U.S. Moving Navy Ships / Aircrafts Closer to Israel

nuensis said:
If the IDF starts dropping discrimination from their retaliatory strikes (as they have done before) I'm not sure we'd be so supportive of that either.
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First, (if your post was meant to say that the IDF has a history of indiscriminate bombing) it is false that the IDF has dropped bombs indiscriminately in the past. On the contrary, Israel targets facilities used for terrorism. Hamas has always used the Palestinian population as human shields in violation of international law. This is true regardless of the nonsense spouted by the international community, UN, and NGOs. To them, Israel is not legitimate. Second, there will be false claims of indiscriminate retaliatory strikes. Not surprisingly, these claims began even before Israel fired a single shot. At first, we can expect these claims to be made by anti-semites who devalue Jewish life. Then, we can expect these claims to be parroted by a media that allows for anti-Semitic tropes. Then, the general public will buy into the efforts to falsely portray Israel and brand them as a country that lacks legitimacy. The morality of eradicating terrorists is pretty simple notwithstanding efforts to paint Hamas with a different brush. Israel’s survival and probably the survival of the Jewish People is dependent on its ability to defend itself. With that called into question by this past weekend’s events, we should expect one of the most severe and complete responses ever to terrorism. It is worth noting that the President of the United States and National Security Advisor were clear in green lighting such an approach by Israel. This may have signaled a significant policy change. But, time will tell. As for any direct involvement by the US in the hostilities, at least openly, that would be a departure from past practice. I don't necessarily expect the same. But, since this attack was different in scope and nature, there are numerous US citizens who were victims of the attack, and Iran appears to be more directly involved, I would not be terribly surprised to see the US take a more direct role. To @severn's point, in this and another thread, there is likely a proper place for US involvement in this conflict. The notion that Israel should be on its own in a response to this type of terrorism seems misplaced. And, the movement of our armed forces and rapid delivery of supplies signals that US leadership has quickly recognized that Israel should be able to rely on the US.
 
Goat 965 said:
While I don't disagree with you, respect runs both ways. Because someone disagrees with severns position does not give him the right to simply dismiss it with REMF comments, followed by the condescending "Google it".
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In all fairness, I was too lazy to google REMF. My bad.
 
severn said:
... so I'm signing off, I just don't understand how ---->
R E M F (s) can argue against a lightning strike directed at vile animals who are killing infants and the elderly.

For me to go through the back and forth will get me banned. No worries I'll be sayonara after '26 Graduation.
Note: Google Search REMF, plural REMFS.
Hasta La Vista Baby.
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With a non-SAF attitude/comments like this...you will not be missed.

Opinions...well, I'm sure you've heard the line. I have a different perspective, brought on by 33 years of service and fighting in several "mini wars." I'm a realist to know that what my heart wants to do is NOT going to happen. I don't post it because, frankly, it brings no value to the discussion.

While I admire your passion, I do not condone your approach to others in this forum; especially your last comment. Neither do I approve of flippant comments directed toward you, for any reason, by the disagreement of others.
 
Well we know who never served in the military if they are just finding out what a REMF is :) I would have thought everyone would have known what that term was.

It’s either said as a sharp attack or a joke. It’s never a complement.
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
Well we know who never served in the military if they are just finding out what a REMF is :) I would have thought everyone would have known what that term was.

It’s either said as a sharp attack or a joke. It’s never a complement.
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I had never heard it either, but I think it can also be the normal grumbling that takes place in every workplace. I know I did it working as the lowest level shovel jockey on construction sites during college summers. "Look at him sitting in that air conditioned pickup drinking a cold coke."

The more important point is that the overwhelming vast majority of of SA/xROTC aspirants tuned into this site will end up being REMFs, just like my DS when he commissioned. It's the nature of the military.

Even more important, those Rangers, Marine Raiders, SEALs and other assorted Bada$$es won't drop from the sky or storm any beach without the active critical involvement of all kinds of REMFs.
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
Well we know who never served in the military if they are just finding out what a REMF is :) I would have thought everyone would have known what that term was.

It’s either said as a sharp attack or a joke. It’s never a complement.
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I knew it from the Vietnam books I read long ago. :)
 
cb7893 said:
I had never heard it either, but I think it can also be the normal grumbling that takes place in every workplace. I know I did it working as the lowest level shovel jockey on construction sites during college summers. "Look at him sitting in that air conditioned pickup drinking a cold coke."

The more important point is that the overwhelming vast majority of of SA/xROTC aspirants tuned into this site will end up being REMFs, just like my DS when he commissioned. It's the nature of the military.

Even more important, those Rangers, Marine Raiders, SEALs and other assorted Bada$$es won't drop from the sky or storm any beach without the active critical involvement of all kinds of REMFs.
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Every grunt knows how important the pogs (people other than grunts) are. They are critically important often more important than someone on the tip and under fire .Besides pogs can often not be a remf. While an 0311 can be one.

The meat and potatoes of enlisted USMC forums :)

IMO the single most important award in general , sailors and Marines have or do not have , is the CAR.
 
jbm2m said:
Agreed. Categorically, I may not always agree with @severn but, in terms of tactical engagement, I’m not going to ever argue with him. I’m also never going to belittle him, given the small snapshot of which I am aware with regards to his service.
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This goes both ways. I expect someone with this experience to show more reserve. At least that's been my experience with guys who know their stuff and have been there.

The comment about "REMF" is especially egregious and belittling. I am in anesthesia and if a combat MOS/AOC thinks they can get along without me, I'd like to see them try.
 
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Aglahad said:
This goes both ways. I expect someone with this experience to show more reserve. At least that's been my experience with guys who know their stuff and have been there.
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See response from yesterday - I repented. I’m eating crow. I should’ve googled REMF prior to saying anything. My bad
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
IMO the single most important award in general , sailors and Marines have or do not have , is the CAR.
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Most sailors would go for the Sea Service Deployment Ribbon. . . More stars brings more respect.

Even the "candy" like the National Defense Medal has cachet when it is multi award. . . mine had two stars
 
OldRetSWO said:
Most sailors would go for the Sea Service Deployment Ribbon. . . More stars brings more respect.

Even the "candy" like the National Defense Medal has cachet when it is multi award. . . mine had two stars
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Good point. Most of my Navy time was spent with Marines.
 
dddad said:
First, (if your post was meant to say that the IDF has a history of indiscriminate bombing) it is false that the IDF has dropped bombs indiscriminately in the past.
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Discrimination is a specific term I shouldn't have used. I have no idea what their targeting process looks like.

Let's call it significant collateral damage. Intent is fine, result is what matters.
 
nuensis said:
Discrimination is a specific term I shouldn't have used. I have no idea what their targeting process looks like.

Let's call it significant collateral damage. Intent is fine, result is what matters.
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Don’t enemies use civilian areas to launch attacks from? Or to store weapons and ammo or hostages in hospitals, schools etc?
 
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