handled several remediation cases, and sat in on multiple Brigade honor boards and Dant's hearings as an observer.

Perhaps more relevantly, I also struggled with making weight to be able to commission as a Marine (before everyone starts thinking I'm a fat POS, I'm also a 300 PFT/CFTer, and Marine standards are much stricter than the Navy ones) and managed to do so within a semester without lying about it.

The whole point of the honor system and why we at the SAs and in the military hold each other to a higher standard is to see who can conduct themselves in high stress situations without compromising their integrity. These things do not get easier after graduation. The stakes get higher and the pressure to perform just gets more intense.
Of course she felt pressured. And she buckled. That's the point. It's not personal. But that's just not someone I want around, especially when they've made that call as a 2/C.

Your point about sexual assault is a red herring. Whether or not the military handles that well is a topic for another thread...I personally have never made that assumption about someone accusing another military member of sexual assault (and I know people on both sides of that equation) and never would.

I (obviously) don't have a child and it's (hopefully)going to be a few years before I do, let alone one old enough to make this kind of mistake, so I can hardly speak on what I'd want for "my kid." As someone who made it through a SA without lying, cheating, stealing, or committing any other kind of honor/major conduct offense, though, I have to admit that my sympathy is limited.
 
So I actually have a fair amount of, I don't know, cred to talk about this subject. Why?

-I'm a grad currently on active duty (thought admittedly my current "duties" are pretty light).
-I spent half of 1/C year as my company's honor rep and not only was on an honor board as a juror, but represented a member of my company in an honor hearing (cheating on a test), handled several remediation cases, and sat in on multiple Brigade honor boards and Dant's hearings as an observer.

Perhaps more relevantly, I also struggled with making weight to be able to commission as a Marine (before everyone starts thinking I'm a fat POS, I'm also a 300 PFT/CFTer, and Marine standards are much stricter than the Navy ones) and managed to do so within a semester without lying about it.

The whole point of the honor system and why we at the SAs and in the military hold each other to a higher standard is to see who can conduct themselves in high stress situations without compromising their integrity. These things do not get easier after graduation. The stakes get higher and the pressure to perform just gets more intense.
Of course she felt pressured. And she buckled. That's the point. It's not personal. But that's just not someone I want around, especially when they've made that call as a 2/C.

Your point about sexual assault is a red herring. Whether or not the military handles that well is a topic for another thread...I personally have never made that assumption about someone accusing another military member of sexual assault (and I know people on both sides of that equation) and never would.

I (obviously) don't have a child and it's (hopefully)going to be a few years before I do, let alone one old enough to make this kind of mistake, so I can hardly speak on what I'd want for "my kid." As someone who made it through a SA without lying, cheating, stealing, or committing any other kind of honor/major conduct offense, though, I have to admit that my sympathy is limited.

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