This is the aspect of the case I found really bad also. Having the WI-FI was one thing, but to actively lie about it and hide attempts of others to inform about the WI-FI are really damning. I would think just a demotion from E-8 to E-7 is a little soft also.
I wouldn't trust the E-7 to wire my house. I'm getting too old to show up on a web cam.
Thoughtful questions.
www.navytimes.com
This makes me so sick. Is the Navy that desperate for people that they are willing to let her stay despite the severe security threat she put her shipmates and ship in?
Its already been said but I'll repeat "for now". Actual discharges as part of the sentence is generally for a bigger crime while many things like this get an "administrative" discharge" as opposed to it being part of the actual sentence. I'm pretty sure that she is more done than a Mcdonalds hamburger left on the grill for an hour.
I'm not a big fan of "zero tolerance." I believe that as imperfect people, we're entitled to a measure of grace and forgiveness for most things. "Room for error," to put it another way, and presumably a lesson learned.
lawforveterans.org
Agreeing with @Capt MJ on this for sure. I believe the vast majority of all people are good at heart and do the right thing because that's what they do. I saw in the military and still see today in my current job in public education, people who don't do the right thing and think it's OK. I believe they think it's OK because of the power trip. Plus, they think whatever they gain is due to them.
Thanks for taking the time to explain the various avenues that can be taken.@Edmund
Read the posts that come up after that relating to what happens after.
Punitive discharges, such as a Dishonorable Discharge (DD) or Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD) as part of a criminal court-martial proceeding, which can take a looonnnggg time, if it’s with a jury. There are Grand Jury-like proceedings. Motions. All that stuff that can push consequences down the road for months and years. The Navy knows someone like this is poison in the workplace and may use alternative methods to purge itself.
Fortunately, the military can use the non-judicial punishment system (NJP) to move things briskly along. I am reasonably sure the “needs of the Navy” in this case is whack her and get her gone. Reduction in rate as a chief effectively ends her promotability. They will no doubt have pulled her clearance and made appropriate entries in her security file such that she is unclearable across all federal agencies and unemployable in lucrative civilian intel jobs. She will be “stashed” at a nearby shore installation, which means no more sea duty pay, and she lost the pay difference between E-8 and E-7, and the differential between the BAH at each paygrade.
A separate event is the ordering of an administrative separation process, which is not awarded as a punishment, but as an additional administrative process. There is a hearing with a local board (I chaired or sat on many), statements for and against, then an opportunity for the member to make sn oral statement. The board deliberates and makes a recommendation, and the package travels up the chain of command being properly reviewed and endorsed before a final decision is made by the appropriate authority. Then the process can move right along. Lastly, a DD-214 will be issued, the official documentation of service, with 2 critical entries: the type and characterization of discharge, and the RE code. The RE code indicates whether someone can ever enter military service again.
For the type of discharge (I am voting for a discharge under other than honorable conditions, an OTH), see the link below. It’s not an official source, but it is a reliable site with clear layman’s terms. You can see the OTH, though administrative, is a severe blow, with impact on veterans’ benefits. Forever. The OTH should not be confused with a DD, but it is pretty darn awful.
If she has less than 20 years, she is not eligible for retirement benefits.
Types of Military Discharge and What they Mean for Veterans
Honorable discharge means the service member did their assigned job in a diligent and competent manner, followed the rules, and obeyed the law.
And - I bet each and every Chief in the reviewing chain who is handling the package digitally for review by the appropriate JAG and endorsing officer ensures that package somehow floats to the top of every package queue and flies upward, silently greased by all the disgusted chiefs in the chain. “Sir/ma’am, you have 15 adsep packages to review and sign off on, but these two are relatively straightforward, and you have half an hour before your next meeting. We can get to the rest in 3 days, when you return from travel.”
Of course we will never know since the court did not discharge her through sentencing, but my money is on her getting a General Under Honorable (personally I think it should be OTH). If she were a junior sailor, then they would probably throw the book at her, but I would be surprised if they hit her with an OTH.@Edmund
Read the posts that come up after that relating to what happens after.
Punitive discharges, such as a Dishonorable Discharge (DD) or Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD) as part of a criminal court-martial proceeding, which can take a looonnnggg time, if it’s with a jury. There are Grand Jury-like proceedings. Motions. All that stuff that can push consequences down the road for months and years. The Navy knows someone like this is poison in the workplace and may use alternative methods to purge itself.
Fortunately, the military can use the non-judicial punishment system (NJP) to move things briskly along. I am reasonably sure the “needs of the Navy” in this case is whack her and get her gone. Reduction in rate as a chief effectively ends her promotability. They will no doubt have pulled her clearance and made appropriate entries in her security file such that she is unclearable across all federal agencies and unemployable in lucrative civilian intel jobs. She will be “stashed” at a nearby shore installation, which means no more sea duty pay, and she lost the pay difference between E-8 and E-7, and the differential between the BAH at each paygrade.
A separate event is the ordering of an administrative separation process, which is not awarded as a punishment, but as an additional administrative process. There is a hearing with a local board (I chaired or sat on many), statements for and against, then an opportunity for the member to make sn oral statement. The board deliberates and makes a recommendation, and the package travels up the chain of command being properly reviewed and endorsed before a final decision is made by the appropriate authority. Then the process can move right along. Lastly, a DD-214 will be issued, the official documentation of service, with 2 critical entries: the type and characterization of discharge, and the RE code. The RE code indicates whether someone can ever enter military service again.
For the type of discharge (I am voting for a discharge under other than honorable conditions, an OTH), see the link below. It’s not an official source, but it is a reliable site with clear layman’s terms. You can see the OTH, though administrative, is a severe blow, with impact on veterans’ benefits. Forever. The OTH should not be confused with a DD, but it is pretty darn awful.
If she has less than 20 years, she is not eligible for retirement benefits.
Types of Military Discharge and What they Mean for Veterans
Honorable discharge means the service member did their assigned job in a diligent and competent manner, followed the rules, and obeyed the law.
And - I bet each and every Chief in the reviewing chain who is handling the package digitally for review by the appropriate JAG and endorsing officer ensures that package somehow floats to the top of every package queue and flies upward, silently greased by all the disgusted chiefs in the chain. “Sir/ma’am, you have 15 adsep packages to review and sign off on, but these two are relatively straightforward, and you have half an hour before your next meeting. We can get to the rest in 3 days, when you return from travel.”
Sigh.
Past edit time. The tech editor in me has to fix it. “Doubt she was out there”… not their. Darn auto populate.
