The “Why”: Outprocessing POV

ct2023

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Hi,

So I just left USMA a few weeks back, considering all those seemingly considering outprocessing, especially those not yet at affirmation, I thought this might help someone somewhere down the line.

Since freshman year, USMA was #1 on my list. It was my dream, and I was tremendously proud of myself when I got in. I worked hard to prepare, sweated the small stuff, and missed little going into R-Day. I was sure of myself, insofar as that’s possible at this age. But when I got started, it felt off. I was bad at it, but plenty of people are, especially those without experience. The military seemed horrible, and I wanted out. Beast felt like 6 weeks of pure panic, and I didn’t think I could cope. I shook myself out of it. I wasn’t going to give up that easily. I stuck it out through Beast.
Things got better. The Academic Year gave me better opportunities to fix myself and learn, and I found things I enjoyed. Fortunately, in using these resources such as CPD and BH, I found out that what I had considered stressful moments were panic attacks. I had thought of myself as soft for months, and this revelation helped me actualize the problem and try and fix it. However, with that came some time in a dark place, and I began to consider leaving. I felt stagnant and that treatment wasn’t working. Maybe the military isnt right for me.
As I discussed it with family, friends, and mentors, I made a pact that I would not leave without a solid plan. So I set to work. Eventually, COVID times hit, and we all go home. I spend that time evaluating my options, and surprise! A shot in an awesome program in an awesome school.
But was the decision ready? Did I really want to leave?
Here I struggled for a long time. I felt there were certainly things I could do for the military, and in the end, I just wanted to do what’s right. Would leaving be selfish? What’s best for the Army here, the country, and what’s best for me? Tough ask. What I’ve come to believe is that there are multiple ways to serve your community, country, and fellow man, and many different ways to do any given thing and that some paths are better for some people. And a couple months ago, I made the decision. It’s not my path, and I’d pursue another way to “help”.
And now, a full year after first considering it, I am at peace with that decision. I wholeheartedly believe that if I had made a choice sooner, without using my resources, without exhausting my options, without a good backup plan, I would have had far more regrets then I am having now. So for those of you considering leaving this grand opportunity, my advice to you is this:
Give it time, think it through, have a plan. Lean on others when you have to, and be critical of your impulses. Because yes, some things aren’t for everyone. West Point certainly isn’t. But whether it is for you or not is a big decision, and what else to do is an even bigger one. Consider it all, and you’ll respect yourself at the end of the day, regardless of choice. Hope this helps.
 
Hi,
If I may ask, what was your plan? Did you transfer to a state school before you left? Do you have “any” regrets, if yes could you share? Thanks
 
Thanks for posting this.

I had a classmate go to prep school, and half way through her plebe year she knew she wanted to leave a go do sports medicine and become a physical therapist. She stayed at KP an extra 18 months because everyone said "it gets better," "you should stick it out," and "you'll regret leaving." Anyone who really knew her, knew a maritime school wasn't the right fit for her. She spent 3 years of her life, and I think a lot of it was because people were blindly pressuring her to stay.

Academies aren't for everyone. For some, leaving absolutely is the right call.
 
I’m curious how your parents supported you through this. We have seen parents here over the years, wondering what to do. How to help. Can you speak to this piece in your process @ct2023? And thank you for sharing your story.
 
Hello! Sorry I missed these messages originally.
Hi,
If I may ask, what was your plan? Did you transfer to a state school before you left? Do you have “any” regrets, if yes could you share? Thanks
My plan when I left was to switch schools and pursue a possible graduate degree, and that plan has worked out so far! I ended up transferring to a private school because it seemed like a better fit. And I don't regret the move, but there are definitely things I could've done better, most importantly being more up front with people about issues while I was there! Overall though, the most important thing is being ready for the next step! As for my parents, they were skeptical about leaving until they were sure I had thought everything through, and after that they were very supportive! The biggest way parents can help in my opinion is to be there as an emotional support and to make sure no rash decisions are made, and that whatever comes next is something they choose themselves, and that they work on planning those next steps themselves. It's a complex process and I'm sure people go into it in different ways. I hope this helps, even if it is a bit late! :D
 
Hello! Sorry I missed these messages originally.

My plan when I left was to switch schools and pursue a possible graduate degree, and that plan has worked out so far! I ended up transferring to a private school because it seemed like a better fit. And I don't regret the move, but there are definitely things I could've done better, most importantly being more up front with people about issues while I was there! Overall though, the most important thing is being ready for the next step! As for my parents, they were skeptical about leaving until they were sure I had thought everything through, and after that they were very supportive! The biggest way parents can help in my opinion is to be there as an emotional support and to make sure no rash decisions are made, and that whatever comes next is something they choose themselves, and that they work on planning those next steps themselves. It's a complex process and I'm sure people go into it in different ways. I hope this helps, even if it is a bit late! :D
You are a smart kid for sure, and smart kids figure things out. My son is a rising senior, he is at the very early stage of exploring college options. Both my mind and my wife mind (we both have doctoral degrees in a stem major) were totally blown away when my son announced his strong interest in attending a service academy. Honestly, we do not know what that means to his life or our life. Very likely, your parents were in similar situation when you started talking about leaving the USMA. However, as long as you take care of your folks’ feelings, as long as you are willing to be transformed by the renewing of your mind in an honest way, your courage to resist conformity to a majority is not only okay but inspirational.

Have you read Roald Dahl’s book? Quoting him, throughout your life, you will experience a lot. “Some are funny, some are painful, some are inspiring, some are unpleasant. I suppose that's why I have always remembered them so vividly”. No honest, moral decision is wrong, they are all good decisions that help to build our life journey. Embrace every moment! For me, my wife and I spent the past weekend in New London, attending my aimster son‘s graduation ceremony, it was an extremely unique and exciting experience for us. Of course USMA is still the top 1 on my son’s college list, I feel grateful for my son opening another facet of the world to me. I believe your parents will be proud of you, as they have always been.
 
Hello! Sorry I missed these messages originally.

My plan when I left was to switch schools and pursue a possible graduate degree, and that plan has worked out so far! I ended up transferring to a private school because it seemed like a better fit. And I don't regret the move, but there are definitely things I could've done better, most importantly being more up front with people about issues while I was there! Overall though, the most important thing is being ready for the next step! As for my parents, they were skeptical about leaving until they were sure I had thought everything through, and after that they were very supportive! The biggest way parents can help in my opinion is to be there as an emotional support and to make sure no rash decisions are made, and that whatever comes next is something they choose themselves, and that they work on planning those next steps themselves. It's a complex process and I'm sure people go into it in different ways. I hope this helps, even if it is a bit late! :D
Thanks, CT, my DS has the same question right now, during the INDOC, the academy seems like isn't for him. maybe leaving is the right call. it is hard to make the decision
 
Thanks, CT, my DS has the same question right now, during the INDOC, the academy seems like isn't for him. maybe leaving is the right call. it is hard to make the decision
Hi, are you saying your kiddo is in the midst of the summer training for cadets and is questioning their decision to commit? I and others here would love to help and provide insight or assistance if we knew a little bit more. All while preserving anonymity.
 
I have had a few I coached attend a SA. I have had my own kids attend. I don’t know anyone that actually enjoyed the experience.

For me there is a big difference between not liking or hating the academy experience and being in a dark maybe depressed place while at a SA.

one of mine hated virtually every single day of their 5 years. They actually quit after their sophomore or youngster year. They quit in every way you can short of sending in their well written resignation letter.

Then they graduated and spent their five years on AD.

Now they love the SA :)

I have another one now in the pipeline. I expect they will also hate it much of the time.

most kids stay and most graduate even those that claim they hated the place and even wrote their resignation letter.

parents and the mid or cadet should be able to deal with being unhappy. And if you can’t the military is just not for you.

being in a dark depressed place is not the same as being unhappy.

I have a friend that did quit after his two years. Went to a very good state school after , graduated with a great degree, and has had a very successful life after.

now 30+ years later does he regret leaving ——-not right after he left and not for years later but I bet every day of his life now he looks back at quitting as a failure.

Getting older and looking back at roads not taken or roads you could not master can do this.

That is not a reason to stay.

But the OP should not be surprised if years from now they look back and see this differently.
 
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What Small Team Bacsi said in the latter part of his post above. I enlisted right out of high school and went the USMAPS route to USMA. Had no issues with Beast or academics. Resigned half way through first semester of plebe year. To this day I do not know why. I can recall as we drove out the main gate thinking that I had made a huge mistake. I was right. Even thought about reapplying but figured they would never take me back. Went on to graduate from a very respectable school (William & Mary) and began a career of traveling and working in some some interesting places around the globe. By any measure, I have been successful. To this day, I regret leaving. I let my classmates down, I let my family down but most of all, I let myself down.
 
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