This is why fitness matters

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StowieJ said:
I personally know what it's like to have that pack feel like it's crushing you. On the third day, with half the amount of oxygen you need to survive.
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In that case, you should be dead.

This isn't a place for you to impose your dominance on younger members. (Even if it is, who cares.) You don't need to shove being physically strong, warrior hearted, and go get'em down anyone's throat.
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Bull is a longstanding member here who knows of what he speaks. You've been here for a week or two
 
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scoutpilot said:
What? Next you'll tell me a 180 on my PT test isn't good enough!
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*she exceeded it.

That's what the whole 13.5 minute thing is about. She used about 94% of her allotted time. Where is the problem with that? They say 3:00:00 she does 2:46:30 to me that seems like she did exceed it.

What's the cutoff for that you consider exceeding?

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MedB said:
So can one of the people on this board who have passed this particular course please post the alternate requirements that the Army has established for officers vs enlisted? Thanks in advance.
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I don't know your knowledge or background, but think of the EFMB as the medical version of the EIB (Infantry). "IF" a Soldier gets a chance to compete for the badge, it is an outward representation of field medical competence.

Conversely, the CMB is an outward representation of medical personnel who have performed the same/similar EFMB tasks in a combat situation under fire. A CMB awardee cannot wear their EFMB (if earned) at the same time. Many will elect to only wear the CMB in lieu of the EFMB
 
scoutpilot said:
In that case, you should be dead.


Bull is a longstanding member here who knows of what he speaks. You've been here for a week or two ...
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Thank you for your remarks .... You can survive with very little oxygen over a few hours time...


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MabryPsyD said:
I don't know your knowledge or background, but think of the EFMB as the medical version of the EIB (Infantry). "IF" a Soldier gets a chance to compete for the badge, it is an outward representation of field medical competence.

Conversely, the CMB is an outward representation of medical personnel who have performed the same/similar EFMB tasks in a combat situation under fire. A CMB awardee cannot wear their EFMB (if earned) at the same time. Many will elect to only wear the CMB in lieu of the EFMB
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It is similar in concept to the EIB, in so far as it's an assessment of skills. The old saying of its 11-series counterpart is "One for the skill (EIB) and one for the kill (CIB)." It's not uncommon to see soldiers elect to wear the EIB now, since it's much more rare than the CIB. I'm sure that will change back shortly.
 
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Okay folks stay on track and let's avoid personal attacks. When I get a chance I will be going through and editing some of the above responses.

If we can't keep some form of civility in the thread then I will have to close it.

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To answer the question of "where did she not exceed?"...

The point of the 15-minute standard for the ruck march is not arbitrary. Most soldiers can actually move much faster than a 15-minute pace. The pace is purposefully established with two main goals in mind: to move over long stretches of terrain at a pace that is sustainable for all physically fit soldiers on acceptable rations and to do so in a manner that conserves energy to continue the fight thereafter. The point is to arrive after 12 miles ready to function and achieve mission success. If your fitness level is such that you collapse at mile 11.9, can't stand up straight, stumble to mile 12, and can't properly carry your weapon at the low ready, have you actually met the standard? Or have you simply met a time?

Moreover, do you think any of the soldiers with her would have looked at her, as a commissioned leader, and said "She's ready to lead us right now."? That's why we have officers. And the idea that those soldier skills don't apply to "non-combat" MOS's is how you end up with a maintenance company lost in the sauce in Iraq and a girl named Lynch in Iraqi hands.

Standards are more than a clock time. Officers are more than their MOS (AOC).
 
StowieJ said:
The point is she made it... If she had three hours to make an extraction, she would have made it with 13 minutes to spare. It's not about whether she was ever going to be a ranger, going above and beyond what is physically expected of people. She made it, and in my perspective it doesn't matter that she struggled the last few steps. This ruck wasn't about being an elite soldier, or performing the duties of a medical practitioner in combat. It was about making the 3 hour cutoff.

Everything has a context, and should be viewed within its context. Sure, it would have been better, and she would have save a he'll of a lot of embarrassment, had she not losses her footing, took a second to recoup, stood up tall and not fallen over, and walked to the line. It's not what happened, but within this context, she is fine. Everybody just needs to calm down. Take a relaxative.

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Luckily, and I mean that respectfully as you embark towards officership, you have a few years before you join this officer corps, and are able to grow and learn before then, because if you enter one of the "combat arms" of the army your current mindset will lead you to failure. And the soldiers you might lead in these branches won't care what context you view it in as they are laughing in your face as you struggle to shoulder a ruck, break track, load a M107, or hump a base plate. And if you're not in one of those branches, you're still an officer and will still be expected to lead from the front, regardless of your specialty. Don't take this as an attack, I bet your viewpoint changes in a few years, or atleast I hope it does. Mine did too.

But I do strongly suggest checking the way you talk to people that you're not even experienced enough to carry dirty gym socks for, and I'm not talking about me. Two people in this thread that have countered your points have been in the game for quite some time, and they aren't college kids, but senior officers. Disagreeing is one thing, being a tool is another.
 
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scoutpilot said:
It is similar in concept to the EIB, in so far as it's an assessment of skills. The old saying of its 11-series counterpart is "One for the skill (EIB) and one for the kill (CIB)." It's not uncommon to see soldiers elect to wear the EIB now, since it's much more rare than the CIB. I'm sure that will change back shortly.
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Very True, I had this exact conversation with my son. The CIBs were so rare prior to 9/11. Many now elect/choose to wear the EIB. Hopefully the CIB becomes rare again.
 
NorwichDad said:
Very True, I had this exact conversation with my son. The CIBs were so rare prior to 9/11. Many now elect/choose to wear the EIB. Hopefully the CIB becomes rare again.
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Yes, I think it will. It'll likely become a discriminator, too.
 
Folks, this thread has run its course and everyone has stated/defended his/her views numerous times and in numerous ways. Thus, I'm closing the thread.

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