USNA player’s failed test causes ‘uproar’

The federal government is involved....they're called Naval officers....


Also, don't hop on to the "federal govt. should be involved" crutch, as the federal government likes to stay involved, and generally screw everything up once they've been invited in. Luckily the generally defer to the judgement of those who "know".
 
LineInTheSand said:
The federal government is involved....they're called Naval officers....


Also, don't hop on to the "federal govt. should be involved" crutch, as the federal government likes to stay involved, and generally screw everything up once they've been invited in. Luckily the generally defer to the judgement of those who "know".
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:rolleyes: Well lol, I meant to say as in government OFFICIALS. But I won't say more since I don't know anything about anyone "higher up" who could be involved in this.

Come on...you should have a bit more faith in our national government :smile:
 
Luigi - I [have inferred from your statements] that you hate D1 football but you still haven't explained the Admiral's motive for this. What does he personally have to gain by putting his career on the line?

MJOMom - absolutely correct. How many people were ready to lock those innocent kids away for life?

tpg - No one has officially gone on the record. I have not seen one quote from Capt Klunder. His stance was reported anonymously via an anonymous blog. Even Cpt Salamander refuses to reveal his identity.
Your point #3 - assuming this is correct, would it not also be correct for an Admiral? Or does one become corrupt in the transition from Captain to Admiral?
 
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MJOMom - absolutely correct. How many people were ready to lock those innocent kids away for life?
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Unlike an unproven or an-adjudicated case like at Duke, when the original allegations were made, this case has already happened - no one is disputing the facts, that the "kid" smoked the dope, that he tested positive for marijuana. No one is alleging that the "kid" is innocent, that he didn't use the drug. But if you are so naive to believe that a hollowed out Philly Panatela stuffed with marijuana, being passed around at a party was unknowingly sucked deeply into his lungs, and held long enough to show up positive on a drug test, then you are as gullible as the Supe. Trust me, every kid knows about blunts, and every kid is laughing at some of the things that can pulled over gullible parent's (and USNA officials) eyes.

The outrage, the uproar, the entire disgust is with THE SUPERINTENDENT. For letting the D1 football player remain after numerous conduct and honor violations, with no other explanation other than diversity or special treatment of revenue-producing athletes.

A two-tiered admission system is bad enough, now a two-tiered punishment system appears to be in place at USNA: one set of rules for a normal, everyday, non-D1 Mid, and one for the superstars who make money for the school.
 
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I think it is terrible that even at schools of this caliber athletes get special treatment. Unfortunately the attitude of entitlement that follow kids like this last their whole lives. I am glad I will never serve with this mid.
 
The following is a direct quote the USNA official web site:

"What is the Naval Academy's policy on alcohol and drug use?

As a future naval officer, you learn at the Naval Academy to drink in a responsible way, if at all, and to shun illegal drugs entirely. Normally, plebes are not allowed to consume alcoholic beverages except when of legal age and on leave away from the Academy. As an upperclass midshipman, you may drink if you are the minimum legal age for drinking in the state, 21 in Maryland. The use of illegal drugs is strictly forbidden and results in expulsion from the Academy. As a midshipman, you are subject to random drug testing through urinalysis, consistent with Navy-wide policies and procedures"


Since this story was first reported, I have read multiple accounts from officers and senior enlisted personnel who have had to apply a true "zero tolerance" drug policy on sailors and marines who had otherwise excellent records. There is IMO no acceptable reason why the same Navy policy should not be applied in this case.

One total speculation on my part is whether Mr Curry is being allowed to remain for this year with the understanding that he would "choose" not to return to USNA next year. Doing so would allow him to leave the Navy without having an expulsion on his record. I'm not saying that I think that would be a good reason; it is, again, pure speculation, but it might address why the Supe would overturn the recommendations of the Company Officer and Commandant.
 
Chockstock said:
:rolleyes: Well lol, I meant to say as in government OFFICIALS. But I won't say more since I don't know anything about anyone "higher up" who could be involved in this.

Come on...you should have a bit more faith in our national government :smile:
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It's hard to have faith when you know how it works.....another "fun" part of working in Washington, DC.

You have a 3-star admiral at USNA...there aren't many higher "government officials" that would be concerned than that.

Of course, flag officers are also confirmed by Congress. That would make the superintendent a government official.
 
Luigi59 said:
But if you are so naive to believe that a hollowed out Philly Panatela stuffed with marijuana, being passed around at a party was unknowingly sucked deeply into his lungs, and held long enough to show up positive on a drug test, then you are as gullible as the Supe. Trust me, every kid knows about blunts, and every kid is laughing at some of the things that can pulled over gullible parent's (and USNA officials) eyes.
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He would know it was marijuana from just being in the same room by being able to smell the secondhand smoke, far before enough was inhaled to appear in a drug test.
 
LineInTheSand said:
It's hard to have faith when you know how it works.....another "fun" part of working in Washington, DC.

You have a 3-star admiral at USNA...there aren't many higher "government officials" that would be concerned than that.

Of course, flag officers are also confirmed by Congress. That would make the superintendent a government official.
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Not to put words in the poster's mouth, but my guess is that he meant civilians when referring to "government officials." Perhaps elected officials, such as those in Congress, who are responsible for funding all federal programs. Maybe he was calling for a Congressional investigation...this always scares the crap out of military brass. Completely off topic, but did anyone ever see the HBO movie "The Pentagon Wars"? It was a very irreverent comedy about the development of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, unfortunately based in fact. Once Congress gets involved it becomes national public news (I guess the deal with the USNA football player already is). If it generates enough public outrage...you watch as the CNO tells the Supe to expel the kid.
 
Civilian government officials....even worse.

Congress already has oversight of some service academies...hence, Congressional nominations....maybe we should look at the congressman who granted this fine person a spot.
 
Completely off topic....


There almost exist a hierarchy of respect for many in the military....maybe unspoken, but kind of underlying.


1. Military Active Duty
2. Military Reserve
3. Military Retired
4. General Schedule (GS) (Reserve or Retired may apply)
5. Contractor
6. Political Appointee

Hit or miss with some of these. If they are in uniform, or had been in uniform, they you know they went through some of the same stuff as you did, independent of service.

GS is hit or miss. Some GS don't know how to interact with military (and some military doesn't know how to work with GS). Career GS generally "know the business".

Contractors make money, but many are ex military or GS. Some may question loyalties, but most of the time, you can't tell the difference between a GS and a contractor.

Most of the political appointees I've worked with had little idea what to do in their job. They were there because they did something right in a campaign. I have little respect for that...but you know how it works, so at some point you just accepted that. Many think political appointees are big, but really they range from high up to the basics.
 
Everyone here giving the "story" a pass, keeps forgetting that the poor innocent Midn admitted to smoking a 'blunt', passed around; how can you honestly say this kid didn't know he was smoking pot?

As we say in my neck of the woods...puuuuleeeese! I didn't come down with last nights rain lol :yllol::shake::biggrin:
 
Those are generalizations....I have plenty of GS friends that are up there with my officers friends. Ones a reservist in the Air Force. There are also politicals I respect, and active duty I don't.

That is my over simplified, knee-jerk feelings, hahaha... :biggrin:
 
Maximus said:
Everyone here giving the "story" a pass, keeps forgetting that the poor innocent Midn admitted to smoking a 'blunt', passed around; how can you honestly say this kid didn't know he was smoking pot?

As we say in my neck of the woods...puuuuleeeese! I didn't come down with last nights rain lol :yllol::shake::biggrin:
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Of course. Hence the calls for Uncle Jeff to hit the road. IF he is so naive and gullible to believe that story (which EVERYONE in Annapolis except him knows is a lie) then he has no business being in charge of 4,000+ future Naval officers.

Someone that clueless needs to retire. If he (as some posters have posted) is unfamiliar with the drug culture and how they use it today (blunts are a very common way to use marijuana, it's like a huge joint but easier to "roll") then his investigation into the "facts" was at best incomplete and at worst incompetent.

But the D1 football team will have their star running back/receiver next year, hooray!

- How many USNA Mids, former, current, future, are going to feel good when cheering a football team with such "integrity" and "character"?

- Go Navy. :rolleyes:
 
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Luigi59 said:
Of course. Hence the calls for Uncle Jeff to hit the road. IF he is so naive and gullible to believe that story (which EVERYONE in Annapolis except him knows is a lie) then he has no business being in charge of 4,000+ future Naval officers.

Someone that clueless needs to retire. If he (as some posters have posted) is unfamiliar with the drug culture and how they use it today (blunts are a very common way to use marijuana, it's like a huge joint but easier to "roll") then his investigation into the "facts" was at best incomplete and at worst incompetent.

But the D1 football team will have their star running back/receiver next year, hooray!

- How many USNA Mids, former, current, future, are going to feel good when cheering a football team with such "integrity" and "character"?

- Go Navy. :rolleyes:
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D1 Football at the academies probably would be a good separate thread which would allow some of you to vent on what clearly is a personal hobby horse. It isn't however the issue here unless of course you know something that the rest of us don't- mainly that his continued eligibility to play for Navy was the reason he was not disenrolled? If you know that, then please enlighten us- otherwise you are just setting up a straw horse to demolish without shedding any actual light on the issue.

While I would love to actually read the Supe's thought process in allowing this kid to continue at USNA, I can't imagine any rationale that would actually justify this decision, and on the face of it he has done a real job of undermining the integrity of the discipline system as well as the honor system. Since I also can't imagine the USNA publicizing the records here or the Supe giving a justification, the worst interpretation is going to be the one that sticks.
 
Luigi59 said:
Of course. Hence the calls for Uncle Jeff to hit the road. IF he is so naive and gullible to believe that story (which EVERYONE in Annapolis except him knows is a lie) then he has no business being in charge of 4,000+ future Naval officers.

Someone that clueless needs to retire. If he (as some posters have posted) is unfamiliar with the drug culture and how they use it today (blunts are a very common way to use marijuana, it's like a huge joint but easier to "roll") then his investigation into the "facts" was at best incomplete and at worst incompetent.

But the D1 football team will have their star running back/receiver next year, hooray!

- How many USNA Mids, former, current, future, are going to feel good when cheering a football team with such "integrity" and "character"?

- Go Navy. :rolleyes:
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Quite frankly it's the Fleet I'm worried about, it doesn't sound like he'll be accountable for his actions here, and imagine being an enlisted sailor following this "officer"? His story will follow and moral will be lower all in the needs of an agenda.

My guess is the Supe has some higher up pressing him for this and has a "get out of jail" challenge coin in his pocket for toeing the line. No one is this naive at that level.<period!
 
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