hornetguy
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Lots of numbers, but nobody has identified what exactly has driven the numbers from my cursory reading. With the number of people in the military healthcare system, they should be able to slice and dice the number so many ways, your head will spin. They should be able to tell you if it is an aging issue, whether it is dependent driven, whether the number of visits per person in a given age/gender range is increasing or decreasing (an indication of lots of potential problems). From these numbers you should be able to get an idea of things you can control (appropriate use of resources) from things you can't (aging population with more service-related issues). Things that can be incentivized to yield results should be done. Where we identify potential buying power (anything from pharma purchases to walk-in clinic preferred provider arrangements) should be pursued. Military members and their dependents are given benefits, but the management therof is something that should be done by the provider therof.
Yes and no. The records are there. I'm trying to grab the 2 billion (yes billion) records to see if I can use them for my own analysis. Problem is, we actually didn't track a lot of stuff really well. Also, their interest in the exploding problem seems to be a more recent occurrence. I wish I could say more, but I'm still in the process of drinking the fire hydrant as it were.
Both the MHS and VA are great systems. Could you clarify what you think isn't being leveraged?The military actually runs one of the best medical systems in the world, considering the mission. It has a great source of providers brought up through its ranks - one of its great strengths that I think hasn't been leveraged enough.
Personally, I've always wondered with the number of doctors the military pays to go to med school, why the military does not run its own. It is going to be in the business of employing doctors for the forseeable future, and quite frankly what they pay to private medical schools is highway robbery. They have the facilities to do the job and personnel to staff it (who earn a heck of a lot less than those who currently teach at med school and can better prepare their student for what they will see in a military practice).
They do, it's called USUHS (http://www.usuhs.mil/). kp2001 went there. I have several friends there now. What do you think the civilian scholarship cost (HPSP) is to support your statement?
I've read a couple of places that one of the major reasons doctors fees are so high in this country (going back to one of the graphs in hornet's links), is that military MDs aside, all US docs come equipped with $250,000+ in student debt on top of the years of lost income getting into the profession. It is how medical education is financed in this country that drives a lot of the cost. In the countries (Japan for example) where medical school is either free or very inexpensive, the MDs can come out and afford to live on the more restricted reimbursement rates the payers offer. What I am saying here is a lot the rest of the world's cost advantage is paid for by subsidized medical education.
I am following.
If the federal government (through the military) were to become a major player in the minting of MDs (even requiring years of service as a payback) who come out without the debt, these doc will be able to handle the ever lowering reimbursement rates that seem to be coming both from private insurers and from the federal programs (medicare). Quite frankly, if you think the cost of undergraduate education suffers from inflation, you should check out the cost of med school!
Many federal and state governments offer debt forgiveness in exchange for working a few years in their facilities (prisons, grant programs, etc.) Part of the healthcare cost increases is the more extensive use of technology too. NYT also had a good health article yesterday about treating the sick instead of the plethora of "preventative" screening we do now. It was good food for thought.
I'm sure a lot of free market types will gnash their teeth at this, but our over-leveraged medical provider system feeds a service provider system that is boutique (private practice) managed because the payers for the service cannot control the use of the service nor the cost of the inputs. This is hardly the way any other free market works and perhaps we need to re-examine services in a free market that because of their nature (the cost of shopping in terms of health cannot be measured in $) should not be purely an unregulated free for all where economic power is magnified by the vulnerability of the customer.
There is a free market choice on this. In fact, healthcare is very much not free market now! It is coupled to employment with huge federal subsidies/tax breaks to keep it that way. Many prominent healthcare researchers have been yelling for years to decouple employment and health insurance. You don't have your employer cover your car, house, etc., why health insurance? Restricts job mobility among other things as well. Means an individual out of work has a bad shot at getting decent and affordable coverage.
Perhaps the government should use its leverage in what it does well (medical medicine delivery), expand it through a med school military academy, and use it to potentially solve a broader problem in the broader market.
See above.
I'm just waiting for kp2001 to come along and throw me under as totally wrong lol.