Summer school
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Don’t sweat about it, it’s nothing to be ashamed of. You’re not alone. A lot of people have flunked a class at KP and still graduate with their classmates. Buckle down make sure you learn the material especially if it’s an early class because it’s going to be the basis of future classes. You got this!
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@Sailfish my son had to do summer school for Calculus.. He said with just the one class and no regimental obligations he could really focus on the course material. Despite flunking calc the first time he ended up doing pretty well in summer school. If it’s anything like it was back then the class will be condensed into 20 days of instruction. As I recall he said that they had ‘open gangway’ after the class was over for the day; which was nice. Also back then summer classes overlapped indoc, but summer schoolers were kept separate and didn’t get involved with any of the indoc activities.
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A large number of 2027 will be taking TWO summer school classes. Mentally this seems to be more crushing than anything as they won't be traveling home or seeing family until Parent's Weekend.
Hi, I did summer school for a math class in between my plebe and 3/C year. It’s really not as bad as everyone chalks it up to being. There’s no real regiment apart from signing in at night. Most of the people I did it with actually enjoyed it more than working indoc. It sucked not going home for summer but there were worse things that could’ve happened.
Yes, mentally it is crushing. Do you think it’s a larger number than previous years ?
Only initially, but then…
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Thing is they won't see anything like that until they get out after 5. KPers are already making that out the gate and by year 5 KPers are already sailing Chief Mate or 1st Engineer making well over 200K. Not unheard of to be be sailing as Captain or Chief Engineer in their late 20s. At that point making well over $250k. I did 5 yrs active duty as a SWO in the Navy before I went back in the MM. In June of 95 in a span of a day from leaving San Diego Naval Station to the MEBA marine engineers union hall in Long Beach CA. I went from making $4300/month as an 0-3 Navy LT on a destroyer to making $18k/month as a 3rd Engineer on a Supertanker. I was 5 yrs behind all my classmates. Im guessing I probably forfeited $500k in salary by going AD but I will never regret it. I had the privilage of serving my country and being part of history in Desert Storm.Only initially, but then…
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I read Congressman Michael Waltz and Senator Mark Kelly are working on legislation to make it easier for U.S. Navy officers to get U.S. Merchant Marine licenses.
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It is pretty tough. Our 3rd Mate on the Sealand Trader was a NA 94 grad and a former SWO, she had to tough it out as an unlicensed Able Seaman with MSC for 2 yrs before she could sit for her 3rd mates license. She's now sailing as Master for Patriot Shipping.
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Regardless, the actual income levels posted are the actual income levels documented, your allegories notwithstanding.
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Yeah, so just become a CEO at $262,746. Simple.
If you’re coming out of MIT and making $85,045 as a Mechanical Engineer, I think something is amiss in your plan.
I’ve never looked at that website, but I have no idea of how they get their salary ranges and which professions make up the range for the Universities, but neither USNA or USMA have any engineering in their averages.
If you’re coming out of any Academy and a successful service obligation and making less than a rookie police officer while working in a technical field, this makes no sense.
Not arguing any points, I just think whatever methodology this website is using to to establish these numbers isn’t realistic.
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KPEngnr90
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Even if you took the lowest paying shipping job out of Kings Point which would be Military Sealift Command which is basically the Navy's cargo ships operated by civilian mariners you'd be getting paid $156k/yr as a newly minted 3rd Officer with the ink barely dry on your license. Of note MSC is offering a $35k bonus for new officers who sign on for 2 yrs. Their rotation works out to 11 months on 1 month off. On the higher end with say a company like Matson Lines your making about $160k as a 3rd Officer working 6 months on 6 months off. A brand new Ensign or 2nd Lt stationed in San Diego makes $3826 plus $3153 housing allowance and $316 grocery allowance per month that works out to about 87k/yr. By year 5 and you somehow figured out how to fall off a log you should be an 0-3 LT/Capt making $6800/month base pay with the $4161 housing and food allowance it works out to be $135k/yr. By year 5 as a professional mariner you should have your Chief Mates or 1st Engineers license and you're clearing over $200K/yr easily. Not unheard of for 28-29year olds to be sailing as a Sea Captain or Chief engineer. At that point your clearing over $250K. In the military your not seeing that range till you reach flag rank and you're looking at a 20 plus year career by the time you reach that scale
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Yep... I asked my son, who's currently sailing skipper on a containership out of the MM&P union, how much he made. He told me that he's pulling down, with his wages, overtime and vacation pay, right around $1,500 a day. He gets day for day paid vacation, so basically he works about 180 days a year [a 70 day on and 70 day off rotation]. Do the math.. That's $270,000 gross for 6 months work. On top of all that, he also has good medical, dental and prescription drug coverage for both he and his family and there's a decent pension plan. It's not a bad gig to get into..
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In essence you're the Old Man of the Old Man. LOL.
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Yes sir..
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My DS said 70 from c/o 2027 taking a summer school class this year, so far. More finals the rest of the week so that number might increase. Dry cargo final failed a bunch. He was happy to pass. Add to that number the setbacks that have already occurred and it seems like something needs to be addressed.
He'll be there this summer working as an EMT. I wish he could be home for more than a week but as a C-split this is his only summer to be there for Indoc and it's required to work Indoc to be an EMT. Thankful he's passing everything so far.