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MamaBear24

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My son was separated from the naval academy due to not meeting PRT standards at the beginning of his senior year. He met all requirements except the run time. He was separated in August of 2023. He elected service to fulfill his service obligation. We were told that it could take up to 3 months for him to receive his discharge and receive his orders. We have waited patiently only to find out yesterday after he had to call the personnel office that he will be discharged, but will not be receiving orders as the Assistant Secretary of the Navy elected to not let him serve. The personnel office could not provide a reason as to why they elected to not let him serve. I am wondering if anyone knows why when the Navy is currently the worst branch of our military in terms of meeting quotas would not allow someone who is able and willing to serve. If he enlists in another branch will that count as his service obligation or is he screwed and expected to pay $165,414.00. The paperwork he received refers to a section a for waivers but no section a was with the paperwork. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
MamaBear24 said:
My son was separated from the naval academy due to not meeting PRT standards at the beginning of his senior year. He met all requirements except the run time. He was separated in August of 2023. He elected service to fulfill his service obligation. We were told that it could take up to 3 months for him to receive his discharge and receive his orders. We have waited patiently only to find out yesterday after he had to call the personnel office that he will be discharged, but will not be receiving orders as the Assistant Secretary of the Navy elected to not let him serve. The personnel office could not provide a reason as to why they elected to not let him serve. I am wondering if anyone knows why when the Navy is currently the worst branch of our military in terms of meeting quotas would not allow someone who is able and willing to serve. If he enlists in another branch will that count as his service obligation or is he screwed and expected to pay $165,414.00. The paperwork he received refers to a section a for waivers but no section a was with the paperwork. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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I would seek legal counsel, someone with experience in such matters.

I agree with @A1Janitor, we lost a HUGE base of knowledge. In that vein, I would look at her past posts. You may have to dig, but I suspect this subject has come up in the past and she has offered excellent advice.
 
MamaBear24 said:
My son was separated from the naval academy due to not meeting PRT standards at the beginning of his senior year. He met all requirements except the run time. He was separated in August of 2023. He elected service to fulfill his service obligation. We were told that it could take up to 3 months for him to receive his discharge and receive his orders. We have waited patiently only to find out yesterday after he had to call the personnel office that he will be discharged, but will not be receiving orders as the Assistant Secretary of the Navy elected to not let him serve. The personnel office could not provide a reason as to why they elected to not let him serve. I am wondering if anyone knows why when the Navy is currently the worst branch of our military in terms of meeting quotas would not allow someone who is able and willing to serve. If he enlists in another branch will that count as his service obligation or is he screwed and expected to pay $165,414.00. The paperwork he received refers to a section a for waivers but no section a was with the paperwork. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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I can't offer any advice. I just feel for your son and your family. I hope it works out.
 
CaptMJ informed the Site Owner and the Moderators that she was "stepping back" from the SAF for a while. A former member released some private information of hers (removed by SAF almost immediately) however she was concerned by it. Every members privacy is HIGHLY valued/treasured by the founder of the SAF and his moderating team; as well as every member here. That's why you'll see us step in very quickly if we think a post might have even a smidgeon of identifiable information.

As for my friend CaptMJ, we ALL hope she will return in time.
 
flieger83 said:
CaptMJ informed the Site Owner and the Moderators that she was "stepping back" from the SAF for a while. A former member released some private information of hers (removed by SAF almost immediately) however she was concerned by it. Every members privacy is HIGHLY valued/treasured by the founder of the SAF and his moderating team; as well as every member here. That's why you'll see us step in very quickly if we think a post might have even a smidgeon of identifiable information.

As for my friend CaptMJ, we ALL hope she will return in time.
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Thanks for the update. Just relieved that she's ok. She's a treasure.
 
MamaBear24 said:
My son was separated from the naval academy due to not meeting PRT standards at the beginning of his senior year. He met all requirements except the run time. He was separated in August of 2023. He elected service to fulfill his service obligation. We were told that it could take up to 3 months for him to receive his discharge and receive his orders. We have waited patiently only to find out yesterday after he had to call the personnel office that he will be discharged, but will not be receiving orders as the Assistant Secretary of the Navy elected to not let him serve. The personnel office could not provide a reason as to why they elected to not let him serve. I am wondering if anyone knows why when the Navy is currently the worst branch of our military in terms of meeting quotas would not allow someone who is able and willing to serve. If he enlists in another branch will that count as his service obligation or is he screwed and expected to pay $165,414.00. The paperwork he received refers to a section a for waivers but no section a was with the paperwork. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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... so thinking positively, the 3-year USNA education is first class however expensive since he is now required to pay for it. He can easily transfer to a top notch school. If my DS attended his plan B school, the annual price is comparable. I once had a former JAG lawyer from Philadelphia. He defended a former USMA cadet for plagiarism. Ultimately the cadet was kicked out and enlisted in the service for 3 years to pay his debt. There are lots of former JAG Officers working in the Philadelphia area. They normally require a retainer fee of $2K to start the process.
 
severn said:
... so thinking positively, the 3-year USNA education is first class however expensive since he is now required to pay for it. He can easily transfer to a top notch school. If my DS attended his plan B school, the annual price is comparable. I once had a former JAG lawyer from Philadelphia. He defended a former USMA cadet for plagiarism. Ultimately the cadet was kicked out and enlisted in the service for 3 years to pay his debt. There are lots of former JAG Officers working in the Philadelphia area. They normally require a retainer fee of $2K to start the process.
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The student you mention above did they allow him to enlist from the separation process or did he have to go through a recruiter? My son selected service to repay his debt, but the Secretary of the Navy denied his request. No reason and with the military missing their quotas the Navy being the worst of all branches, I would have thought that they would have accepted him to serve. He was not an honors violation as with the young man you mention above. He had no conduct issues. He struggled to pass the academy run time, but was well within the margins for what the fleet expected for his age and weight. Just trying to help him navigate this process and help him figure out the debt issue. We live in a small rural town in Ohio and don't have the money to help him pay off this huge debt. Thanks for your input and help. It is so hard to get any information from anyone.
 
MamaBear24 said:
The student you mention above did they allow him to enlist from the separation process or did he have to go through a recruiter? My son selected service to repay his debt, but the Secretary of the Navy denied his request. No reason and with the military missing their quotas the Navy being the worst of all branches, I would have thought that they would have accepted him to serve. He was not an honors violation as with the young man you mention above. He had no conduct issues. He struggled to pass the academy run time, but was well within the margins for what the fleet expected for his age and weight. Just trying to help him navigate this process and help him figure out the debt issue. We live in a small rural town and in Ohio and don't have the money to help him pay off this huge debt. Thanks for your input and help. It is so hard to get any information from anyone.
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... my lawyer told that anecdote. The cadet copied his classmate's book report. The professor busted him for it. He admitted it. He was in a rush and did not have enough time to write his own report. My lawyer represented him and argued that he should remain in USMA. The Army Secretary decided to kick him out from USMA and served 3 years as an enlisted Soldier. Regarding legal counsel, I highly recommend it. I think to start the process, just write a short email message to a former JAG officer explaining the background. It's free for the initial contact. If the lawyer decides to take the case, then a retainer fee is in order. These former JAG lawyers are experts in military law. I think it's worth it. Good luck.
 
severn said:
... my lawyer told that anecdote. The cadet copied his classmate's book report. The professor busted him for it. He admitted it. He was in a rush and did not have enough time to write his own report. My lawyer represented him and argued that he should remain in USMA. The Army Secretary decided to kick him out from USMA and served 3 years as an enlisted Soldier. Regarding legal counsel, I highly recommend it. I think to start the process, just write a short email message to a former JAG officer explaining the background. It's free for the initial contact. If the lawyer decides to take the case, then a retainer fee is in order. These former JAG lawyers are experts in military law. I think it's worth it. Good luck.
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Don’t cheat?
 
MamaBear24 said:
My son was separated from the naval academy due to not meeting PRT standards at the beginning of his senior year. He met all requirements except the run time. He was separated in August of 2023. He elected service to fulfill his service obligation. We were told that it could take up to 3 months for him to receive his discharge and receive his orders. We have waited patiently only to find out yesterday after he had to call the personnel office that he will be discharged, but will not be receiving orders as the Assistant Secretary of the Navy elected to not let him serve. The personnel office could not provide a reason as to why they elected to not let him serve. I am wondering if anyone knows why when the Navy is currently the worst branch of our military in terms of meeting quotas would not allow someone who is able and willing to serve. If he enlists in another branch will that count as his service obligation or is he screwed and expected to pay $165,414.00. The paperwork he received refers to a section a for waivers but no section a was with the paperwork. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Will have to use the search function but there were a couple of lawyers recommended on here that people had used in similar situation. Would reach out for their experienced opinion.
 
Is the PRT at the USNA different than the PRT for active duty enlisted? Is it possible he was deemed not physically fit?
 
theroyz71 said:
Is the PRT at the USNA different than the PRT for active duty enlisted? Is it possible he was deemed not physically fit?
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Same PRT, different standards with the Academy's standards being more difficult.
 
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