Service Communities

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I’ve read from various posters brief descriptions of their service communities. Can anyone recommend a place, reference or book that describes what each community is like? Typical day? Standard deployments? Family life? Career opportunities? Etc.?
Just curious.
thanks.
 
Communities as in SWO, subs, aviator, SUPPO, Dive, SEAL?
 
Sorry..yes. Descriptions of what they are like.
Thought so. I'm not an officer but can weigh in on common characteristics of a few communities after some officers post their thoughts. Or, if you are just looking for "a place, reference or book that describes what each community is like" then I don't know of anything like that. Somebody else probably will though.
 
Well, I'm sure some "old" salts will come by and comment.
 
It’s such a large and broad topic to be honest. Even in the SWO community amphib vs cruiser/destroyer has all its own nuances, cultures and intricacies. Same thing with helos vs jets vs props. Fast attack vs boomers. Usually one platoform will speak to someone within their community because of all these things. Also being deployed vs not deployed can vary greatly. The other aspect... just like any job... every single job can vary so greatly with leadership. People don’t leave jobs they leave bad leaders. I think it rings true a great deal for the military too. Positive experiences leads to higher retention. I will defer to the Navy folks to give the details on all these factors and their time.
 
Thanks. I have read this. I guess I was looking for more of the inside point of view vs navy marketing. Ive looked extensively but really haven’t found much.
This is a very complex subject that could easily fill a book. Actually I considered a book at one point but other things intruded on the idea and I moved on to other things. The genesis of my thoughts came when my son and his friends started talking about it with me. I never pushed them but for some reason a few started and more followed. Quite simply, the deployments are more a function of the individual unit than the warfare specialty itself. SWOs, Submariners and Tactical Aviators tend to deploy for 6 months or so at a time while Strategic Missile Submarines (SSBNs) and Patrol Aircraft generally have shorter deployments. Marine deployments can vary but they are often aboard Amphibious ships and Aircraft Carriers with the normal 6 months deployments. Liberty Ports are a function of what part of the world you deploy to although in COVID times, there is not much overseas liberty.
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What is very different between the communities is what is most prized in a Junior Officer or better stated, what it takes to excel.

Aviators are all about flying that airplane. Knowledge of the science behind it or managing "stuff" is not ignored but the chief Junior Officer expectation is operational performance FLYING.

SWOs expect you to learn to drive the ship and to be a capable watchstander but your divisional admin and leading your people are equally important if not more important in what a SWO is measured by. You could be the greatest shiphandler in the world but if your spaces are not clean, equipment operable and your admin under control, you will not break out well at eval time.

Submariners are a little similar to SWOs but very high on a Submariner's key attributes is their technical knowledge at the detailed scientific level of how and why their equipment operates (or doesn't) along with the highly detailed understanding of their sub and all of its (very interconnected) systems.

Marines generally expect their junior officers to lead from the front so they need that sharp looking (uniform wise) officer who is physically at the front of the pack as they show the proper example to their Marines. Shoot well, understand the tactics that your unit has to execute and communicate effectively up to your leaders and down to your Marines.

That is a very short version of it. If you look at it at length, you'll see that there are basic personality traits that can help in some of these.
 
This is a very complex subject that could easily fill a book. Actually I considered a book at one point but other things intruded on the idea and I moved on to other things. The genesis of my thoughts came when my son and his friends started talking about it with me. I never pushed them but for some reason a few started and more followed. Quite simply, the deployments are more a function of the individual unit than the warfare specialty itself. SWOs, Submariners and Tactical Aviators tend to deploy for 6 months or so at a time while Strategic Missile Submarines (SSBNs) and Patrol Aircraft generally have shorter deployments. Marine deployments can vary but they are often aboard Amphibious ships and Aircraft Carriers with the normal 6 months deployments. Liberty Ports are a function of what part of the world you deploy to although in COVID times, there is not much overseas liberty.
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What is very different between the communities is what is most prized in a Junior Officer or better stated, what it takes to excel.

Aviators are all about flying that airplane. Knowledge of the science behind it or managing "stuff" is not ignored but the chief Junior Officer expectation is operational performance FLYING.

SWOs expect you to learn to drive the ship and to be a capable watchstander but your divisional admin and leading your people are equally important if not more important in what a SWO is measured by. You could be the greatest shiphandler in the world but if your spaces are not clean, equipment operable and your admin under control, you will not break out well at eval time.

Submariners are a little similar to SWOs but very high on a Submariner's key attributes is their technical knowledge at the detailed scientific level of how and why their equipment operates (or doesn't) along with the highly detailed understanding of their sub and all of its (very interconnected) systems.

Marines generally expect their junior officers to lead from the front so they need that sharp looking (uniform wise) officer who is physically at the front of the pack as they show the proper example to their Marines. Shoot well, understand the tactics that your unit has to execute and communicate effectively up to your leaders and down to your Marines.

That is a very short version of it. If you look at it at length, you'll see that there are basic personality traits that can help in some of these.
This is the type of stuff I am interested and thanks for sharing. if you ever write that book, I’ll buy it - there really isn't much out there. My plebe DS came home from first semester with all kinds of great stories and fascinating plans. He will find his place, and I am sure summer trainings help quite a bit, but knowing his personality, strengths and weaknesses, I am really curious to learn more about each area. In six months he’s gone from subs to SWO to, now, pilot. I always thought he’d gravitate towards marine. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
It will be fun to watch him figure it out.
 
You never really know until you get there. Then it becomes a new learning experience. Even among the same community a change from one command to another means new things to learn. I changed bases six times in four years (from low man and right out of tech school to instructor at the same tech school) and each was a learning experience.
 
This is a very complex subject that could easily fill a book
Exactly, and unfortunately its the type of book that would have a very limited following, and unless filled with sea stories might be pretty dry. I know there are books out there -- I recall having a Naval Aviation Officers guide when I was a Midshipman ...kind of explaining the training pipeline , platforms, and career paths. I don't recall any "day in the life of _____'" books, probably because there is no typical day (the variety was one of the best parts of serving !). As a P3 NFO, I had a weekly and daily Flight Schedule to tell me what my day was supposed to be like (and as Division Officer, 50-60 maintenance troops dedicated to ensuring that no day would go exactly as scheduled :)!

Honestly, the best way to get an understanding of each warfare community is to meet and interact with as many people who have been there, done that, as you can. If you read through these Forums, there is a lot of good information from those of us who have been there already. Once you get to USNA , you will have the opportunity to interact with both Officers and Enlisted from all communities, and the distinct culture of each community will quickly be apparent.
 
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