Class of 2016-Mailbox Stalkers Club

Thanks for the clarification Blackbird - I've lived with the military "hurry up and wait" for a lot of years - but this process seems to be designed to test even the strongest of us!!!
 
kskad1 said:
so I finally called the staffer for my MOC and they said that they have only received notification of 1 appointee and that they don't have any information about anyone else. Also i'm from illinois, district 16
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IL-19 was notified of one appointment last week. Individual had already accepted Army offer. There's still hope.:smile:
 
I called my moc and was informed my name wasn't on the list. Do you think it could still pop up on the list?
 
Romero13 said:
I have a friend (AD) who manages 6 of the 13 programs that the AF recruits for and she told me that USAFA did not meet their recruiting goal for the first time this year. She said that General Ayyar and General Rice have been in talks to figure out what to do. As far fetched as that sounds it kinda made sense to me when USAFA admissions (march 14th on FB) said that they had only "roughly 35%" of their slots filled. Either things have gotten that bad in the civilian world or USAFA is simply just making people wait too long. (Most people are getting offers from other universities and have to make a decision.)

Regardless if its true are not the good news is that there are still slots available so if you havent been denied by now thats probly a good thing. If it IS true then I still see it as a good thing for us bc USAFA will likely make some more "exceptions" to get those slots filled...
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This information does not seem right to me. If you just look at the people on this forum, I cannot imagine that USAFA is having problems getting people to accept appointments. Rather it may be true that certain programs will have less slots and will not be able to meet their goals. i.e. the number of blue chip athletes that a given sport will be allowed to recruit. That is not the same as not being able to find candidates willing to accept one of the 1050 or so slots available this year. Information is hard to come by, there are very few people who actually know what is going on, and these people aren't talking to us much.
 
falconfamily said:
This information does not seem right to me. If you just look at the people on this forum, I cannot imagine that USAFA is having problems getting people to accept appointments. Rather it may be true that certain programs will have less slots and will not be able to meet their goals. i.e. the number of blue chip athletes that a given sport will be allowed to recruit. That is not the same as not being able to find candidates willing to accept one of the 1050 or so slots available this year. Information is hard to come by, there are very few people who actually know what is going on, and these people aren't talking to us much.
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Point well made by falconcamily. These recruiting programs can fall under various areas: blue chip atheletes, top scholars, diversity (and this area can be broken down into several categories), and the list can go on.
 
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It's a new dawn. It's a new day. It's a new life. And I'm feeling good...................

Good Morning fellow MBSC members :smile:
 
usmcparent said:
Point well made by falconcamily. These recruiting programs can fall under various areas: blue chip atheletes, top scholars, diversity (and this area can be broken down into several categories), and the list can go on.
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I don't believe that these programs he/she is referring to have anything to do with AFA. Gen Ayyar is the Commander of the AF Recruiting Service and Gen Rice is the Commander of Air Education and Training Command, neither of which have anything to do with AFA. If the information is correct, the shortfalls could be in non-prior service enlisted recruitment, nurse or doctor recruiting, etc. Just a thought.
 
Here is some information from the FALCON FAMILY NEWS-MARCH 2012.

CLASS STATISTICS (as of 31 February 2012)

Men Women Total
2012 859 238 1097
2013 852 218 1070
2014 838 255 1093
2015 805 230 1035
WING 3356 941 4297

BUILDING THE CLASS OF 2016
As indicated previously, the Class of 2016 will be the smallest in recent history. It will be somewhere in the 1040-1060 range. As you can see from the chart on the previous page, even with a couple of years of attrition, most of the current classes are still larger than that. This will, of course, make a coveted appointment even more special. The Admissions Office is finishing up its selections, so the class is finally coming together.
 
Blackbird said:
Consider that the "two waves" are really just the extended notification process of a single event. The bulk of appointments were made mid last week and the MOC's were notified. Some MOC's chose to notify their appointees at the end of the week. Actual BFE's will be mailed this week and received at the end of the week. Notice that there were no BFE's received last week. This week will be the BFE mailing part of the communication process and the Forum will start lighting up again this Thursday through next Monday as USPS delivers the golden BFEs. After reading through this Forum over the past two years, I have seen names and dates change but the process grinds away in a fairly consistent way.
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This doesn't make much sense to me considering that a little over half the states have had people with appointments on here. It appears MI and many other Midwest states haven't posted anything about hearing from usafa. This leads me to believe that there is going to be more than one large wave of appointments.
 
More info from FALCON FAMILY NEWS

IMPORTANT SUMMER DATES
I’ve reconfirmed and updated this chart from last month’s edition:

02 June to 22 June 1st Summer Period
23 June to 13 July 2nd Summer Period
14 July to 04 Aug 3rd Summer Period
NOTE: Summer period end/start dates are approximate, depending on the program.
28 June In-processing, Class of 2016
29 June Swearing-In Ceremony
14 July Rodeo
15 July Doolie Day Out
16 July March out to Jacks Valley
28 July March back from Jacks Valley
07 Aug Acceptance Parade
08 Aug Commitment Dinner
09 Aug New Semester Classes Start
 
ChristalLee said:
My DS is getting offers daily... every day by mail or email - we have an offer for "late admission application" or "free application" (probably something to do with the type 1 AFROTC scholarship). Today was a hand written letter from Texas Tech admissions office...
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This happened to our DS back in 08. He got letters from some very strong colleges (UNCCH, NYU-Sterns, etc) that stated, you are in, just sign this paper, and good to go. No $$$ required, no SAT, no transcripts.

They rolled in right about this time too. We were informed the reason these schools were approaching him was due to the fact that when he was awarded the AFROTC scholarship, every AFROTC unit receives every name on that list, with type and major. Some college admission depts "talk" to ROTC units regarding admissions. An AFROTC scholarship is guaranteed money, and that may mean them not spending their own endowment money to offer merit.

College is a business with credit/debit columns.

I also have to agree that it sounds far fetch to me that they are not meeting goals for the AFA as a whole. It is not as if the application pool decreased at all. It is also not as if they lowered the academic/EC/CFA. In my 4 yrs here, I can tell you that I have no recollection of AD letters being sent to candidates. The AD letters are going to CFA issue candidates, not academic candidates.

I remember back in 08 being at the USNA vs AFA game, and flipping out in fear watching the cheerleaders, thinking 1 bad fall and it could be it. A cadet was with us, now a grad, and he told me that 1 of them was a recruit for cheerleading, but she had yet to pass the PFT.

The point is, in the past when they had slots, the CFA was not necessarily a make or break. They use to offer candidates the chance for a re-do, LY there was a candidate with a Prin. that took it 3 times. I have yet to see anywhere here offered that option. If they weren't meeting goals, they would re-open the CFA portal for candidates like Profsparrow's DS. LOVE the AF, bleed Blue, but we need to be honest USNA has always had a lower selection rate overall than AFA due to pool size, academically their stats are equivalent. His DS got an appointment to USNA, but an AD from AFA, all because of the CFA. Had they opened it for him, he may be an appointee today.

So, sorry, I can't get with this idea.

Additionally, no offense to athletes at the AFA, but the AFA does not exist to make athletes, they exist to create officers. I highly doubt that AFA alumni, cadets, or parents of cadets will stop supporting their team. I do understand current collegiate sports, and a lot has to do with the gobs of money networks pay the school to televise the game.
 
usmcparent said:
Here is some information from the FALCON FAMILY NEWS-MARCH 2012.

CLASS STATISTICS (as of 31 February 2012)

Men Women Total
2012 859 238 1097
2013 852 218 1070
2014 838 255 1093
2015 805 230 1035
WING 3356 941 4297

BUILDING THE CLASS OF 2016
As indicated previously, the Class of 2016 will be the smallest in recent history. It will be somewhere in the 1040-1060 range. As you can see from the chart on the previous page, even with a couple of years of attrition, most of the current classes are still larger than that. This will, of course, make a coveted appointment even more special. The Admissions Office is finishing up its selections, so the class is finally coming together.
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With these numbers, and I will predicate that this is only a "GOAL" for USAFA, taking into consideration graduation, USAFA still will be over strength by 248 people. There still will be a small attrition from 2014(one of the larger classes to enter at an initial strength of 1400+) as they commit this fall, and there will be a certain number of people who leave during BCT.
 
haley,

1. Traditionally from yrs past there is only about 10% of appointees on this site.
~~~ It would be wrong to assume that others from MI have yet to receive an appointment. I do not want to burst the bubble, but unless you know that everyone on your MOC slates have not received an appointment, it would be wrong to assume they go state by state.

2. Candidates are separated not only into regions, but alphabetically. Your RD at the AFA cannot tell you anything, because they only handled candidates from certain alphabetical groups. You should not assume they know the entire group. Regions are not tiny, that would be thousands of kids.

3. You may be correct about MI, but there is a caveat.
~~~ No charge to an MOC can come out until everyone on the slate has a WCS. If MI MOC's duplicate noms (i.e. Cong/Sen) the reason your state has not come out yet may be due to the fact that a candidate waited to the very last second to submit their CFA.
~ The AFA will wait to start moving the list because their WCS can impact everyone else. It may mean that they have 4 noms (Pres, 3 MOCs), and depending on who they charge that appointment to it will trickle down to the next and the next.

The AFA, unless this year is different, does not go state by state. Theoretically it would be too difficult because you have Presidential, ROTC and Supe. They go slate by slate. If all 10 have a WCS the MOC can be charged.
 
If you use the numbers supplied, and the system being yr end strength. It would leave 3200, and they can only have 4400.

When apptmts are given they must assume every one will accept, thus that is why the AFA has come out with @1350 apptmts. max, with a 1050 class size. It is also why they stated next yr they plan to have 1150 like 2015 compared to this yr.
 
Jbodeau said:
I'm not sure if this is true, but someone on the admission Facebook site said that he had called his counselor yesterday and she said only about 200 + of the appointments have been finalized. Could it be that this week is the week that the Academy sends out appointments to people who are filling MOC slots and that another wave of appointments from the NWL will come out soon after?

It just seems that everyone has different information. I don't really know what to believe right now!
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I read this post. If I am going to believe anyone it would be the Admissions office themselves although at times they do have conflicting statements based on what people report that they say. Class of 2016 Let's goooo!
 
Maybe it is my age or cynism, but I noticed a key word in that statement.

but someone on the admission Facebook site said that he had called his counselor yesterday and she said only about 200 + of the appointments have been finalized.
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People want to hear/read what they desire. There is a difference between finalized and appointed.

Finalized= accepted appointment. Appointed = appointed no response from the candidate.

The AFA always offers more appointments than the expected class size. They expect candidate to decline appointments.

The real question that the poster from FB should have asked is how many appointments have been offered?

It is all in the way the question is posed. Look back a few pages ago and a poster stated that the MOC staff said they have several on the slate that received an apptmt.

For posters that understand the system knew that this was the wrong question because an MOC has a limited amount that they can be charged. 5 at any given time,and traditionally if an MOC has 2 available they will submit 2 slates of 10, not 1 slate of 10 and take 2.

The question that poster should have asked was if the MOC was already charged. It would have at least told them that for the MOC was over, and now it was how they rank in the pool.

I see "finalized" the same way. The AFA did not tell the candidate how many appointments have been offered, they told the candidate how many said "yes" that were offered an appointment? As a candidate don't you care about how many were offered more than how many said "yes"

Devil is always in the details.


Sorry if I burst your bubble. I know all of you want hope. I know your heart breaks everytime you see some poster add their name to the class apptmt list. I get it, but I want you all to also understand that it doesn't end with the TWE. Your dream will go on until you are 23. You have control too.

General Gould to Lt. Smith has experienced the "at this time,we are sorry, but...." It is what they do after receiving the "at this time". OBTW, in case you don't know Gen. Gould, was a prepster. Look at him now! The AFA IMPO has the best because he is out the door an amazing leader. Prejudice, I know, but he deserves that adoration from me.
 
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Pima said:
There is a difference between finalized and appointed.
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Great observation Pima which confirms the many sources saying the bulk of the appointments have been made although some appointees have not heard yet from their nominating source.

Pima said:
I know your heart breaks everytime you see some poster add their name to the class apptmt list. I get it, but I want you all to also understand that it doesn't end with the TWE. Your dream will go on until you are 23.
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Couldn't agree more. DS is on his second year applying. When he came back from NWP this winter, he said "I'm glad I didn't get an appointment last year. I wasn't ready."
 
Blackbird said:
Great observation Pima which confirms the many sources saying the bulk of the appointments have been made although some appointees have not heard yet from their nominating source.



Couldn't agree more. DS is on his second year applying. When he came back from NWP this winter, he said "I'm glad I didn't get an appointment last year. I wasn't ready."
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Your son will benefit from another year before going to the academy, I know of a couple of younger appointees who just weren't ready for the fourth class year and chose to leave. Others were in for a shock academically. I remember you from last year, and my DS tells me that NWP candidates do very well at the academy. Good Luck!
 
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