Should I worry that my daughter will be a target of sexual assault?

Who would sign up for that? This isn't supposed to be prison or a monastery. We aren't going to the academy to be monks. Like it or not, the Academies are still collages.

Are you allowed to get married while you are a cadet?

Are you allowed to ride a motorcycle while you are a cadet?

Mids are still going to drink, legal or not.

Because doing things that are illegal is a fantastic leadership quality. I guess since it is still a college, illegal activities are considered no big deal.

Wow.
 
The SAs already have more than enough rules. The amount of briefings/seminars on drinking, sexual assault, etc is frankly insulting to the vast majority of cadets because they are honorable and would do anything to protect their friends and classmates and already know better.

Have your DS/DD stay home and take online college courses if you want to ensure they don't interact with college kids that drink and attempt to meet members of the opposite sex by doing stupid things (sexual assault is criminal activity and does not fall under the category of 'stupid things')

Colorado used to allow 18-20 year olds to consume 3.2 beer. USAFA sold it on base. You may be shocked to hear that many of my classmates spent their first couple of trips to Arnold Hall getting hammered and by the third weekend pretty much learned to drink socially.

You need to lighten up and quit advocating for 'rules for other people'

The cadets are learning to become young men and women which in our society includes drinking responsibly (and I don't drink at all). Some will fail that test but don't punish everyone for an individual's failure.

Smoking pot is a UCMJ offense worldwide, so is cocaine use. It didn't stop one of my classmates from having a kilo of cocaine with a loaded .357 in his overhead - the OSI removed him one evening.

Every school has their dirtbags and every school is full of young people that make poor decisions. More rules won't change that.

I agree with MapleRock - these type of threads serve little to no value based on what the overall purpose of this forum is about
 
DH attended USNA when alcohol was banned for all mids, regardless of age. Bars in town were prohibited by a town ordinance from serving mids. Made no difference. It was, of course, obtained and consumed, though consequences were severe.

When I was a BattO at USNA, I asked the Commandant if we could remove car and driving privileges for an offender's entire time at USNA, for any alcohol-related incident, no exception, no restoration. Horrible to contemplate for the two classes without car privileges, horrible for the two classes with. Though he thought that would be a powerful deterrent, he also thought it would create a whole underground of "car cheating" offenses. To his credit, he was consistent and strong about enforcement and consequences of those incidents. Our sponsor mids thought it was pretty devious of me to link one of the most desired privileges to alcohol offenses.

And, thousands of mids and cadets don't do anything stupid with alcohol, or they do it once and scare themselves back into line - but it is the nasty headlines linked to a relatively small group we hear about. There is a lot less of this at the SAs than civilian colleges. Mids and cadets reflect the society they came from. Teaching them responsible behavior and holding them accountable is what they, as officers, will be expected to do with those they lead.
 
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Are you allowed to get married while you are a cadet?

Are you allowed to ride a motorcycle while you are a cadet?



Because doing things that are illegal is a fantastic leadership quality. I guess since it is still a college, illegal activities are considered no big deal.

Wow.
You completely missed the whole point of my post. Mids are not children, monks, or prisoners. We should not be treated as such.

Regardless, your condescending attitude is really irritating.
 

I remember talking to some class of 1962 grads from back in the day when mids couldn't have cars.
Shocker, all of them still blew their 2/C loans on sports cars and had them all parked just outside of the 7 mile Liberty limit.

Mids always try to parse out where the line is and how far they can push it. This is especially true with "stupid rules." Normal people do this too: speeding is illegal. Underage drinking is illegal. Show me someone who claims to never have broken the law in their life and I'll show you a liar.
 
Wait - mids aren't allowed to ride on motorcycles?

I did not know that, although it doesn't matter much since we don't own one. Learn something new everyday! :)
 
DH attended USNA when alcohol was banned for all mids, regardless of age. Bars in town were prohibited by a town ordinance from serving mids. Made no difference.

"Made no difference" in the number of sexual assaults? Do you have any link to such a wild claim? IF so, I'd love to see it. What was the rate of sexual assault back then compared to what it is now?

I'm not talking about banning alcohol to prevent alcohol use - I'm talking about banning alcohol to reduce or even eliminate the #1 leading cause of sexual assaults at US military academies--drunken cadets losing inhibitions, moral values, and apparently their ability to know right from wrong.
 
You completely missed the whole point of my post. Mids are not children, monks, or prisoners. We should not be treated as such.

As have you. You want to pretend that you are just some regular ol college Joe, where getting hammered at the weekly Alpha Omega kegger is no big deal. I must have a higher opinion of you and your fellow Mids than you do.

Regardless, your condescending attitude is really irritating.

As is yours, a sophomore in college who thinks they know everything. You represent America's best and brightest very well. :rolleyes:
 
OK.folks! I don't think this discussion is furthering the purpose of the thread. At this point we should just agree to disagree. I don't think any side is going to convince the other of it's position.
 
As have you. You want to pretend that you are just some regular ol college Joe, where getting hammered at the weekly Alpha Omega kegger is no big deal. I must have a higher opinion of you and your fellow Mids than you do.



As is yours, a sophomore in college who thinks they know everything. You represent America's best and brightest very well. :rolleyes:

I know a hell of a lot more about the academy then you do.

No, I don't pretend I am a "regular" college joe, but that doesn't mean I ignore reality. Mids will drink no matter what stupid rules you propose. Binge drinking is a huge problem at the academy, it was unfact the number one problem identified by the recent command climate survey. Somehow banning alcohol for midshipmen will only make that worse.

That's besides the point that academy grads in general have a reputation for being dumb with alcohol after they graduate. That would get worse if alcohol is banned.
 
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