I wanted to validate something that I have heard. Are the "washout rates" approximately double for the AFA what they are for WP or the Navy. I do not like the term washout, because the path chosen is certainly much more involved than any non military (public) institution and there are many facotrs that can lead to such a result. I heard 25% whereas, it is my understadning if you join either of the other two institutions which tend to hover aroun 10% (maybe as much as 13%). Is this true?
Wash out rates
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Numbers went down considerably this past season for appointments, but prior to that, the average walking into "I" day was around 1250-1300. On graduation day; the numbers are right around 1000. This past year; class of 2012; they started with approximately 1285 and ended with approximately 1070.
So; based on the last few years, you're looking at a low of 83% graduation rate (17% washout - using your terminology).... To as high as around 23% not graduating. The number floats in that range.
Having said that, this past cycle (Class of 2016) only brought in around 1035 cadets. Whether they lose 17-23% (Graduate approximately 770-830) or the numbers are lower for whatever reason; is yet to be seen.
But no, I can't tell you what the other services are. However; my understanding is that Navy stays real close to the 1000 graduation number. This year they brought in around 1190. Class of 2015 was 1229 entering. So that means their numbers for not graduating will be a little less than air force, but not by much. Plus, they usually bring in less to start with.
So; based on the last few years, you're looking at a low of 83% graduation rate (17% washout - using your terminology).... To as high as around 23% not graduating. The number floats in that range.
Having said that, this past cycle (Class of 2016) only brought in around 1035 cadets. Whether they lose 17-23% (Graduate approximately 770-830) or the numbers are lower for whatever reason; is yet to be seen.
But no, I can't tell you what the other services are. However; my understanding is that Navy stays real close to the 1000 graduation number. This year they brought in around 1190. Class of 2015 was 1229 entering. So that means their numbers for not graduating will be a little less than air force, but not by much. Plus, they usually bring in less to start with.
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The USNA retention rate for USNA is almost always 85 -87% or thereabout. Undoubtedly, if one factors in a four year timing on this, USNA, USMA are probably the highest in the world. Ivies are high but they look at 5, 6, even 7 years when daddy will keep forking over the funds for tuition, etc. I can confirm 1,212 took the oath on I Day for the Class of 2011. 1,006 graduated.
Statistically speaking, far far tougher getting in ... than getting out. With a few academic and medical exceptions, all who start can finish if they are committed to doing so.
Statistically speaking, far far tougher getting in ... than getting out. With a few academic and medical exceptions, all who start can finish if they are committed to doing so.
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The number of 13% or so have been what I have been told, though. Yes, that is amazing, but a testimony to their screening and their commitment to the success of the candidate. From what I hear if you aren't doing well in class, you get more time to focus on your studies (perhaps at the expense of personal time, but for your own good- no shortage of help). If the AFA has a signifcantly higher rate, I would wonder the reason. Either way, graduation exceptional rates.
The number of 13% or so have been what I have been told, though. Yes, that is amazing, but a testimony to their screening and their commitment to the success of the candidate. From what I hear if you aren't doing well in class, you get more time to focus on your studies (perhaps at the expense of personal time, but for your own good- no shortage of help). If the AFA has a signifcantly higher rate, I would wonder the reason. Either way, graduation exceptional rates.
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IF AFA has a significantly different rate, it might be a function of but one thing ... $$$.
One needs to grasp that ONCE a Mid or Cadet is inducted, UNLIKE over-subscribed secular colleges and universities with faculty driven to winnowing the chaffe from the kernels, SAs have already invested a huge amount of time and money in getting candidates to and beyond I Day. And ... unlike secular institutions ... there is no "make-up" with transfers.
So all this means is that yes, you can and will get dedicated study help AS IT IS NEEDED. And you will IF you are willing to receive it.
All motivation and resources are devoted from day #1 to RETAIN and graduate ON TIME, as many as possible. Yes, there is an algorithm that says for planning and budgeting purposes, so many will separate and attrite. But ... that has NO PERTINENCE for any given individual in that algorithm.
One needs to grasp that ONCE a Mid or Cadet is inducted, UNLIKE over-subscribed secular colleges and universities with faculty driven to winnowing the chaffe from the kernels, SAs have already invested a huge amount of time and money in getting candidates to and beyond I Day. And ... unlike secular institutions ... there is no "make-up" with transfers.
So all this means is that yes, you can and will get dedicated study help AS IT IS NEEDED. And you will IF you are willing to receive it.
All motivation and resources are devoted from day #1 to RETAIN and graduate ON TIME, as many as possible. Yes, there is an algorithm that says for planning and budgeting purposes, so many will separate and attrite. But ... that has NO PERTINENCE for any given individual in that algorithm.
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Yea, in differentiating, your word seems more accurately descriptive and appropriate. I like it! Thanks! So much to learn, so little brain power!
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Iron sharpens iron. Why I like hanging out here. Nearly everyone's smartern me!
But hey, aren't we told the "best" house to own is the low end bungalow in a neighborhood of mansions? hmmmm ...