U.S. Moving Navy Ships / Aircrafts Closer to Israel

Walman888 said:
That would be a VERY hasty response. Let the tenant handle his own business as he is more than capable of doing and render all reasonable assistance upon request. It is in our best interest to help to weaken the aggressors in this fight and to help a long time ally. The heavy lifting is not ours to do on the ground.
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... non Concur.
Israel (and Ukraine) lacks the resources and capabilities to conduct a lightning war. Intel, critical during the Fog of War, was literally sleeping during hamas' H-hour. (same for UKRAINE, 24 hours before the Russian invasion, the Ukrainian President was still telling the media that the war was not imminent). Currently the Israel Defense Force (IDF) resorted to the past millinium, 1,950 years ago to be exact, siege warfare in the Gaza Strip. The Siege of Masada, 72 - 73 CE, one of the final events in the First Jewish - Roman War. What's needed in Gaza is a parachute vertical insertion from 500 feet above ground level (AGL) by 1st Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment. At 500 feet, there's no need to bring an emergency reserve parachute because there's no time to deploy. At the most animalistic instinct your sending a message to the girly hamas that you have a bigger Vols and you're coming to cut his head off. Lightning strikes training are routine at the joint training centers: National Training Center (NTC), Fort Irwin, CA; Joint Readiness Training Center (JRTC), Fort Johnson, LA; Joint Multinational Readiness Center (JMRC), Hohenfels, Germany.
Last lightning parachute assault occurred on 25 October 1983, Operation Urgent Fury, Grenada Invasion. Rangers chuted-up while in-flight around 0400 hours and exited the C-130 aircraft, 0534 hours at 500 feet AGL while 12.7mm four-barrel anti-aircraft machine gun spewing green tracers across the sky.
 
severn said:
To end this madness in 24 hours, have Delta and the 75th Ranger Regiment conduct a vertical insertion in Gaza Strip to conduct direct actions and hostage rescue.
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severn said:
What's needed in Gaza is a parachute vertical insertion from 500 feet above ground level (AGL) by 1st Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment. At 500 feet, there's no need to bring an emergency reserve parachute because there's no time to deploy.
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Have you looked at a street map of Gaza? It looks like Queens without JFK and LaGuardia. However, it is filled with tunnels and warrens built over years for smuggling, weapons production and otherwise evading Israeli sanctions and detection.

I don't doubt the courage and skill of the RR, but your plan has Fallujah and Mogadishu written all over it.
 
severn said:
... non Concur.
Israel (and Ukraine) lacks the resources and capabilities to conduct a lightning war. Intel, critical during the Fog of War, was literally sleeping during hamas' H-hour. (same for UKRAINE, 24 hours before the Russian invasion, the Ukrainian President was still telling the media that the war was not imminent). Currently the Israel Defense Force (IDF) resorted to the past millinium, 1,950 years ago to be exact, siege warfare in the Gaza Strip. The Siege of Masada, 72 - 73 CE, one of the final events in the First Jewish - Roman War. What's needed in Gaza is a parachute vertical insertion from 500 feet above ground level (AGL) by 1st Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment. At 500 feet, there's no need to bring an emergency reserve parachute because there's no time to deploy. At the most animalistic instinct your sending a message to the girly hamas that you have a bigger Vols and you're coming to cut his head off. Lightning strikes training are routine at the joint training centers: National Training Center (NTC), Fort Irwin, CA; Joint Readiness Training Center (JRTC), Fort Johnson, LA; Joint Multinational Readiness Center (JMRC), Hohenfels, Germany.
Last lightning parachute assault occurred on 25 October 1983, Operation Urgent Fury, Grenada Invasion. Rangers chuted-up while in-flight around 0400 hours and exited the C-130 aircraft, 0534 hours at 500 feet AGL while 12.7mm four-barrel anti-aircraft machine gun spewing green tracers across the sky.
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Well, thank you for that.
 
cb7893 said:
Have you looked at a street map of Gaza? It looks like Queens without JFK and LaGuardia. However, it is filled with tunnels and warrens built over years for smuggling, weapons production and otherwise evading Israeli sanctions and detection.

I don't doubt the courage and skill of the RR, but your plan has Fallujah and Mogadishu written all over it.
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... yes, I was in Fallujah. My fellow Captain from Delta Company took one in the chest and the Command Sergeant Major took one in the head.
...yes I Google Map Gaza.
That's the point in jumping over the rooftops; fastroping will eliminate the element of surprise due to noise and prop blast. If I'm still on Active Duty I'd volunteer to do it.
 
severn said:
... yes, I was in Fallujah. My fellow Captain from Delta Company took one in the chest and the Command Sergeant Major took one in the head.
...yes I Google Map Gaza.
That's the point in jumping over the rooftops; fastroping will eliminate the element of surprise due to noise and prop blast. If I'm still on Active Duty I'd volunteer to do it.
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Jumping into a dense urban area sounds like a good way to attrit 20% of your own force in 5-10 minutes...
 
I’m not military or prior military. I’ve watched a lot of documentaries and read a lot of books written by those who have been there.

I respect @severn ’s passion related to the hostages and the desire to act and make good things happen.

If I’m honest, I told my husband today they are gone. There is no way to save them considering how their captors will keep them as shields and dispose of them for their own sick reasons. I just don’t see how a good ending can happen for the hostages.

I do think Israel will not stop or back down until the threat from Hamas is over. I do have doubts that in pursuing this we may see a new generation of Hamas formed. It feels inevitable. It feels that the extremists are built over and over while those who are targeted defend themselves.
 
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... so I'm signing off, I just don't understand how ---->
R E M F (s) can argue against a lightning strike directed at vile animals who are killing infants and the elderly.

For me to go through the back and forth will get me banned. No worries I'll be sayonara after '26 Graduation.
Note: Google Search REMF, plural REMFS.
Hasta La Vista Baby.
 
severn said:
... so I'm signing off, I just don't understand how ---->
R E M F (s) can argue against a lightning strike directed at vile animals who are killing infants and the elderly.

For me to go through the back and forth will get me banned. No worries I'll be sayonara after '26 Graduation.
Note: Google Search REMF, plural REMFS.
Hasta La Vista Baby.
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Charming indeed.
 
Humey said:
What Israel needs to is not worry about what Iran, the UN and the ICJ which will eventually do in penalizing Israel for defending itself and ignoring what Hamas has done.
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I'd like to think that the U.S. is bringing forces to the region to deter any further action by Iran (or its allies) until Israel finishes what is necessary in Gaza and/or the "West Bank" and/or Lebanon (Hezbollah) and possibly sets its sights in the direction of Iran. And, I hope that Israel takes whatever steps are needed to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of the Mullahs in Iran. Strategically, that is not just Israel's problem. The barbaric nature of what went on over the weekend requires action on that front. As for the UN and ICJ, the bias there is ridiculous. The United States and our allies should provide any necessary diplomatic support at the UN and ICJ. But, those bodies are not honest brokers and will, in the end, support the terrorists. We can see that beginning already. As for the notion of a two state solution, I have my doubts that there is a party with whom Israel could deal that would not create a state that would be a jumping off point for future terrorist attacks.

I do worry that the US will see terrorism similar to what Israel experienced over the weekend at home. And, this is partly why I think it is critical that we support any efforts Israel takes. And, to @severn's posts above, I agree with the sentiment. I just have no basis for weighing in on whether the options he describes are realistic. @severn, on the other hand, has described his own basis. I take that at face value. Thanks @severn!

Heatherg21 said:
It feels that the extremists are built over and over while those who are targeted defend themselves.
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Every time terrorists/barbarians appear, the US must destroy them. We can't treat them as legitimate in any way. And, to the extent, that we are seeing rallies (or the like) in support of Hamas and the actions it took, the people who are attending and supporting these terrorists should be targeted as enemies (of the US). If they are not US citizens, they don't belong in the US. If they are US citizens, we have an even bigger problem. Legitimate dissent and politics are one thing but support for terrorists is something else.

Referring to Hamas as "militants" as opposed to terrorists in the face of last weekend, tells us a lot about someone's character. A willingness to look the other way in the context of what occurred is not, in my view, acceptable. Adjustments to approaches need to take reality into account.

Sorry if this post veers off the rules of engagement on SAF. From my perspective, I think the site is best used to help candidates for SAs, ROTC, and OCS(-like) programs advance their ability to serve. But, what I saw over the weekend deserves to be addressed! Making light of it doesn't sit well with me.
 
severn said:
... non Concur.
Israel (and Ukraine) lacks the resources and capabilities to conduct a lightning war. Intel, critical during the Fog of War, was literally sleeping during hamas' H-hour. (same for UKRAINE, 24 hours before the Russian invasion, the Ukrainian President was still telling the media that the war was not imminent). Currently the Israel Defense Force (IDF) resorted to the past millinium, 1,950 years ago to be exact, siege warfare in the Gaza Strip. The Siege of Masada, 72 - 73 CE, one of the final events in the First Jewish - Roman War. What's needed in Gaza is a parachute vertical insertion from 500 feet above ground level (AGL) by 1st Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment. At 500 feet, there's no need to bring an emergency reserve parachute because there's no time to deploy. At the most animalistic instinct your sending a message to the girly hamas that you have a bigger Vols and you're coming to cut his head off. Lightning strikes training are routine at the joint training centers: National Training Center (NTC), Fort Irwin, CA; Joint Readiness Training Center (JRTC), Fort Johnson, LA; Joint Multinational Readiness Center (JMRC), Hohenfels, Germany.
Last lightning parachute assault occurred on 25 October 1983, Operation Urgent Fury, Grenada Invasion. Rangers chuted-up while in-flight around 0400 hours and exited the C-130 aircraft, 0534 hours at 500 feet AGL while 12.7mm four-barrel anti-aircraft machine gun spewing green tracers across the sky.
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Or we just stay out of it. Obviously, Hamas's incursion was barbaric and needs to be dealt with. The region has a complex history and thousands of Israelis and well as those trapped in Gaza will die because of their actions.

There has never really been a way out of that place even in times of peace, it's a death trap with 40% of the population under 18 and one of the highest population densities in the world.
 
severn said:
... so I'm signing off, I just don't understand how ---->
R E M F (s) can argue against a lightning strike directed at vile animals who are killing infants and the elderly.

For me to go through the back and forth will get me banned. No worries I'll be sayonara after '26 Graduation.
Note: Google Search REMF, plural REMFS.
Hasta La Vista Baby.
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Edgy boomer vibes here.
 
Hmmm. If I’m China, I would certainly have the thought that now is the time for Taiwan. I hope not. Although I have hope that the Chinese would not engage in the pure evil of Hamas. It saddens me that some people in this country think killing babies, children and the disabled are justified. I wonder also if the tendency of late to negotiate for the return of those held by those hostile to us has encouraged more hostage taking. While I feel on an individual level for those desperate for the return of a loved one, it just seems that negotiation and deals perpetuate the problem. Our leaders are being very careless with border security. Wanting orderly, secure immigration in light of our aging populace does not mean one is racist. That is just a false equivalency.
 
cb7893 said:
O-3 in Fallujah in 2004? I don't think that's boomer vintage.
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Agreed. Categorically, I may not always agree with @severn but, in terms of tactical engagement, I’m not going to ever argue with him. I’m also never going to belittle him, given the small snapshot of which I am aware with regards to his service.
 
jbm2m said:
Agreed. Categorically, I may not always agree with @severn but, in terms of tactical engagement, I’m not going to ever argue with him. I’m also never going to belittle him, given the small snapshot of which I am aware with regards to his service.
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I think it's more that the tactical considerations are of the least concern right now. There's many ways to skin that cat, but the theater and strategic implications are far more concerning.

If we don't go at this carefully, we will win like we won against the Taliban. Unless we can guarantee we will obliterate every memory of Hamas and all of their friends, it's not about ending anything in 24 hours.

If the IDF starts dropping discrimination from their retaliatory strikes (as they have done before) I'm not sure we'd be so supportive of that either.
 
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nuensis said:
I think it's more that the tactical considerations are of the least concern right now. There's many ways to skin that cat, but the theater and strategic implications are far more concerning.

If we don't go at this carefully, we will win like we won against the Taliban. Unless we can guarantee we will obliterate every memory of Hamas and all of their friends, it's not about ending anything in 24 hours.

If the IDF starts dropping discrimination from their retaliatory strikes (as they have done before) I'm not sure we'd be so supportive of that either.
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I’m not disagreeing with you. And I’m not saying @severn is entirely correct either. My statement was directed more at the flippant comments directed at him. Disagree all you want (I actually do, btw), but that man has earned the respect to not be mocked for voicing his thoughts on something in which he has experience.
 
jbm2m said:
I’m not disagreeing with you. And I’m not saying @severn is entirely correct either. My statement was directed more at the flippant comments directed at him. Disagree all you want (I actually do, btw), but that man has earned the respect to not be mocked for voicing his thoughts on something in which he has experience.
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While I don't disagree with you, respect runs both ways. Because someone disagrees with severns position does not give him the right to simply dismiss it with REMF comments, followed by the condescending "Google it".
 
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