USNA Class of 2028 Waiting and Speculating

fleet_app8771 said:
Per OPNAVIST 1420.1B, there's 170 allowed slots under the SECNAV nomination, from what I've heard from these forums and my DH is that generally every year there are unfilled slots. For ex. there were only 59 prior-enlisted (only 3 directly from the fleet, rest were from Nuke School or priors that went to NAPs first) in the C/O 2027, according to the Class Portrait; the rest most likely goes to High School students sent to NAPs first. As to the the stats on priors with a SECNAV nom that don't receive an appointment: I'm unsure exactly but it's still possible to be turned down even if there is limited competition from the fleet. I know at least two priors that were turned down this year even with the SECNAV and CO's endorsement.

For context I applied out of High School for the C/O 2026 but failed to secure a nomination, so similar to your DS, I too was nauseated at the thought of the whole college process and simply didn't feel that NROTC was right for me so I decided to enlist to work towards re-applying for USNA. Enlisted-->USNA is not impossible by any means but defiantly has its own unique challenges. I believe most people aren't saying not to do it but simply warning you of the difficulties you may face. Will your Chain of Command support your application? What if you're underway, will you have time to work on your USNA application- especially when you're new and working on your quals? Etc. I would say "Choose your rate, choose your fate." From what I've seen CTs (intel jobs) and Nukes tend to be the majority of priors at USNA, but I could be wrong. I'd assume that's because those are more STEM type jobs and have challenging academic based "A" / "C" schools (training). Not saying there aren't other rates (jobs) that get accepted to USNA, but that CTs and Nukes tend to be the majority. If your DS decides to enlist, he should be aware that he may not be able to submit a USNA application right away, unless he goes Nuke as I believe they have many Sailors apply during their "A". I mention that because I spent over a year in "A"/"C" school and wasn't able to submit a USNA application till I reached my ultimate duty station. If USNA doesn't work out while you're enlisted, you can always submit a OCS or STA-21 package to earn a commission.

Ultimately, I believe enlisting has been instrumental to my development as a person and leader. Still waiting on word back from USNA this year, but I plan to apply again next year as enlisted if I don't receive an appointment this year. I'll avoid rambling on to much now, but feel free to PM if you have any questions or for my perspective.
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So here's a question...If OPNAVIST only allows for 170 slots, who are the remaining SECNAV noms going to? Are those discretionary that Annapolis used for athletes, or candidates they wanted but didn't have a nomination? Per the most recent class portrait, there were 460 under this nominating category.

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USMC Crayons said:
So here's a question...If OPNAVIST only allows for 170 slots, who are the remaining SECNAV noms going to? Are those discretionary that Annapolis used for athletes, or candidates they wanted but didn't have a nomination? Per the most recent class portrait, there were 460 under this nominating category.

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Sec noms also are for NAPsters who weren’t able to get a nom from their MOC/Senators
 
Noms are not the same numbers as appointments applied. For example, only 20 appointments can be assigned to ROTC noms each year. So, without the actual values of appointments applied, those nom numbers are just ones that are available to be used for appointment selection.
 
smokey% said:
The difference between a Midshipman and a Cadet is that the Midshipman was good enough to get into the Naval Academy...
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Not in a position to talk down of USNA because DS is likely to get TWE. However, in his experience, it was far much easier to pass USNA CFA.

He passed even without try ! He went to CWV was asked to do CFA and he passed. It took him 4 months to work on his West Point CFA -- he passed after 5th trial !

By the way, USMA really values his academics (SAT 1580 GPA 4.91 -- AP Calculus BC 5 completed as a sophomore) Please don't talk down of cadets
 
gniyji said:
Not in a position to talk down of USNA because DS is likely to get TWE. However, in his experience, it was far much easier to pass USNA CFA.

He passed even without try ! He went to CWV was asked to do CFA and he passed. It took him 4 months to work on his West Point CFA -- he passed after 5th trial !

By the way, USMA really values his academics (SAT 1580 GPA 4.91 -- AP Calculus 5 completed as a sophomore) Please don't talk down of cadets
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I am by no means talking down on Cadets, just poking some fun!
 
fleet_app8771 said:
I would say "Choose your rate, choose your fate." From what I've seen CTs (intel jobs) and Nukes tend to be the majority of priors at USNA, but I could be wrong. I'd assume that's because those are more STEM type jobs and have challenging academic based "A" / "C" schools (training). Not saying there aren't other rates (jobs) that get accepted to USNA, but that CTs and Nukes tend to be the majority.
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You may be right (I don't know one way or the other), but if it is right, it may not be for the reason you think it is. It may not have anything to do with USNA thinking they'll make the best students. Instead, it may be because those are the majority of enlisted personnel who apply, which is another way of describing what's called "selection bias." In fact, it wouldn't surprise me also to learn that infantry Marines do at least as well in the application process, but that their numbers are far fewer than the groups you reference. Just something to consider.
 
gniyji said:
Not in a position to talk down of USNA because DS is likely to get TWE. However, in his experience, it was far much easier to pass USNA CFA.

He passed even without try ! He went to CWV was asked to do CFA and he passed. It took him 4 months to work on his West Point CFA -- he passed after 5th trial !

By the way, USMA really values his academics (SAT 1580 GPA 4.91 -- AP Calculus BC 5 completed as a sophomore) Please don't talk down of cadets
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Not to be abrupt, but if your DS has those kinds of stats and did AP Calc BC in 10th grade, he should be beating suitors off with a stick. I personally know Math and Physics majors at MIT that didn't match those superlatives.
 
USMC Crayons said:
Not to be abrupt, but if your DS has those kinds of stats and did AP Calc BC in 10th grade, he should be beating suitors off with a stick. I personally know Math and Physics majors at MIT that didn't match those superlatives.
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In his magnet program, some middle school kids (8th grade) are taking Calculus BC (bus to high school).

Here is the proof
 

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gniyji said:
In his magnet program, some middle school kids (8th grade) are taking Calculus BC (bus to high school).

Here is the proof
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I didn't really need proof, was just saying how impressive those stats were. I will say this highlights the disparities in our educational system, the overwhelming majority of kids don't have access to programs like this.
 
By the way, he ordered his AP score to be sent to USNA long before his application because it was free to send one college before the test score released. USNA did not even offer him a Summer Seminar -- because it is too competitive.
 

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smokey% said:
The difference between a Midshipman and a Cadet is that the Midshipman was good enough to get into the Naval Academy...
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Well, guess that means you are between USAFA and USNA, huh? Either that or you are sufficiently confident in your anonymity! 🤣
 
gniyji said:
By the way, he ordered his AP score to be sent to USNA long before his application because it was free to send one college before the test score released. USNA did not even offer him a Summer Seminar -- because it is too competitive.
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Just so you know, NASS selection isn’t really based on grades… I know plenty of kids with very low GPA’s/SAT/ACT that went to NASS. It’s just a matter of space and not having enough spots for all applicants. Because your DS would’ve been WAY more then qualified
 
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