C/O '26 parents - place to commiserate and share. Roller coaster for the next 3 years!

I'm not involved with it the last few years but in the past, the BGOs at least in this area were tasked to arrange and schedule
the visits to the various schools and events. I know this very well because I personally arranged the itineraries over the course
of several years.
That’s great. Looks like it varies. I’ve not had to do that.

I suppose if they would have hit a roadblock, or not been able to schedule something, I would have been asked. Hasn’t been the case the last 5 yrs.

No worries to anyone wondering, though. We are all on the same team. No matter who is in charge, they will be busy. It’s a great outreach program.
 
As a new BGO if a midshipman reached out to me and asked for help Re OPINFO I would do what I could.

When DS did it, there was not a local BGO. He did some work from the yard trying to schedule. When it was apparent most schools were closed that week, he asked me for ideas. That was me wearing my mom hat. Wasn’t a BGO then. But I had worked for several admins in our county and those relationships paid off in terms of him getting exposure to student body.
 
Kid said there was a mixer/meet and greet with the aviation community that he went to last week. He said everyone was trying to maximize their time with the 0-6 fighter pilot, for obvious reasons.

The dude spent his time talking with others including some NFOs. Learning everything he could and working on making those connections and good impressions. It's about getting your name and face out there and keeping those relatuonships working. Having a sponsor/mentor doesnt mean you have to go for the top of the mountain.

Working all the angles. That's my boy! ;)
 
Kid thought he was scheduled to take the ASTB (aviation selection test battery) yesterday afternoon, but when he and a few others showed up, they weren't on the list that was supposed to be submitted. So, he rescheduled it for Thursday.

For those that don't know, it is the written test to see if you are someone to be considered for flight billets for Navy/Marines/Coasties.

I'm not sure how many times it can be taken, or how the scoring works. I think they only use the latest and greatest test? It is not some sort of super-scoring thing.
 
... So here we go, get 'em Navy.

Chair force just Missed a field goal 😁
 
Kid thought he was scheduled to take the ASTB (aviation selection test battery) yesterday afternoon, but when he and a few others showed up, they weren't on the list that was supposed to be submitted. So, he rescheduled it for Thursday.

For those that don't know, it is the written test to see if you are someone to be considered for flight billets for Navy/Marines/Coasties.

I'm not sure how many times it can be taken, or how the scoring works. I think they only use the latest and greatest test? It is not some sort of super-scoring thing.
You can take it three times in your life. I think a month has to pass in between each test. Minimums have jumped around over the years and they vary between USN and USMC. I believe the minimums are 4/5/5 for USN and 4/6/6 for USMC. They only use the last result. So if one scores a 65 8/7/6 and the next test is a 60 5/6/7, then the latter score is used. There is no super-scoring, so a little bit of gamesmanship is required when thinking about multiple tests.

The ASTB is partially academic and partially skills based (particularly multi-tasking and spatial orientation). Airwarriors.com is a Naval Aviation Forum and your one-stop shop for ASTB gouge like what subjects are tested and how to prep for them. Test prep companies also sell prep-books, but the Navy nor Marines produce any official study guides or endorse a particular prep book. They also do not guarantee the accuracy of said books. Caveat emptor.

The subjects are as follows:
Math Comprehension
Reading Comprehension
Mechanical Comprehension (Physics and the like)
Aviation and Nautical Information
Naval Aviation Trait Facet Inventory (Sort of like a personality test)
Performance Based Metrics (Multi-tasking, spatial orientation, and motor skills)

Now the scoring:
Let's take the first score above: 65 8/6/7

The first number (65) is known as the Officer Aptitude Rating (OAR). OAR is for non-aviation officer programs like OCS (Many flavors of officers, including future Pilots/NFOs, do OCS) and direct commissioning programs. It it to quantify the academic abilities of future officer candidates. It factors in results from Math, Reading, and Mechanical Comprehension only. It is on a scale of 20-80, with 50 being the 50% percentile. This produces a bell curve where one standard deviation (SD) is 10 from the mean. So 3 SDs gives us 20 and 80. A 65 would score in the 93% percentile in this example. However, this score moot for USNA and NROTC MIDN since they are already in a commissioning program.

Now the ASTB-E. The E just means electronic (i.e. computer based). The ASTB was a pencil and paper test way back when. The ASTB factors in the same tests as the OAR, but factors in the subsequent tests as well. The algorithm that is used to calculate scores is not public.

Scoring is based on a 1-9 scale. 1 being the worst and 9 being the best. Here are percentile breakdowns:
1: 1-4%
2: 4-11%
3: 11-23%
4: 23-40%
5: 40-60%
6: 60-77%
7: 77-89%
8: 89-96%
9: 96-99%

The first number (e.g. 8) is known as your Academic Quality Rating (AQR). This quantifies how potentially successful you will be in initial aviation academic training (API for the legacy folks, NIFE for the newbies like yours truly) and primary flight training ground school.

The second number (e.g. 6) is known as your Pilot Flight Aptitude Ranking (PFAR). This quantifies how potentially successful you'll be in Pilot Primary Flight Training.

The third number (e.g. 7) is known as your Flight Officer Flight Aptitude Ranking (FOFAR). This quantifies how potentially successful you'll be in NFO Primary Flight Training.

When actually looking at the scores, the only relevant scores are looked at. In other words, they are looking at your AQR and your relevant FAR (If you are getting looked at for Pilot, the board will look at AQR and PFAR. If you are being looked at for NFO, the board will look at AQR and FOFAR).

FOFAR is moot for USMC as USMC NFO wasn't an option after ~2019.

This is anecdotal, but from talking to NROTC friends, ASTB matters more for them to get selected for Pilot. At USNA, it seems that as long as you hit the minimums, you are good (but higher is always better). For OCS, it matters a ton since that is one of the ways they break candidates out.

Now, for the predictive value of scoring, don't be dissuaded by the minimums. If the minimums weren't good enough, they wouldn't be the minimums. I got the minimum (6 at the time since there was rash of washouts in Flight School) and I did pretty well in the program. Flight School is more of an attitude and effort program than a raw ability program. Even if you don't qualify the first time, give it another go. I didn't really do too hot on the Performance-Based Metrics (PBM) part the first time around, but did better after knowing what the test looked like. I'd personally only worry about it if you have taken a couple tests and still aren't meeting the marks. I will again plug taking it twice since the first time is scheduled for you (or it was back when I did it). You couldn't choose a convenient time. Subsequent tests are self-scheduled.

Gamers and flight simmers also tend to do better on the PBM since games like FPS games and flight sim games work a lot of skills the test is evaluating.
 
... there's no "12th man" like in Tennessee, LSU, TAMU😔... more like a pleasant picnic with kids sliding all over by the hill.
 
... so DS is off for the weekend, surprising given the team's performance. His GPA increased to 3.4 so back to his previous. I asked him about the pilot info session and ASTB, he said he was too busy to attend, lots of homework.
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On another note, we went to that Dutch market for the first time and bought sandwich items. We have no luck with the sandwiches because we went to the bathroom pretty quickly. Not going back there anytime soon.
 
That is an awesome write up @Usnavy2019 !!! Thank you so much. I will share all of this with him.

For reference, he got a 5/4/5 with an oar of 53. He talked to one of his Firsties who is a pilot instructor, and this would be good enough for NFO, but not pilot. He was a little disappointed, but it was his first try. He will definitely try again as pilot is still his primary goal.

We had a great visit from him this weekend. After the disappointing loss to AF, we went down and picked him up in the morning yesterday and brought him home. He hung out all day, played a lot with the littlest dude, had a delicious homemade lasagna, and went back for extended EOL, so after 1800. He got to do some laundry, relax in PT gear and just hang with the family. Next visit will be the Thanksgiving break unless we go down to meet him for lunch.

But, they did get another weekend for standing out in the pouring rain for a parade on Friday. He was miserable during, but happy after to have gotten it!
 
... thanks for this ASTB information. I asked DS above this once and it's not yet in his radar screen. His priorities, seemed like, homework, laundry, and homecooked meals. Definitely a Thanksgiving conversation starter. I'm not really concerned because it may change again after the 2/C cruise just like SWO/Sub after Protramid. Bud/S is still an option however.
 
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