Speeding Ticket an ROTC

[k2rider]

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Fine opinion you have there of our military leadership.[/QUOTE]

I don't and I'm not afraid to admit it...it starts at the very tip top if you ask me and goes down from there, most of them appear to be a bunch of rear end kissers and the ones that actually speak up about deficiencies or certain issues are shown the door. I guess I'm a little too "old school" for you and I mean really old, pre-Vietnam, Teddy Roosevelt status when the needs of our military came first and there was no political correctness involved in the decision making process. But just to clarify, don't try and spin that into me saying EVERY leader is ineffective or unworthy but leaders should be chosen on their ability to LEAD and not because we need to have X number of women leaders and X number of alternative lifestyle leaders (yes, it's coming if it's not already there as it's prevalent in big police departments and has been for years).

If it makes you feel any better, I feel the same way about most of the suck-ups running police departments nowadays who cave to any pressure whatsoever. Luckily, there's a few Sheriff's who are defining what true leadership is all about out and are willing to stand up to the press and political pressure. We've turned into a society **and military** of "everythings acceptable" and not wanting to hurt anybody's feelings which has jeopardized the safety of everyone involved in the long run.

 

[k2rider]

I'd be surprised if the fine amount is relevant ...To the OP, don't worry about it, you're good!!

Then be surprised. In AROTC, the fine amount is very relative, and $250 is the hard cut-off for action to be taken. OP should be fine if he's below $250, but in the current climate, nothing is a given.

And there you have it....a perfect example of ineffective leadership. What you're saying is Cadet A in San Diego gets a ticket for not using his turn signal and gets fined $300 but still gets in trouble while Cadet B in Iowa runs a red light at 50 MPH but since his fine is only $249, he gets a pass? Stupid!!

 

[taymcg12]

Fine opinion you have there of our military leadership.[/QUOTE]

I don't and I'm not afraid to admit it...it starts at the very tip top if you ask me and goes down from there, most of them appear to be a bunch of rear end kissers and the ones that actually speak up about deficiencies or certain issues are shown the door. I guess I'm a little too "old school" for you and I mean really old, pre-Vietnam, Teddy Roosevelt status when the needs of our military came first and there was no political correctness involved in the decision making process. But just to clarify, don't try and spin that into me saying EVERY leader is ineffective or unworthy but leaders should be chosen on their ability to LEAD and not because we need to have X number of women leaders and X number of alternative lifestyle leaders (yes, it's coming if it's not already there as it's prevalent in big police departments and has been for years).

If it makes you feel any better, I feel the same way about most of the suck-ups running police departments nowadays who cave to any pressure whatsoever. Luckily, there's a few Sheriff's who are defining what true leadership is all about out and are willing to stand up to the press and political pressure. We've turned into a society **and military** of "everythings acceptable" and not wanting to hurt anybody's feelings which has jeopardized the safety of everyone involved in the long run.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that the military would be happy to give a waiver for circumstances like that. I'm not trying to start anything but I think we would all appreciate it if you could stop disrespecting our men and women in the military as well as law enforcement. I really don't appreciate that. My grandfather was a sheriff for 30 years and I'm proud to say that he was not a "read end kisser."

 

[Jcleppe]

Then be surprised. In AROTC, the fine amount is very relative, and $250 is the hard cut-off for action to be taken. OP should be fine if he's below $250, but in the current climate, nothing is a given.

This past spring my son went to San Diego with a bunch of friends for Spring Break, a fellow cadet was one of the drivers. He received one of those $300.00 tickets for not using his turn signal. When he got back to school he was nervous because the fine was over $250.00. He went straight to the cadre, the PMS sent a copy of the ticket to Brigade and they emailed back that since the ticket was issued in a jurisdiction that had higher then average fines there was no requirement for a waiver. They do take the jurisdiction where the fine was given into consideration.

 

[taymcg12]

My point exactly! They are understanding, they want cadets to succeed, not fail.

 

[Jcleppe]

taymcg12,

There is no disrespect in questioning leadership or having an opinion. It's easy to see things through rose colored glasses during ROTC but it doesn't always work out that way.

To be honest I have limited confidence in much of the Army's leadership right now. I have a son that has been active for three years, watching what he is going through and how the Aviation branch is handling things leaves little room for confidence.

My son that just commissioned this year and branched Aviation has yet to receive any orders or a confirmed date, he has not heard one word from the Army since he graduated.

Nobody is disrespecting our service men and women, far from it, we all just want them to have the best leadership they can.

 

[Jcleppe]

My point exactly! They are understanding, they want cadets to succeed, not fail.

Don't confuse what I posted with them being understanding. There is a lot that goes on that you will simply shake your head over. Your right, their goal is to have cadets succeed, but they are not always that understanding.