USNA Class of 2028 Waiting and Speculating

mols.cast8 said:
comparing people's timestamps for getting noms, CFA's etc is not going to help anyone out with deciding when they'll hear back. Nobody knows how they specifically go about it. Some people may have been in a less competitive slate, others in super competitive slates. You'll never fully know, so it's honestly not worth the time nor the effort. Trust me.
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Ihavenoidea said:
How is a list of candidates that broadcasts their inability to get a appointment to USNA encourage, inform, or assistance anyone in getting a appointment? Seems more like sad gossip that useful information just as stating high school "stats" and "accomplishments" has no bearing on chances of getting a appointment.

You will get a appointment notice or a turned down notice soon. Wither someone else did nor not will not effect that decision or make you feel better or worse when you get the decision.
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Mols I see what you mean. That said, certain trends can be observed. And honestly, I don't see how it would do any harm. Conversely, if an applicant knew TWE's were going out already and they were still pending I could see an applicant finding a little bit of hope there. As an applicant myself, with that 21st deadline approaching realistically I'm not expecting good news. That said, seeing other appointments still being put out there gives those who have been waiting this long hope. And if only taking into consideration the rejections, I know I've seen people go to DM's to compare stats and talk about this process. While measuring yourself against others in different states, or even districts doesn't accomplish anything, those different perspectives and accomplishments can help others in different areas learn of programs or see things from a perspective they had not before. Ihavenoidea, I am inclined to agree with the fact that "whether someone else or did not will not impact your admissions decision", however as for the second portion, I do think shared losses can dampen the blow, and shared wins can conversely, create excitement amidst that group.

Overall, you're both right, big scheme of things knowing the day after you submitted your app, or April 21st does not create a difference in the long run. With that said, we are on service academy forums, and all of these topics fit within the scope of what the forum is meant for.
 
USMCfam said:
Service academies are not antiquated. It is an extremely unique and personalized endeavor that has been happening for generations. Civilian colleges can use numbers, algorithms, etc to fill their seats. They are looking for students in programs, bodies in dorms, diversity on campus, and payees into their budgets. Service academies are choosing the future military officers to lead our armed forces in a variety of very specialized fields. They are looking for honor, duty, ethic, and excellence. Appointees raise their right hand and take the oath to serve their country on active duty from day one. It is not regular college.

So many posts on this forum are trying to reduce admissions chances to a numbers and rankings game. And while some of those metrics can be indicators, they are not deciding factors. The numbers just give some insight into what you know, how you learn, and what you’re ready for. It’s the interviews, recommendation letters, personal statements, and life experiences that flesh out the candidate. These are the things that help determine the leader they are and will be. Graduates of SAs leave their academies, commission, complete brief specialized schooling, and are immediately in leadership roles responsible for young lives, multi-million dollar equipment, and mission completion.

I think back to a young USNA grad who commissioned USMC. After OCS and moving to her first duty station, she immediately found herself deployed to Iraq in charge of a platoon of young Marines. On her very first mission they were hit by an IED and in an instant she was calling for cover, evacuating her wounded, recovering victims, and completing her mission. USNA and USMC were confident in the leader they chose, molded, and entrusted in that position. Her abilities depended on so much more than her GPA and ACT score. And USNA understands that and takes great care in creating each unique class every year. They honestly don’t care how civilian colleges do things.
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I really hope it is as romantic and high-minded as you describe, but I wonder if it is just lack of resources and adequate personnel. I don't think USNA really knows my kid beyond a bunch of stats. His BGO rated him Top 5% (yes, I know that for a fact), but that really seems to be fairly meaningless from everything I have seen and heard. Other than the BGO interview, to USNA, he is a resume and a very short essay. Again, I hope it is as you describe, but I am not sure.
 
Also remember that medical waivers aren’t generally sought by USNA Admissions unless an appointment is on the horizon.

The first indicator that our son was going to be offered an appointment to USMMA was the change on his DoDMERB portal to “Waiver Granted” by the approving authority for USMMA.

His was a single reason DQ across all commissioning programs. AMI was submitted & the requested outside consultation was completed. Waiver was subsequently granted by USAFA, USMMA, NROTC, ROTC, & AFROTC. USAFA was ironically the first program to pursue and grant the waiver, he later withdrew his application for USAFA.

At least we know that the requisite information is already resident in his DoDMERB file should USNA & USCGA move to the next step in the process (Wait Listed @ USCGA). NSI boat space is already locked on for NROTC.
 
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Ihavenoidea said:
How is a list of candidates that broadcasts their inability to get a appointment to USNA encourage, inform, or assistance anyone in getting a appointment? Seems more like sad gossip that useful information just as stating high school "stats" and "accomplishments" has no bearing on chances of getting a appointment.

You will get an appointment notice or a turned down notice soon. Wither someone else did nor not will not effect that decision or make you feel better or worse when you get the decision.
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I think some people like to have a lot of stuff to read while they are waiting even if it doesn’t necessarily mean anything in terms of chances or notification date. (Hmm I might be one of those types ;)?) I’m sure everyone has their own way of handling a TD … but if some want to share / post it might be nice to give them that option. And for those who find it depressing or just generally unhelpful or distasteful, they can choose not to read it, right?

Personally I don’t think there is any right or wrong way to share (or not share!) your SA journey and I’ve loved reading all of it! But I also think I’m cracking up a bit at this point so not sure if my opinion should count … 😂
 
futureusmcmom24 said:
I think some people like to have a lot of stuff to read while they are waiting even if it doesn’t necessarily mean anything in terms of chances or notification date. (Hmm I might be one of those types ;)?) I’m sure everyone has their own way of handling a TD … but if some want to share / post it might be nice to give them that option. And for those who find it depressing or just generally unhelpful or distasteful, they can choose not to read it, right?

Personally I don’t think there is any right or wrong way to share (or not share!) your SA journey and I’ve loved reading all of it! But I also think I’m cracking up a bit at this point so not sure if my opinion should count … 😂
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I don't disagree with you necessarily, but people that want to share and post their TD experiences already do that. We have seen it on this thread already. It happens every year most likely. I can also tell you that we will be entering a time where there will be alot more negativity then there is right now on this forum..It will get better after a few weeks, but it is going to get alot darker in the near future as turndowns roll in. My question is how does a list of people that got turned down make you feel better about waiting and getting a decision? Should it make you feel better? These are more rhetorical questions in my mind.
 
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rvrratt1 said:
Good morning from CA ~ just sharing my DS portal experience and I’m stumped in my tea leave reading. I’m the portal checker as he is currently emersed into military college life on PlanB NROTC-MO scholarship. He is the MOC’S primary and was Turned Down Monday morning, I didn’t say anything as he was completing FTX and frankly I want him to log in and or / receive the news via email himself. Well, being the portal checker I am, I just logged in and his status changed back to pending. Has this happened to anyone else?? (He is a reApplicant, waitlisted NAPS last year until mid June.)
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Mercury IS in retrograde - just sayin’! 💫
So cool it turned back to pending - keep us posted!!! Good luck!!
 
ARMARINE03 said:
Can you imagine the disappointment to get a TD from strictly a computer filtering "keyword" process?
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So, kind of like job applicants face at many many companies. In the case of USNA, at least you will get told that you've been turned down while many companies will just not respond or ghost applicants, even those who have been in for interviews.
 
Ihavenoidea said:
How is a list of candidates that broadcasts their inability to get a appointment to USNA encourage, inform, or assistance anyone in getting a appointment? Seems more like sad gossip that useful information just as stating high school "stats" and "accomplishments" has no bearing on chances of getting a appointment.

You will get a appointment notice or a turned down notice soon. Wither someone else did nor not will not effect that decision or make you feel better or worse when you get the decision.
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Okay, I am not going to produce this purge list -- simply to avoid having any possible negative impact on future applicants.
Howefver, I do think If the list contains useful/truthful information, it does help future applicants to understand what is like in the process and possible TD even with perfect stats. It may help those "I have ACT/SAT XXX and top in my class etc" to know -- that might not be good enough to get an appointment at all. It may also help some to formulate a realistic forward plan after TD.
 
Ihavenoidea said:
I don't disagree with you necessarily, but people that want to share and post their TD experiences already do that. We have seen it on this thread already. It happens every year most likely. I can also tell you that we will be entering a time where there will be alot more negativity then there is right now on this forum..It will get better after a few weeks, but it is going to get alot darker in the near future as turndowns roll in. My question is how does a list of people that got turned down make you feel better about waiting and getting a decision? Should it make you feel better? These are more rhetorical questions in my mind.
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Yeah I have seen from past years that it gets dark which is regrettable but also understandable. But I think - for me - a TD thread would give me a new group to bond with (maybe?). And, had one existed from last year, I would have liked looking at that along with the appointment, waitlist and naps lists to see sort of a sample snapshot of Oct-June. Instead, I weeded through the waiting forum to get a feel for the TD situation which definitely subjects one to the dark and stormy posts (which I’m fine with - but some may prefer to just look at a list). As of now it looks like only 3 of us would post on a TD list so may end up being a moot discussion anyway!
 
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When people post that "I am pending," it helps me remember that I am not the only one. I liked the quote, " They are sorting diamonds." NAVYALLTHEWAY, your daughter is a diamond and I appreciated hearing her stats. I would like to believe that I am a diamond as my stats are also very strong based on Class of 2027 Profile, and if I am turned down, I will consider sharing them. I would probably do so with anyone who DMs me. My state and district are that competitive.

I am unsure how I feel about the application process, as based on what I have read, it is not the same for everyone. I was not allowed to update my application in December as it was "with a board member," while others have shared that they were allowed to update it. I took the advice to submit early for Summer Stem, Summer Seminar, and my USNA application. I have yet to receive acceptance to anything besides a CVW.

Do not worry about me. My plan B is excellent at a SMC with NROTC. No matter what, Go Navy Beat Army.
 
Jonyq said:
First off I’m a parent so I’m not the one applying thank God! DS is relaxed calm and collected, along for the ride and enjoying the total experience. My perspective is different with older kids in college and going through that and my personal college experience vs. this. I’m not complaining, just my perspective. I’m sure the process is completely different than other major universities, be them competitive or not.
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I can see how it might seem the SAs are “antiquated,” but it’s not apples to apples comparison with a civilian college.

For four of the five SAs, there is the U.S. Code-directed nominations process that has to be matrixed in. Add in the DoDMERB medical evaluation and waiver process, and a CFA test, and the process as a whole is multiple times more complex than completing an application for a civilian school. The SAs are not just evaluating people for acceptance into a college degree program, but their fitness for serving, leading and being accountable and responsible for people, mission and things for at least 5 years on active duty in the Navy - so the admissions process is also an employment interview.

For the sake of the enlisted personnel they will one day lead and the 24/7/365 commitment they are making, including going in harm’s way, I think the SA Admissions approach this massive annual task with commitment, accumulated wisdom and a desire to look at each and every candidate with a 360 perspective, fairly. That takes awhile. And as the cycle draws down, there are always last-minute adjustments.
 
Capt MJ said:
I can see how it might seem the SAs are “antiquated,” but it’s not apples to apples comparison with a civilian college.

For four of the five SAs, there is the U.S. Code-directed nominations process that has to be matrixed in. Add in the DoDMERB medical evaluation and waiver process, and a CFA test, and the process as a whole is multiple times more complex than completing an application for a civilian school. The SAs are not just evaluating people for acceptance into a college degree program, but their fitness for serving, leading and being accountable and responsible for people, mission and things for at least 5 years on active duty in the Navy - so the admissions process is also an employment interview.

For the sake of the enlisted personnel they will one day lead and the 24/7/365 commitment they are making, including going in harm’s way, I think the SA Admissions approach this massive annual task with commitment, accumulated wisdom and a desire to look at each and every candidate with a 360 perspective, fairly. That takes awhile. And as the cycle draws down, there are always last-minute adjustments.
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I’m sure this is a massive undertaking. I’m sure peaking behind the curtain would be overwhelming
 
Imagine being in admissions. At the start of an application cycle you have around 30-40k students applying with only 1400ish seats open. By the Jan 31st deadline, that number will go down to around 4000 eager young man and woman who earned a nomination, all dedicated and committed to serving their nation. Some are awaiting medical waivers, ect. Theres NAPS, PREP, prior enlisted. It’s a hard puzzle for sure, as the government is “investing” in each midshipsman that attends Annapolis for the next 4 years, and then serving their country for the next 5-8. Way harder then civilian college admissions.
 
DS still pending in MN. Lots of running and lots of pull ups recently. He also decided to make a wakesurfing board in his engineering class. Regardless of application end result…his future is bright. Carpe diem.
 
blinkus said:
Imagine being in admissions. At the start of an application cycle you have around 30-40k students applying with only 1400ish seats open. By the Jan 31st deadline, that number will go down to around 4000 eager young man and woman who earned a nomination, all dedicated and committed to serving their nation. Some are awaiting medical waivers, ect. Theres NAPS, PREP, prior enlisted. It’s a hard puzzle for sure, as the government is “investing” in each midshipsman that attends Annapolis for the next 4 years, and then serving their country for the next 5-8. Way harder then civilian college admissions.
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Sorry for typos and ect im tired right now 😓
 
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