Army ROTC 2nd Board Results!

[joves]

Hi! I am new this forum but I have started reading some posts and trying to understand all the acronyms/abbreviations that people have been using. I am getting the hang of it now. Anyways, my DS completed his AROTC application in time for the 2nd board, I don't think he made the selection so I guess he's moving to the 3rd board. My question is... is there a way to find out his scores so he could improve on the areas that he needs to. He said he felt good about his interview but he was his PMS 1st interview ever. He has a 91.85 unweigted GPA (not sure how to convert that to a 4.0 scale). 4-5 AP Classes and 24 college credits earned just in his junior year. Then another 3 AP classes this year (senior year). 1290 (SAT super score). NHS and Varsity Football and Wrestling captain and some athletic awards and volunteer hours. Not sure about his PFA score. He plans to major in Aerospace Engineering.

When he showed me his application status this morning, I noticed there was a waiver. It says "Education is Conditional". Is that because of the college credits he earned in high school? He took dual program classes to challenge himself and prepare for college while still in high school and not so much of earning credits in college. We know when he goes to college some of those, especially Math and Science related courses, will not be transferred. Please advise if this was a factor in his application or not. Thank you!

Congratulations to all the winners!

 

[EEBTTF]

Hi! I am new this forum but I have started reading some posts and trying to understand all the acronyms/abbreviations that people have been using. I am getting the hang of it now. Anyways, my DS completed his AROTC application in time for the 2nd board, I don't think he made the selection so I guess he's moving to the 3rd board. My question is... is there a way to find out his scores so he could improve on the areas that he needs to. He said he felt good about his interview but he was his PMS 1st interview ever. He has a 91.85 unweigted GPA (not sure how to convert that to a 4.0 scale). 4-5 AP Classes and 24 college credits earned just in his junior year. Then another 3 AP classes this year (senior year). 1290 (SAT super score). NHS and Varsity Football and Wrestling captain and some athletic awards and volunteer hours. Not sure about his PFA score. He plans to major in Aerospace Engineering.

When he showed me his application status this morning, I noticed there was a waiver. It says "Education is Conditional". Is that because of the college credits he earned in high school? He took dual program classes to challenge himself and prepare for college while still in high school and not so much of earning credits in college. We know when he goes to college some of those, especially Math and Science related courses, will not be transferred. Please advise if this was a factor in his application or not. Thank you!

Congratulations to all the winners!

Welcome - take a few minutes/hours and read about how the AROTC Boarding process works. Your DS's application for the AROTC scholarship will not be reviewed again. He was given a score (OML) when his packet was reviewed at the 2nd Board and that will be the only time a person will look at his file. He could resubmit a PFT score or SAT/ACT, but that will only add points to his score at a greatly reduced rate (compared to if he submitted the better scores with his original application). This is why it is so important to only submit your application when you are 100% sure it is your best effort. His score will be compared with the new files from the 3rd Board as well as the candidates from Board's 1 & 2 that were not given a scholarship. If there are 1000 scholarships left to give, the top 1000 scores get it.

Start a few pages back in this thread and there are at least 10 posts explaining the Boarding process and why there is very little you can do at this point to improve your chances. . Search @Montana State Army ROTC posts - he does a great job of explaining it.

So - not to sound flippant, but at this point there is very little that can be done to change your score.

 

[joves]

Welcome - take a few minutes/hours and read about how the AROTC Boarding process works. Your DS's application for the AROTC scholarship will not be reviewed again. He was given a score (OML) when his packet was reviewed at the 2nd Board and that will be the only time a person will look at his file. He could resubmit a PFT score or SAT/ACT, but that will only add points to his score at a greatly reduced rate (compared to if he submitted the better scores with his original application). This is why it is so important to only submit your application when you are 100% sure it is your best effort. His score will be compared with the new files from the 3rd Board as well as the candidates from Board's 1 & 2 that were not given a scholarship. If there are 1000 scholarships left to give, the top 1000 scores get it.

Start a few pages back in this thread and there are at least 10 posts explaining the Boarding process and why there is very little you can do at this point to improve your chances. . Search @Montana State Army ROTC posts - he does a great job of explaining it.

So - not to sound flippant, but at this point there is very little that can be done to change your score.

Thank you! What do you mean by "he could resubmit a PFT score or SAT/ACT, but that will only add points to his score at a greatly reduced rate".

I also thought that students are encouraged to take challenging classes but it seems like this could hurt him or maybe not???

 

[EEBTTF]

Thank you! What do you mean by "he could resubmit a PFT score or SAT/ACT, but that will only add points to his score at a greatly reduced rate".

I also thought that students are encouraged to take challenging classes but it seems like this could hurt him or maybe not???

I am copying a post I dug up from @Montana State Army ROTC

See the text in red regarding re-submittal and scoring for the PFA/SAT. I don't understand your question on challenging courses, but the vast majority of scholarship winners/SA applicants have significant college credits, AP, IB courses. Regarding getting credit for those courses, that is independent of the ROTC process and should be addressed at each individual school.

EVERYTHING BELOW THIS LINE IS @Montana State Army ROTC POST

There is lots of not-good information floating around on this forum. I want to set everyone straight with information I confirmed today (31JAN2020) with Cadet Command RMID (Incentive Division). Then provide some insight.

1. Each student's file is only looked by one board. If your file was ready for the 1st board, it isn't seen again by the 2nd and 3rd board. You get one look by a group of PMS' who will vote your file. That is worth 25% of your total score.

2. If you improve your GPA or ACT/SAT or PFA after you have been boarded you can submit the updates (and should), but a human (PMS) on a board will not revote your file. Your file has already been voted. You will simply receive more points in that specific category and your placement on the Order of Merit List (OML) will change.

3. Students need to bring the strongest file possible to a board. Even if that means missing a board to wait on updated/improved GPA/ACT/etc.

**************************************************
My analysis of why going to the board with a strong file is important. The PMS' general vote on the Student Athlete Leader (SAL) concept. And you are only voted on once. (Disclaimer--I can not predict the future based on past performance, I did not sit on any of this year's boards, and this is my opinion only)

--If you have a low ACT you receive fewer points in the ACT part of your file. You then lose more points at the board for the Student section. (double loss of points)

--If you have a low PFA you receive fewer points in the PFA part of your file. You then lose more points at the board for the Athlete section. You may also have lost points during the interview because the PMS doubts you can pass the Army Physical Fitness Test and writes that. (triple loss of points) (Physical fitness is incredibly important and a critical factor in determining success or not in ROTC. You may not agree, but trust me. A 8:00 mile gives a male 20/50 points on the run and is a pace on which you fail the APFT. A PMS is not going to vote favorably when the recipient needs to pass the APFT to contract).

--If you go to the first board with a low ACT score then update your score after you retake it in February you may raise your ACT points, but the board has already docked points you can never regain. Your file was voted on with the low ACT scores. Your bump on the OML is less than if you had gone to the 2nd or 3rd board with the higher ACT in your file.

--The CBEF is important and no one but the algorithm sees your score. This probably accounts for some of the variances in who received offers.

--Comparing your ACT/PFA/GPA with others who won will only drive your bonkers. What you are missing is what the PMS wrote in the interview, their leadership positions, and the internal workings of a board which causes members to vote a specific way. A PMS who was an Eagle Scout/Boy's State might vote higher a student with those but lower GPA/ACT than someone who isn't an Eagle Scout/Boy's State but higher GPA/ACT. This probably accounts for some variances in who received offers.

-- A PMS can give you a great interview then check the "Do not recommend for a scholarship" block because they saw something that raises a red flag.

--There are several 1000 applicants for these scholarships. The boards get it right. No one sees what the boards see except the boards. Trust the process.

--If you want to do Army ROTC do Army ROTC. Find a university that you will do well at and go. That is the most important thing.

Finally- There are 30 Soldiers waiting for your to arrive and assume command of their platoon. Study hard and be physical fit, mentally strong and morally straight because winning matters.

 

[hrtly]

I believe there are multiple ways to upload the results. My DS's coach received an email from CC with a link, and he put the results in that way. But I think you can also find the form online and upload them through the portal.

Yeah thanks, I found the form. I'll just upload to portal when done.

 

[hrtly]

Without starting a new thread. I noticed on the File Upload page there is an option to upload a file related to "deferment" does this mean College decision deferrals? or something else related to the scholarship.

 

[joves]

I am copying a post I dug up from @Montana State Army ROTC

See the text in red regarding re-submittal and scoring for the PFA/SAT. I don't understand your question on challenging courses, but the vast majority of scholarship winners/SA applicants have significant college credits, AP, IB courses. Regarding getting credit for those courses, that is independent of the ROTC process and should be addressed at each individual school.

EVERYTHING BELOW THIS LINE IS @Montana State Army ROTC POST

There is lots of not-good information floating around on this forum. I want to set everyone straight with information I confirmed today (31JAN2020) with Cadet Command RMID (Incentive Division). Then provide some insight.

1. Each student's file is only looked by one board. If your file was ready for the 1st board, it isn't seen again by the 2nd and 3rd board. You get one look by a group of PMS' who will vote your file. That is worth 25% of your total score.

2. If you improve your GPA or ACT/SAT or PFA after you have been boarded you can submit the updates (and should), but a human (PMS) on a board will not revote your file. Your file has already been voted. You will simply receive more points in that specific category and your placement on the Order of Merit List (OML) will change.

3. Students need to bring the strongest file possible to a board. Even if that means missing a board to wait on updated/improved GPA/ACT/etc.

**************************************************
My analysis of why going to the board with a strong file is important. The PMS' general vote on the Student Athlete Leader (SAL) concept. And you are only voted on once. (Disclaimer--I can not predict the future based on past performance, I did not sit on any of this year's boards, and this is my opinion only)

--If you have a low ACT you receive fewer points in the ACT part of your file. You then lose more points at the board for the Student section. (double loss of points)

--If you have a low PFA you receive fewer points in the PFA part of your file. You then lose more points at the board for the Athlete section. You may also have lost points during the interview because the PMS doubts you can pass the Army Physical Fitness Test and writes that. (triple loss of points) (Physical fitness is incredibly important and a critical factor in determining success or not in ROTC. You may not agree, but trust me. A 8:00 mile gives a male 20/50 points on the run and is a pace on which you fail the APFT. A PMS is not going to vote favorably when the recipient needs to pass the APFT to contract).

--If you go to the first board with a low ACT score then update your score after you retake it in February you may raise your ACT points, but the board has already docked points you can never regain. Your file was voted on with the low ACT scores. Your bump on the OML is less than if you had gone to the 2nd or 3rd board with the higher ACT in your file.

--The CBEF is important and no one but the algorithm sees your score. This probably accounts for some of the variances in who received offers.

--Comparing your ACT/PFA/GPA with others who won will only drive your bonkers. What you are missing is what the PMS wrote in the interview, their leadership positions, and the internal workings of a board which causes members to vote a specific way. A PMS who was an Eagle Scout/Boy's State might vote higher a student with those but lower GPA/ACT than someone who isn't an Eagle Scout/Boy's State but higher GPA/ACT. This probably accounts for some variances in who received offers.

-- A PMS can give you a great interview then check the "Do not recommend for a scholarship" block because they saw something that raises a red flag.

--There are several 1000 applicants for these scholarships. The boards get it right. No one sees what the boards see except the boards. Trust the process.

--If you want to do Army ROTC do Army ROTC. Find a university that you will do well at and go. That is the most important thing.

Finally- There are 30 Soldiers waiting for your to arrive and assume command of their platoon. Study hard and be physical fit, mentally strong and morally straight because winning matters.

I am copying a post I dug up from @Montana State Army ROTC

See the text in red regarding re-submittal and scoring for the PFA/SAT. I don't understand your question on challenging courses, but the vast majority of scholarship winners/SA applicants have significant college credits, AP, IB courses. Regarding getting credit for those courses, that is independent of the ROTC process and should be addressed at each individual school.

EVERYTHING BELOW THIS LINE IS @Montana State Army ROTC POST

There is lots of not-good information floating around on this forum. I want to set everyone straight with information I confirmed today (31JAN2020) with Cadet Command RMID (Incentive Division). Then provide some insight.

1. Each student's file is only looked by one board. If your file was ready for the 1st board, it isn't seen again by the 2nd and 3rd board. You get one look by a group of PMS' who will vote your file. That is worth 25% of your total score.

2. If you improve your GPA or ACT/SAT or PFA after you have been boarded you can submit the updates (and should), but a human (PMS) on a board will not revote your file. Your file has already been voted. You will simply receive more points in that specific category and your placement on the Order of Merit List (OML) will change.

3. Students need to bring the strongest file possible to a board. Even if that means missing a board to wait on updated/improved GPA/ACT/etc.

**************************************************
My analysis of why going to the board with a strong file is important. The PMS' general vote on the Student Athlete Leader (SAL) concept. And you are only voted on once. (Disclaimer--I can not predict the future based on past performance, I did not sit on any of this year's boards, and this is my opinion only)

--If you have a low ACT you receive fewer points in the ACT part of your file. You then lose more points at the board for the Student section. (double loss of points)

--If you have a low PFA you receive fewer points in the PFA part of your file. You then lose more points at the board for the Athlete section. You may also have lost points during the interview because the PMS doubts you can pass the Army Physical Fitness Test and writes that. (triple loss of points) (Physical fitness is incredibly important and a critical factor in determining success or not in ROTC. You may not agree, but trust me. A 8:00 mile gives a male 20/50 points on the run and is a pace on which you fail the APFT. A PMS is not going to vote favorably when the recipient needs to pass the APFT to contract).

--If you go to the first board with a low ACT score then update your score after you retake it in February you may raise your ACT points, but the board has already docked points you can never regain. Your file was voted on with the low ACT scores. Your bump on the OML is less than if you had gone to the 2nd or 3rd board with the higher ACT in your file.

--The CBEF is important and no one but the algorithm sees your score. This probably accounts for some of the variances in who received offers.

--Comparing your ACT/PFA/GPA with others who won will only drive your bonkers. What you are missing is what the PMS wrote in the interview, their leadership positions, and the internal workings of a board which causes members to vote a specific way. A PMS who was an Eagle Scout/Boy's State might vote higher a student with those but lower GPA/ACT than someone who isn't an Eagle Scout/Boy's State but higher GPA/ACT. This probably accounts for some variances in who received offers.

-- A PMS can give you a great interview then check the "Do not recommend for a scholarship" block because they saw something that raises a red flag.

--There are several 1000 applicants for these scholarships. The boards get it right. No one sees what the boards see except the boards. Trust the process.

--If you want to do Army ROTC do Army ROTC. Find a university that you will do well at and go. That is the most important thing.

Finally- There are 30 Soldiers waiting for your to arrive and assume command of their platoon. Study hard and be physical fit, mentally strong and morally straight because winning matters.

Thank you for the explanation! Regarding college credits earned, I am just don't understand why his Education says "Conditional"? Thanks again!

 

[hom325]

To encourage some others waiting to get in to their prospective school choices -- My DD was deferred for the Nursing School at her top scholarship choice.
She got a call from an Admissions Counselor today telling her she was accepted! Like many others have stated, it definitely must hold some weight. She just asked her ROTC contact now that she won the scholarship, where to go from here and he had it handled in less than 24 hours. Good luck to all! The experts on this site have helped tremendously.

 

[MomKukie]

Hi, I've been watching this board for about a week now and I've learned quite a lot, but I have some specific questions since my son just found out that he was not offered a scholarship. He was boarded on the 2nd board and his SAT is 1390, his unweighted GPA is 3.6, he crushed his PFA, I think his essays were top of the line, so I'm thinking something must have happened with his interview that he wasn't offered even a 3 year scholarship. He interviewed with a PMS who oversees a college that my son is considering and applied to in our local area, but didn't put on his AROTC college list because he wouldn't be able to pick his preferred major. My son specifically told the PMS that his college was his #3 choice though. My son felt the interview went well and he's usually hard on evaluating himself, but he did mention that the PMS mentioned that he needs more leadership experience. So, since I'm reading that there are maybe another 60% of the scholarships left for Board #3, but my son can't really improve much from now until then, except enter his most current transcript to hopefully lift his unweighted GPA, which I'm reading won't do much overall, does he even have a chance on board #3? I was thinking that the PMS might have mentioned about the leadership experience because that was his weakest area, but now I'm worried that maybe he was cluing my son in that he probably won't be selected because the PMS doesn't feel he has enough leadership experience. And I'm also worried that we might have made a big mistake by choosing a PMS from a college that isn't even on my son's official AROTC college list, but when we initially planned it we were thinking the interview was going to be in person. No going back now, but any advice would be helpful and maybe help someone else down the road if not my son.

 

[hrtly]

Hi, I've been watching this board for about a week now and I've learned quite a lot, but I have some specific questions since my son just found out that he was not offered a scholarship. He was boarded on the 2nd board and his SAT is 1390, his unweighted GPA is 3.6, he crushed his PFA, I think his essays were top of the line, so I'm thinking something must have happened with his interview that he wasn't offered even a 3 year scholarship. He interviewed with a PMS who oversees a college that my son is considering and applied to in our local area, but didn't put on his AROTC college list because he wouldn't be able to pick his preferred major. My son specifically told the PMS that his college was his #3 choice though. My son felt the interview went well and he's usually hard on evaluating himself, but he did mention that the PMS mentioned that he needs more leadership experience. So, since I'm reading that there are maybe another 60% of the scholarships left for Board #3, but my son can't really improve much from now until then, except enter his most current transcript to hopefully lift his unweighted GPA, which I'm reading won't do much overall, does he even have a chance on board #3? I was thinking that the PMS might have mentioned about the leadership experience because that was his weakest area, but now I'm worried that maybe he was cluing my son in that he probably won't be selected because the PMS doesn't feel he has enough leadership experience. And I'm also worried that we might have made a big mistake by choosing a PMS from a college that isn't even on my son's official AROTC college list, but when we initially planned it we were thinking the interview was going to be in person. No going back now, but any advice would be helpful and maybe help someone else down the road if not my son.

First off I'm just another applicant like you so don't take anything I say 100% real. However, with great scores like that and a crushing PFA I would be confident you can receive a scholarship on board 3. There are other factors as well that go into it not just those numbers, although they are above average shows that your a top applicant and I would be shocked if you didn't receive at least a 3 year. Keep in mind, you can always submit letters of recommendation and other of the sort on the file upload tab that do nothing but give yourself a more rounded file. (not sure if it actually benefits you. but the more info they have, the better.)

 

[EEBTTF]

Hi, I've been watching this board for about a week now and I've learned quite a lot, but I have some specific questions since my son just found out that he was not offered a scholarship. He was boarded on the 2nd board and his SAT is 1390, his unweighted GPA is 3.6, he crushed his PFA, I think his essays were top of the line, so I'm thinking something must have happened with his interview that he wasn't offered even a 3 year scholarship. He interviewed with a PMS who oversees a college that my son is considering and applied to in our local area, but didn't put on his AROTC college list because he wouldn't be able to pick his preferred major. My son specifically told the PMS that his college was his #3 choice though. My son felt the interview went well and he's usually hard on evaluating himself, but he did mention that the PMS mentioned that he needs more leadership experience. So, since I'm reading that there are maybe another 60% of the scholarships left for Board #3, but my son can't really improve much from now until then, except enter his most current transcript to hopefully lift his unweighted GPA, which I'm reading won't do much overall, does he even have a chance on board #3? I was thinking that the PMS might have mentioned about the leadership experience because that was his weakest area, but now I'm worried that maybe he was cluing my son in that he probably won't be selected because the PMS doesn't feel he has enough leadership experience. And I'm also worried that we might have made a big mistake by choosing a PMS from a college that isn't even on my son's official AROTC college list, but when we initially planned it we were thinking the interview was going to be in person. No going back now, but any advice would be helpful and maybe help someone else down the road if not my son.

Short answer - no one knows why your son didn't win a scholarship. Simple answer is that there were 1100+ applicants had a higher OML. SAT looks good, GPA is ok.
Unknowns - PFA (not sure what crushed means in terms of score), CBEF, Interviews, Leadership, Athletics, Community Service, Reference letters....My point is that this is national competition and the majority of kids are above average. 3 legged stool - ACADEMICS, LEADERSHIP, ATHLETICS - you must be outstanding in all 3. If one is missing, no scholarship. There are literally thousands of kids every years with 1400 SAT, 3.9 GPA that don't get a scholarship. What are his athletic accomplishments? Captain of any sports team?

I think you are over analyzing the PMS interview. These are professionals and a good percentage of the candidates interview at schools that are not on their list.

As you mentioned, Board 3 will give out more Scholarships than the first 2 Boards (if history holds true). Plenty of more opportunities to get a scholarship. No one here can chance your DS because we are only seeing 1/4 of the components of the application. Good luck and spend a few hours reading the posts and the process will become more clear.

 

[MomKukie]

First off I'm just another applicant like you so don't take anything I say 100% real. However, with great scores like that and a crushing PFA I would be confident you can receive a scholarship on board 3. There are other factors as well that go into it not just those numbers, although they are above average shows that your a top applicant and I would be shocked if you didn't receive at least a 3 year. Keep in mind, you can always submit letters of recommendation and other of the sort on the file upload tab that do nothing but give yourself a more rounded file. (not sure if it actually benefits you. but the more info they have, the better.)

Thanks! I didn't know you can load letters of recommendation. I will tell my son. But if his application will not be reviewed again by the Board, how will that help?

 

[EEBTTF]

Thanks! I didn't know you can load letters of recommendation. I will tell my son. But if his application will not be reviewed again by the Board, how will that help?

It won't change his OML - Your DS's application has already been reviewed and will not be looked at again. The only thing you could add now would be a new PFA score or SAT post. I had a post earlier in the day that explains this.

@MomKukie - look up a few posts and read the long post I wrote referencing @Montana State Army ROTC . Most of your answers are right there.

 

[MomKukie]

Short answer - no one knows why your son didn't win a scholarship. Simple answer is that there were 1100+ applicants had a higher OML. SAT looks good, GPA is ok.
Unknowns - PFA (not sure what crushed means in terms of score), CBEF, Interviews, Leadership, Athletics, Community Service, Reference letters....My point is that this is national competition and the majority of kids are above average. 3 legged stool - ACADEMICS, LEADERSHIP, ATHLETICS - you must be outstanding in all 3. If one is missing, no scholarship. There are literally thousands of kids every years with 1400 SAT, 3.9 GPA that don't get a scholarship. What are his athletic accomplishments? Captain of any sports team?

I think you are over analyzing the PMS interview. These are professionals and a good percentage of the candidates interview at schools that are not on their list.

As you mentioned, Board 3 will give out more Scholarships than the first 2 Boards (if history holds true). Plenty of more opportunities to get a scholarship. No one here can chance your DS because we are only seeing 1/4 of the components of the application. Good luck and spend a few hours reading the posts and the process will become more clear.

You are absolutely right. If I remember his PFA was 50 pushups, 55 crunches and 6.59 minute mile. He has a lot of athletic involvement and one varsity letter. He did not have any reference letters, because we didn't even know about uploading them, but tons of community service. The PMS was right that he is low on leadership experience, but he does have some this year. If we upload the reference letters now, will anyone look at them?

 

[MomKukie]

It won't change his OML - Your DS's application has already been reviewed and will not be looked at again. The only thing you could add now would be a new PFA score or SAT post. I had a post earlier in the day that explains this.

@MomKukie - look up a few posts and read the long post I wrote referencing @Montana State Army ROTC . Most of your answers are right there.

Yes, I had read that and we have no opportunity for him to get a better SAT score before board #3 and I don't think he wants to redo his PFA.

 

[joves]

Hi, I've been watching this board for about a week now and I've learned quite a lot, but I have some specific questions since my son just found out that he was not offered a scholarship. He was boarded on the 2nd board and his SAT is 1390, his unweighted GPA is 3.6, he crushed his PFA, I think his essays were top of the line, so I'm thinking something must have happened with his interview that he wasn't offered even a 3 year scholarship. He interviewed with a PMS who oversees a college that my son is considering and applied to in our local area, but didn't put on his AROTC college list because he wouldn't be able to pick his preferred major. My son specifically told the PMS that his college was his #3 choice though. My son felt the interview went well and he's usually hard on evaluating himself, but he did mention that the PMS mentioned that he needs more leadership experience. So, since I'm reading that there are maybe another 60% of the scholarships left for Board #3, but my son can't really improve much from now until then, except enter his most current transcript to hopefully lift his unweighted GPA, which I'm reading won't do much overall, does he even have a chance on board #3? I was thinking that the PMS might have mentioned about the leadership experience because that was his weakest area, but now I'm worried that maybe he was cluing my son in that he probably won't be selected because the PMS doesn't feel he has enough leadership experience. And I'm also worried that we might have made a big mistake by choosing a PMS from a college that isn't even on my son's official AROTC college list, but when we initially planned it we were thinking the interview was going to be in person. No going back now, but any advice would be helpful and maybe help someone else down the road if not my son.

Hi! My DS was also interviewed by the PMS from the school that was not in his list because he was not able to add it. the school was not available in the picklist. DS already got accepted at that school and offered a Presidential Scholarship. Just no ROTC Scholarship. He didn't make the 2nd board too. I think my son forgot to mention he got the acceptance during the interview.

 

[Montana State Army ROTC]

Thanks! I didn't know you can load letters of recommendation. I will tell my son. But if his application will not be reviewed again by the Board, how will that help?

Short answer- no.

 

[Montana State Army ROTC]

Yes, I had read that and we have no opportunity for him to get a better SAT score before board #3 and I don't think he wants to redo his PFA.

Then he is riding that pony to the finish line.

 

[MomKukie]

Then he is riding that pony to the finish line.

Well, he's hoping that his updated high school transcript will improve his GPA. That can still help too right? I've been driving myself nuts trying to figure out how they only gave him a 3.6 GPA with his unweighted grades. His guidance counselor suggested that they might not be considering all his class grades - not sure. But more importantly, if I'm reading the other posts right, if his interviewer doesn't think he has enough leadership experience, then that might knock him out of the running completely, right? When the PMS told him he needs to get more leadership experience, I was taking it as "Hey, you're a great candidate, but look for more leadership opportunities so you'll go into the ROTC program equally strong in all areas." Now I'm worrying he might have meant, "You don't have enough leadership experience to receive the scholarship." A final question - since all the candidates without SAT/ACT scores were moved automatically to the 3rd Board, how will that effect their OML?

 

[EEBTTF]

Well, he's hoping that his updated high school transcript will improve his GPA. That can still help too right? I've been driving myself nuts trying to figure out how they only gave him a 3.6 GPA with his unweighted grades. His guidance counselor suggested that they might not be considering all his class grades - not sure. But more importantly, if I'm reading the other posts right, if his interviewer doesn't think he has enough leadership experience, then that might knock him out of the running completely, right? When the PMS told him he needs to get more leadership experience, I was taking it as "Hey, you're a great candidate, but look for more leadership opportunities so you'll go into the ROTC program equally strong in all areas." Now I'm worrying he might have meant, "You don't have enough leadership experience to receive the scholarship." A final question - since all the candidates without SAT/ACT scores were moved automatically to the 3rd Board, how will that effect their OML?

@MomKukie - not trying to be flippant here:
1. The increase in GPA won't matter. He has already been boarded and I am almost certain that it would not increase his OML
2. Yes - Academics, Athletics, Leadership - If he does not have any leadership, he most likely will not be a good candidate for a scholarship. If he got a poor review from the PMS (as in the box was checked - do not recommend for a scholarship) that would most likely be disqualifying. I am also confused on how the letters of recommendation were missed. It is an important part of the process and I am surprised he was even Board Ready without them.
3. With regards to the SAT/ACT debate. My opinion (it is only my opinion) is that there will be enough candidates that persevered and found a way to take the SAT/ACT. I think there will be enough candidates with a posted score that this will not be a big issue. Will there be people that have no score win a scholarship - probably. For those not posting a score they automatically get a score of 998 (SAT). That score is entered into the OML formula - and the scholarships are awarded based on the OML