Universities with Pilot/Aviation programs and ROTC

Discussion in 'ROTC' started by ArmyVet, Mar 20, 2016.

  1. ArmyVet

    ArmyVet Member

    Mar 19, 2016
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    I'd like to start collecting a list of universities for my son to consider that offer good Aviation/Aeronautical/Aerospace programs AND flight training with ROTC programs.

    At this point we aren't partial to a branch...would like to see all our options.

    If you want to copy and paste your contributions...that would be great!



  2. Jcc123

    Jcc123 5-Year Member

    Apr 19, 2010
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    Middle Tennessee State University. Not only do they beat Michigan State in basketball, they also offer a pretty comprehensive range of aerospace, flying, UAV programs, and Army ROTC.

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  3. noketchup

    noketchup Member

    Nov 23, 2015
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    For AFROTC Det 195, you can do one of two routes.

    The home school IIT has an Aeronautical Engineering program.
    Lewis University (crosstown school) offers a flight program, and is one of the better flight programs in the country. Lots of cadets in that program, all of them love it.
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  4. AJC

    AJC Member

    Dec 1, 2014
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    Purdue has many aviation related majors.
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  5. AF4Life

    AF4Life Member

    Mar 12, 2016
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    Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University Daytona Beach, FL Det-157

    Great school for aviation, AFROTC unit puts out the most pilots second to only USAFA.

    Private school, making it pricey, however if your child has a competitive academic record the school does make tuition reasonable. Especially if on a service branch scholarship.

    Feel free to PM for more info on the AFROTC Scholarship process or ERAU. Best of Luck!
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  6. Pima

    Pima 5-Year Member

    Nov 28, 2007
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    For AFROTC, that statement is something ERAU always tout, but is misleading. Yes, by sheer numbers this is true, BUT by statistics they are at the national average. The thing is the det. is soo large. Thus, it should not impo be placed on the list, you love the school and can afford it without a scholarship.
    ~ Statistically ERAU is on the national avg for Summer Field Training (SFT). No SFT = loss of scholarship and no chance for commissioning.

    If you want to fly as a pilot, than ask the really important question...Percentage of cadets that are selected for UPT. My DS attended UMDCP, he got UPT, and their rate was 100% during a year where it was 93% nationally. ERAU was 93%. Just saying, that just because ERAU does indeed offer the 2nd highest number, does not mean it is a better choice when you look at your chances. That same year, VT also had 100%.

    Most AFROTC units do not have flight training options like they do at USAFA. The majority of cadets get their PPL on their own dime.
    ~ Many AFROTC units do have a connection to flying clubs, but again it will be on your own dime.
    I would strongly suggest that if he wants to fly and has not yet taken a flight class at your local community airport than try that 1st. The amount of hours that they have in flight time logged will be part of his score for rated (Pilot) selection.

    If you need that scholarship to attend any university, understand that when they are awarded a scholarship it is assigned tech (STEM) or non-tech.
    1. You cannot switch from tech to non-tech without approval. If they decide once there they hate that major and want to switch it to let's say avaiation management. Aviation management may be viewed as non-tech, and they can say that you can't keep it if you want to change. Just because the word aviation is in the major does not necessarily mean it is a tech major.
    2. As stated earlier if not selected for SFT, chances are you will be disenrolled from AFROTC. Typically for SFT selection you will need an avg cgpa @3.0/3.1 SFT boards meet during the spring of their sophomore year. They will use the 1st 3 semesters cgpa. If they tank that 1st semester (2.5 gpa) it is going to be that much harder to get to that 3.0 marker.
    3. Overall the chances to be awarded a scholarship is 16-18%. Like NROTC, @80% will be awarded to Tech majors. For type 1 and 2 scholarships there is only about 200 awarded nationally, and maybe 50 will go to non-tech. See pt.1 about making sure HQ AFROTC sees that aviation degree as a tech major.

    For me, I would place VT at the top of the list if you can afford it without the scholarship. VT is an SMC. As a ROTC cadet, whatever branch, they will also be in the Corps of Cadets. They will do both ROTC and the Corps. They will live in the Cadet dorms. Obviously the university's name tells you they are known to for technical degrees, such as engineering. Their engineering program is not easy, so much so that the registrar sets up a desk in the engineering building during finals week because they have kids that decide to switch majors at a higher rate.

    Texas A & M would also be placed on my list for AFROTC because if they win a type 7 which is the bulk of scholarships, and get at least 1K in scholarships from TAMU, the school will consider them in state, thus even if you live in CA, you can use the type 7 all 4 years. Plus, that 1st hurdle of SFT selection is statistically a better chance because it is an SMC.
    ~ If not selected for SFT, and dis-enrolled from AFROTC, because they are in the Corps, he is still in state. SMCs have a great network from an employment aspect. Like VT, I consider them rabid when it comes to their own community. They aren't just another grad. They are a TAMU grad and will always support TAMU.

    I know the OP has stated that they aren't partial to a branch, but want a flying career. JMPO, but they really should place that into the equation.
    AFROTC rated = high chance of fixed wing. Helos are a very small part of their inventory. I mean very small, not every UPT class drops a helo. For AF pilots they are on the hook for 10 yrs., no leaving at the 4 year marker like the non-rated officers. It also means that they might not get pilot, but UAVs or CSO.
    NROTC rated = both fixed and rotor wing. However, the lifestyle means being on a boat...alot!
    AROTC rated = rotor (helo) with very little chance of fixed wing.

    Finally, impo leave our opinions at the door. To get to that pilot world the hurdle you need to be concerned with is the college. We could litter this thread with 1000 colleges, but the fact is part of college selection process is when they visit the school. I have 3 kids, and all of them would say they would have never attended the schools their siblings attend/attended. There is a vibe that they will feel on that campus.

    My best advice is simple.
    1. Investigate what he wants to fly.
    ~ If he says anything, I don't care as long as I get to be a pilot. Than ask him what is his gut saying if it is between an Apache for the Army and a F35 for the AF or Navy?
    ~~ Use the search tab here to find the poster Raimius. His signature is a blue link to his blog. It goes through life as a USAFA cadet and than life for AF pilot training. He actually also got Helo's
    2. When you do school tours, contact the ROTC units prior to attending. Ask the unit if your DS could meet up with upperclassmen cadets/mids with the same major and desired career field.
    ~ Do not attend this meeting, instead determine ahead of time where you will meet on campus after he does this. This accomplishes 2 things.
    ~~A. No dog and pony show. Just kids talking. ROTC students will be very respectful when the folks are around. Parents tend to be vocal and ask questions that the child doesn't really care about. It makes it more FORMAL.
    ~~~ We did this with our DS, and when we did he just hung in the det. lounge, played Xbox and talked openly and honestly about what mattered to him.
    ~~B. He will walk to wherever you decide by himself. Not in a pack like the school tours. He will be able to imagine life without you and him just being another student on campus. Students will not see him as a HS student on campus doing a tour, but just a peer.
    3. If you need that scholarship to pay, understand the differences.
    ~ A. AFROTC is NOT like A/NROTC. It is NOT a 4 year guarantee. It is a 2 +2. See above regarding SFT.
    ~ B. AFROTC does NOT superscore SAT/ACT like A/NROTC. It is best sitting.
    ~~ Avg ACT best sitting is between 29 and 31. I think the SAT best sitting is @1300.
    ~ C. AFROTC is like NROTC. There is no Guard or Reserve option typically. He will go Active Duty upon commissioning.
    ~ D. AFROTC does not TIE the scholarship to any school, unlike A/NROTC. They do not care if 1 unit has 100% of cadets on scholarship and another has 0%.
    ~~ A/NROTC does have a magic number for students on ROTC scholarships at each unit.
    ~ E. He will need to pass the DoDMERB exam. Each branch has their own qualifiers/dis-qualifiers. I.E. Navy and color vision deficiency is different than Army and Air Force for rated/pilots. Allergies, meds, etc. will be a player in this equation too.

    The one thing they all have in common is the % selected for scholarship is going to be around 16-18%. 95% of Service Academy candidates will apply for a ROTC scholarship as plan B, however, that is not true for ROTC candidates. 95% of them will not apply to an Academy as their plan B. USAFA does not talk to HQ AFROTC in Maxwell when awarding an appointment. Take the time, at least for AFROTC to look through candidate stats on USAFA from a chance me perspective.

    I hope my novella helps you as you start the process.
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2016
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  7. lcdrmom

    lcdrmom Member

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    Just as another input, my DS goes to ERAU in Prescott AZ. He really likes it. The school is small at only about 2200 students, and very limited in majors. Mostly engineering, flight, and global security. DS is an aero engineering major and definitely feels challenged in his classes. Prescott is a lovely town about two hours north of Phoenix. The det is fairly large, he has about 40 other Afrotc sophomores waiting with him to hear about sft. But the det is very active and they do lots of fun things. (He got to try an f15 flight simulator at Luke AFB last year)

    That being said he really should visit the schools and det as Pima suggested and get a feel for himself. It doesn't matter what the success of the detachment is for selection if you don't like the school or other cadets, you probably won't be successful. My son would've been lost in a big school but this one is a good fit for him YMMV.
  8. flying8764

    flying8764 Member

    Oct 24, 2015
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    Yes Purdue and so does Embry Riddle.
  9. Tiger91

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  10. BoneDust

    BoneDust Member

    Jul 22, 2014
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    Arizona State University
    AFROTC Detachment 025

    I'm in their Air Transportation Management program but they also have a Professional Flight and ATC program. It's a small but very successful program but can be a challenge to do with AFROTC. If you have any questions, shoot me a PM.

  11. Pima

    Pima 5-Year Member

    Nov 28, 2007
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    This is what I was talking about earlier regarding academic programs. How does HQ AFROTC see you... a tech or non-tech major?
    ~ I am going to ASSUME, and we all know what assume means, that when the word Management is tied to the major it will be non-tech.
    ~~ Chances drop drastically for a scholarship when it comes to tech vs. tech. 80-85% scholarships are tech.

    Now, that being said my DS is a pilot and he was a non-tech AFROTC tyoe 2 scholarship recipient. HQ AFROTC will demand a higher cgpa for non-tech than tech.

    It is great to go to a school that has a flight program, and it will help later on as a junior up for rated boards, but that is hurdle number 3.
    ~ Scholarship is #1. SFT/EA selection is #2.

    Armyvet, I would strongly suggest that you pay for some flight school hours so he can decide if his dream is a reality. I would not look at schools just because they have aviation programs where they can fly as a cadet or mid when it comes to the AF. AF and NROTC are STEM oriented. AROTC not so much.

    I cannot stress enough that you need to look very closely to every ROTC program if he wants to fly and the hurdles.
    ~Please look at Raimius's signature line. The 1st few pages are USAFA, but the rest is UPT life.
    ~ If his BEST SITTING SAT or ACT is lower than a 1280 or 28 than chances for a scholarship will drop drastically, especially if he is going non-STEM/Tech. A/NROTC will use superscore.

    Finally, if he is competitive academically, open up to the idea of USCGA for rated. USCG has both helos and fixed. Obviously no fighters, but their missions are just as important.

    Best wishes and hopes.
  12. ginko

    ginko Member

    Aug 3, 2014
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    Oklahoma State University

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