USMMA vs USNA

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Hello, I have been appointed to both academies. I want a career on the merchant marine, but I like more the majors offered by usna. Is there a way to go to usna and then transfer to the merchan marine? I am more inclined to usmma, but as I said I like more the majors (electrical and computer engineering) offered by usna. Please any advice you could give me?
 
Congrats on receiving both appointments! Two very different places, coming from someone who graduated from Kings Point and worked at USNA. USNA is bigger and designed to produce leaders. USMMA is a tech school that graduates mariners. Yes, you can go into the Navy from Kings Point. Yes, you can become a merchant mariner after your Navy commitment if you go to USNA (albeit not very common). There is no transfer, per se - rather, you would finish your commitment to the Navy and then apply for a job in the merchant marine (after acquiring the appropriate licenses to do so).
Personally, and it's been considered by others many, many times: if you are uncertain about active duty service, go to Kings Point to keep options open. On the other hand, if you are die hard committed to active duty as a Navy Officer or Marine, go USNA.
You are very fortunate to have this dilemma.
 
Hello, I have been appointed to both academies. I want a career on the merchant marine, but I like more the majors offered by usna. Is there a way to go to usna and then transfer to the merchan marine? I am more inclined to usmma, but as I said I like more the majors (electrical and computer engineering) offered by usna. Please any advice you could give me?
It’s time to refresh on the research you did before you applied. Both USNA and USMMA websites cover what is available and expected after graduation.

USNA is a DoD service academy whose graduates are on active duty as midshipmen and are expected to go to active duty in either the Navy or Marine Corps. Occasionally, a tiny handful may cross-commission into other armed services. That does not include merchant marine - and you would not be fully professionally prepared for that, much less have the CG license and sea year time. USMMA is a DOT asset whose graduates have a wide range of choices after graduation to meet their obligation, both merchant marine and military. The missions and requirements of USNA and USMMA are two very distinct paths.

After you complete your USNA OBLISERV, you can explore a merchant marine path. Of course, you can go active duty Navy or Marine out of USMMA.

Congratulations on your appointments. Did you apply to any of the state maritime universities, explore their majors, and note there is also an opportunity to be well-prepared for a merchant marine career?
 
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Engineering at USMMA is mostly mechanical with electrical thrown in. (As Cat MJ said, look closely at the catalog.) Son in law is now a first engineer with some electrical certifications and is the electrical officer on his present ship. Along the way one can partake of courses offered by the unions. Remember, if something electrical breaks down while at sea, there is no electrician around the corner. Someone on the ship needs to fix it. Guess who?
 
The movement from Navy to Merchant Marine is well covered at Military to Mariner. I know someone that accomplished the task and did well in the transfer process but they kept meticulous records of sea time while in the Navy. Because of his record keeping, the Coast Guard accepted his Navy sea time and allowed the individual to sit for his 3rd A/E license.
 
As others have said, USMMA and USNA have two different missions. USMMA’s is to produce mariners and USNA is to produce officers for the Navy and USMC. One big difference between the two is when training occurs. At USMMA, you are qualified to work on active vessels upon graduation. That necessitates majors that teach you shipboard skills (i.e. majors that lead to 3rd Mate or 3rd A/E licenses). At USNA, you attend follow-on training after graduation. It was 3.5 years after graduation before my first deployment.

Also, the Merchant Marine is very specialized. While the different branches have their distinct missions, the branches have a lot of capabilities and that requires a lot of different majors to accomplish them. The military has many jobs from engineer to accountants, and everything in between.

If you love the sea, you can’t go wrong with Kings Point. If you have a military itch down the line, it is an easy transition. Also, being a grad of KP doesn’t hold you back in any way. KP grads become doctors, lawyers, business executives, etc.
 
If you love the sea, you can’t go wrong with Kings Point. If you have a military itch down the line, it is an easy transition. Also, being a grad of KP doesn’t hold you back in any way. KP grads become doctors, lawyers, business executives, etc.
Expanding on "etc.", some have really aimed high and became astronauts (See & Kelly).
 
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My DS was considering all 3 sea going academies but at end, USMMA was first choice. Some of the reasons he preferred it was smaller school size, the full year of at sea training, the military and commercial options upon graduation and getting Coast Guard license at graduation. He always wanted Mechanical engineering so degree wasn’t as big of a deal. As a mechanical engineer myself, I can say he did a lot of the same course work I did and then just got into more specific course work like refrigeration systems and steam engines for ships. Hopefully you can take visits to both to get another piece of information to help you in your decision making. Good luck!
 
Remember there are only 5 majors at USMMA and 26 at Navy. If you are successful with your engineering courses you are in good shape but if you decide engineering is not for you you have very limited choices.
 
USMMA gives you options USNA does not.

You can go to USMMA and even a few years out decide to go active duty navy and do most anything you want in the Navy.
If you go to USNA, the only way to "switch" to the merchant marine is to first be a SWO and then figure out the USCG labyrinth for getting credit from you USN sea time towards a license ... not an easy feat. A computer engineering degree won't get you anywhere towards the merchant marine, electrical engineering might in today's climate of mariner shortages.

If you want to navigate both your best option is to go to USMMA, sail for MSC (quickest route to enough sea time to renew your license plus gives you a taste of Navy culture) then quit MSC and go AD Navy. At your 5 year mark after graduation you can renew your USCG license for another five years and then you have till year 10 post grad to decide if you want to back to the merchant marine or stay in the Navy. I would recommend going back to MSC at year 8 so you can get enough time to renew your license again at year 10.
 
The only NA grad I ever came across in the MM is Deatra Thompson '94. She was the 3rd mate on the Sealand Trader and I was the 2nd Engineer. I've since retired and she's currently sailing with Patriot Contract Services. We were both SWO's after she got out of Annapolis and after I got out of KP. Only difference was when I went back into the MM I already had my license and she had to take a more circuitous route even sailing unlicensed as an Able Seaman to get enough seatime to sit for the 3rd mates exam. Its doable but just a little more red tape to get your marine license outta USNA.
 
If you go to USNA, the only way to "switch" to the merchant marine is to first be a SWO and then figure out the USCG labyrinth for getting credit from you USN sea time towards a license ... not an easy feat. A computer engineering degree won't get you anywhere towards the merchant marine, electrical engineering might in today's climate of mariner shortages.

Hardly a labyrinth these days. There's a pretty defined plan for any SWO (Qualified OOD) to convert to 3/M and the USCG has a chat available to get information on it. Additionally, there's a defined way for someone with any engineering degree to convert to a 3AE license with seatime/exams. All available on the USCG website.

If you want to navigate both your best option is to go to USMMA, sail for MSC (quickest route to enough sea time to renew your license plus gives you a taste of Navy culture) then quit MSC and go AD Navy.
Sailing MSC does not give you a taste of the Navy culture. How does an MSC employee with limited internet access and an office that would like to keep them out at sea indefinitely even fulfill their reserve obligation much less work with a recruiter and complete the paperwork and requirements to switch designators/communities. Bottom line is if you do not follow the process starting at the beginning of 1/C Year, switching to AD Navy would be time consuming and definitely not guaranteed.

I would recommend going back to MSC at year 8 so you can get enough time to renew your license again at year 10.
License renewal can be done via BST/Firefighting Courses and an open book exam with NO SEATIME rather than ruining your life at MSC.
 
Having been on the USNA side of your question, the mission of USNA is to produce warfighting officers for USN & USMC. While having an engineering degree gives a leg up to Nukes (both subs & SWO), your academic major matters very little (if at all) as a Junior/Company Grade Officer.

The academic majors at USMMA seems to be more applicable to the needs of the maritime industry & are likely more relevant to a merchant deck and/or engineering officer.
 
I was an Engineer at KP and went SWO in the Navy and was assigned as the AUXO and later the MPA on a destroyer in San Diego so I was in my element. The odd thing I found is the Navy puts kids with English degrees down in the engine room and in charge of engineering divisions. My roommate who relieved me as AUXO was an Econ major at the Naval Academy and he was struggling at first but luckily he had me as his roommate. Our other roommate was a Vietnamese kid who was a licensed 3rd mate from Cal maritime and they put him in as the 1st Lt and he thrived in that capacity as he knew his way around ships deckwise. His shiphandling skills were amazing and he handled that destroyer like professional race car driver. The Old Man was mesmerized by him and he earned his SWO pin as an Ensign which is rare. He shortly became the navigator. We ran into eachother several years later after we got out of the Navy as 3rd mate and 3rd Engineer on the Tanker SS Overseas Chicago. The cool thing about Kings Point is if you decide to go active duty Navy especially as a SWO you will fit right in. You will probably see more KPers in the Navy than USNA guys in the Merchant Marine. The best part of KP is we make more money than all the Academy guys out the gate with that golden ticket we call a 3rd Mates or 3rd Engineers License. The lowest starting salary is with Military Sealift Command for a 3rd mate/3rd Engineer at $120K. With the Union contracted shipping lines the rate jumps up to $160K for a 3M/3E. Kings Point is kind of a hybrid trade school especially for engineers. Along with my engineering degree they taught us shop classes like welding, pipefitting, diesel engine maintenance, electrical switchgear operation and maintenance and HVAC. If you find yourself in the Navy as a KP engineer you'll find yourself able to do many things the enlisted technicians are able to do since on commercial ships there are no enlisted personnel and the officers essentially have to do the jobs that the enlisted would normally do on a Navy ship. I did enjoy my time as a SWO in the navy and I get to brag to my deckie classmates that I got to drive a destroyer as an OOD through the pirate infested waters of the Straits of Malacca with a 3rd Engineers License.:p
 
I was an Engineer at KP and went SWO in the Navy and was assigned as the AUXO and later the MPA on a destroyer in San Diego so I was in my element. The odd thing I found is the Navy puts kids with English degrees down in the engine room and in charge of engineering divisions. My roommate who relieved me as AUXO was an Econ major at the Naval Academy and he was struggling at first but luckily he had me as his roommate. Our other roommate was a Vietnamese kid who was a licensed 3rd mate from Cal maritime and they put him in as the 1st Lt and he thrived in that capacity as he knew his way around ships deckwise. His shiphandling skills were amazing and he handled that destroyer like professional race car driver. The Old Man was mesmerized by him and he earned his SWO pin as an Ensign which is rare. He shortly became the navigator. We ran into eachother several years later after we got out of the Navy as 3rd mate and 3rd Engineer on the Tanker SS Overseas Chicago. The cool thing about Kings Point is if you decide to go active duty Navy especially as a SWO you will fit right in. You will probably see more KPers in the Navy than USNA guys in the Merchant Marine. The best part of KP is we make more money than all the Academy guys out the gate with that golden ticket we call a 3rd Mates or 3rd Engineers License. The lowest starting salary is with Military Sealift Command for a 3rd mate/3rd Engineer at $120K. With the Union contracted shipping lines the rate jumps up to $160K for a 3M/3E. Kings Point is kind of a hybrid trade school especially for engineers. Along with my engineering degree they taught us shop classes like welding, pipefitting, diesel engine maintenance, electrical switchgear operation and maintenance and HVAC. If you find yourself in the Navy as a KP engineer you'll find yourself able to do many things the enlisted technicians are able to do since on commercial ships there are no enlisted personnel and the officers essentially have to do the jobs that the enlisted would normally do on a Navy ship. I did enjoy my time as a SWO in the navy and I get to brag to my deckie classmates that I got to drive a destroyer as an OOD through the pirate infested waters of the Straits of Malacca with a 3rd Engineers License.:p
Thanks very much for your insight!

I’m sharing this with my son who’s awaiting his admissions decision from all 3 maritime SAs.

My gut tells me that my son would get a better practical shipboard engineering education at USMMA that would better prepare him for the USN Nuclear Power Program than I originally thought!

Almost like USMMA is creating a hybrid JO/CWO with a very technical BS in engineering, which is a good thing - I learned more from WO/CWO as a 2nd/1st Lt than I could have possibly imagined when I was a MIDN.
 
Also, one may go in (to any collegiate experience) thinking they have “it all figured out” as far as what they want to do. All 4 of mine did. And all changed their paths. So have their friends that we’ve stayed in touch with. IOW, it’s common.

My friends son didn’t get a USNA offer of appointment. He did receive USNMMA. He planned to select Navy via USMMA. Changed his mind and is making a LOT of money in the maritime insdustry, only a few months post graduation.

USMMA has a lot to offer. They all do. You can’t go wrong either way! I tell kids, to be open to the journey. So far, so good!!
 
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Engineering at USMMA is mostly mechanical with electrical thrown in. (As Cat MJ said, look closely at the catalog.) Son in law is now a first engineer with some electrical certifications and is the electrical officer on his present ship. Along the way one can partake of courses offered by the unions. Remember, if something electrical breaks down while at sea, there is no electrician around the corner. Someone on the ship needs to fix it. Guess who?
We're basically glorified mechanics, electricians, plumbers, welders and HVAC techs rolled into one with an engineering degree.
 
Thanks very much for your insight!

I’m sharing this with my son who’s awaiting his admissions decision from all 3 maritime SAs.

My gut tells me that my son would get a better practical shipboard engineering education at USMMA that would better prepare him for the USN Nuclear Power Program than I originally thought!

Almost like USMMA is creating a hybrid JO/CWO with a very technical BS in engineering, which is a good thing - I learned more from WO/CWO as a 2nd/1st Lt than I could have possibly imagined when I was a MIDN.
If Navy Nuke is his goal, he'll be head and shoulders above his peers at Nuke school with a Marine engineering degree. Good luck.
 
I was an Engineer at KP and went SWO in the Navy and was assigned as the AUXO and later the MPA on a destroyer in San Diego so I was in my element. The odd thing I found is the Navy puts kids with English degrees down in the engine room and in charge of engineering divisions. My roommate who relieved me as AUXO was an Econ major at the Naval Academy and he was struggling at first but luckily he had me as his roommate. Our other roommate was a Vietnamese kid who was a licensed 3rd mate from Cal maritime and they put him in as the 1st Lt and he thrived in that capacity as he knew his way around ships deckwise. His shiphandling skills were amazing and he handled that destroyer like professional race car driver. The Old Man was mesmerized by him and he earned his SWO pin as an Ensign which is rare. He shortly became the navigator. We ran into eachother several years later after we got out of the Navy as 3rd mate and 3rd Engineer on the Tanker SS Overseas Chicago. The cool thing about Kings Point is if you decide to go active duty Navy especially as a SWO you will fit right in. You will probably see more KPers in the Navy than USNA guys in the Merchant Marine. The best part of KP is we make more money than all the Academy guys out the gate with that golden ticket we call a 3rd Mates or 3rd Engineers License. The lowest starting salary is with Military Sealift Command for a 3rd mate/3rd Engineer at $120K. With the Union contracted shipping lines the rate jumps up to $160K for a 3M/3E. Kings Point is kind of a hybrid trade school especially for engineers. Along with my engineering degree they taught us shop classes like welding, pipefitting, diesel engine maintenance, electrical switchgear operation and maintenance and HVAC. If you find yourself in the Navy as a KP engineer you'll find yourself able to do many things the enlisted technicians are able to do since on commercial ships there are no enlisted personnel and the officers essentially have to do the jobs that the enlisted would normally do on a Navy ship. I did enjoy my time as a SWO in the navy and I get to brag to my deckie classmates that I got to drive a destroyer as an OOD through the pirate infested waters of the Straits of Malacca with a 3rd Engineers License.:p
One of my 81 classmates, a deckie, went active duty Navy. They made him and engineer and he spent worked as one up until his retirement.
 
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