Class of 2016-Mailbox Stalkers Club

Romad said:
It's been a real pleasure to have spent time with you over this last year and I wish each and every one of you a BFE, success, health , and happiness!!!


Best Regards

Romad :smile:
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Pleasure has been mine as well. Good luck to your family - it is hard to believe it has been over a year since we first came on this forum.
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Romad said:
It's been a real pleasure to have spent time with you over this last year and I wish each and every one of you a BFE, success, health , and happiness!!!

Best Regards

Romad :smile:
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You will be missed! Thanks for your continual encouragement and humor. Best wishes to you and your DS.
 
National Pool

I just found out my son was placed in the National Pool. What are the chances and averages of being selected out of that? Is it usually after the deadline of declining offers>
 
2016USAFA said:
Same as LFry here in CT, I haven't heard anything. No TWE's today or yesterday, either.
No news may not be good news, but at least it's not painful.
We'll have to see where this take me... I really have no idea if I am on track for an appointment or not :/
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Same here. Just wanted to let you know I'm in the same boat. Hopefully we get some good news tomorrow with the portal update (supposed, don't hold me to that) or by the end of the week with mailings (once again, just according to information from pima). No news might be good news. Frustrating and nerving, but still true.
 
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Joshmom said:
I just found out my son was placed in the National Pool. What are the chances and averages of being selected out of that? Is it usually after the deadline of declining offers>
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I think there was a post earlier that discussed this. But in short, with the planned class size of 1050+/- appointees, just subtract about 550+ MOC, 250 USAFA Prep, 100 Falcon, Sports and diversity recruits, some assorted US territories, VP and Presidentials. Simple math tells you that the number of appointees will not be very big from the national pool.

There will be some jostling around with people declining appointments, others not being able to fulfill their commitments, etc. But all in all the numbers are just very small this year. No reason to panic, but just keep things in perspective.

Good Luck!
 
Mailbox stalkers club

How are you finding out about your DS or DD being in the national pool?
 
blamo said:
How are you finding out about your DS or DD being in the national pool?
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Ditto that. Last year DS got notified in a letter in April. Looks that way again for him. He is ok with whatever comes to be, he knows he has no controll. It was funny, when he was home for break from college he was saying he wishes he was born a few years earlier because the class sizes were bigger. He is happy in ROTC but boy his dream was/is the Academy since he was in 3rd grade. Hard to see that go but to get on the NWL (if that is what happens) 2 years in a row is something special. Couldn't get any closer. Makes a parent proud doesn't it? Good luck everyone!
 
Romad, thank you for all of your encouraging posts along the way. Congratulations to you, your DS, and your family. Your DS is truly in the driver's seat of the rest of his life--what an amazing ride it will be for him and his proud family. Good luck to all of you. :thumb:
 
Basically no news is good news regarding the POOL.

There is no AFA official letter saying you are in the pool, however, they do send the official QNV and ADQ letter. The RD may decide to tell a candidate that they are in the pool. This yr is the 1st in my 4 yrs to see ADQ letters come down.

If you have not been told anything, you are likely in the pool.

One very important thing to understand about the pool is it is now NATIONAL. This is no longer candidates from Nebraska against other candidates from Nebraska. This is like AFROTC because now it is NATIONALLY how you stand from a WCS perspective.


A line will be drawn, first X numbers get in. Below X, well you get the drift.
 
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Josh called his admissions counselor. He knew a friend of his from the same Congressman nominations had received the appointment from that office, but still hadnt heard anything. He was told that if other Congressmen who didnt have applicants in their area can utilize other "leftover" Congressmans nominees...

Josh has wanted this since he can remember, his father is a USAFA 84 grad so we already spent alot of his life up there and the thought of not being able to go is emotional of course. Thankfully, he has a wonderful backup (Merchant Marine Academy) but that takes alot of rethinking about his future goals.

Good luck to all those still waiting and congratulations to those who already have heard!
 
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Joshmom said:
He was told that if other Congressmen who didnt have applicants in their area can utilize other "leftover" Congressmans nominees...
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BS flag!

I am not trying to be rude, mean or a beaach. I am just trying to say the pool is not an MOC leftover. The system is very concise an the pool cannot use an MOC charge.
 
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Romad, Congratulations to your son. At least half the battle is figuring out what you don't want. The rest is figuring out what you do want. Now that your son has both figured out he is well down the road to success.
Good luck.
 
I dont know the detail, all we heard is that when the nominees are ranked in order, the leftoevers can make up slack from districts who had no applicants from their area. Maybe thats a different verbage for what the "pool" is drawn from, I dont know. I never said they "trade"...however it is a fact that not EVERY Congressman and Senator have applicants from there area every year leaving open spots that had been allocated to them.

Josh was told that those open spots get utilized from the "pool" and the rankings of the candidates matter.

No need for a "BS Flag" ...sometimes people just dont know the "exact verbage" on how to explain what they mean.
 
Exactly...that the entire package of ranking and points still matter...but the pool is not only for the people who decline their offers in the first round, but those districts who didnt have applicants therefore leaving open spots that had been allocated...

Thats all I was trying to say.........

I was also told that this is where the Academies balance out their statistics (whatever that means)
 
Joshmom said:
I dont know the detail, all we heard is that when the nominees are ranked in order, the leftoevers can make up slack from districts who had no applicants from their area. Maybe thats a different verbage for what the "pool" is drawn from, I dont know. I never said they "trade"...however it is a fact that not EVERY Congressman and Senator have applicants from there area every year leaving open spots that had been allocated to them.

Josh was told that those open spots get utilized from the "pool" and the rankings of the candidates matter.

No need for a "BS Flag" ...sometimes people just dont know the "exact verbage" on how to explain what they mean.
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There is so much misinformation out there, some of it takes the form of garbled communications. My understanding is that the candidates from the National Pool are assigned by the academy to fill the class. The academy has the ability to offer appointments outside of the Members of Congress, i.e. there are Presidential Nominations that they can assign to a candidate they want to appoint, etc.

The real issue is that for the past few years the classes have been so small, 1118 for the class of 2015 and 1050+/- for the class of 2016. That there simply is not much leeway for the academy to offer appointments from the national pool of candidates. In prior years, 2013, 2014, there were hundreds of such appointments from the national pool that were offered after the normal slate of candidates were given appointments. No such thing happened last year and this year the class has 60+/- less slots. It's is not encouraging, I know, but it is probably close to the truth of the situation.

Point is that it is a good time to get moving with your plan B and C while keeping an eye on USAFA, there is always some late josling where some people get a notification of QNV and subsequently are given an offer of appointment or prep. But this is a small number of people and it is not a situation you can depend on happening. I wish you and everyone here the best, and I think people will likely know something fairly soon.
 
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MOC's submit slates, and they can only be charged if that candidate is on their slate.

I.E. Congressman Cantor (VA) cannot tell the AFA take Congressman Boehner's applicant.

That was where I put up the BS Flag.

Joshmom said:
all we heard is that when the nominees are ranked in order, the leftoevers can make up slack from districts who had no applicants from their area.
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Joshmom said:
but the pool is not only for the people who decline their offers in the first round, but those districts who didnt have applicants therefore leaving open spots that had been allocated...
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Whoever told you this has no clue on the appointment system.

It is not true!

Honestly, no offense, but I don't know an MOC in our country that had no applicants. Additionally, whether or not an MOC submits doesn't matter, because they have that right and the SA knows that fact. The pool is not about MOCs.

The pool exists because when you add up PRES. VP. MOC, ROTC there is still a way to enter. NOM is needed, but a candidate can come under Supe, which is not a source.

I sincerely apologize for the BS flag comment. I didn't see it as verbage. I saw it as whoever told you this was handing you a line of BS.

I truly meant no offense to you, my issue was it is BS anyone telling you:
Joshmom said:
however it is a fact that not EVERY Congressman and Senator have applicants from there area every year leaving open spots that had been allocated to them.

Josh was told that those open spots get utilized from the "pool" and the rankings of the candidates matter.
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It is a lie. Nobody from the pool will get apptd to another MOC if they are not on that MOC slate. The pool has nothing to do with MOC's it is all about the WCS from a national perspective.

I am not trying to be beaach, I am trying to assist posters/lurkers on how the apptmt system works.

If you believe that an MOC did not submit a slate and thus that means there is 1 more apptmt available from the pool, you will be in a world of pain, because that is not the way it works.

If you accept that X amount from Pres., VP, MOC, ROTC can be charged and the remainder can come from the pool, than you will be right.
 
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I didn't interpret her post the same as you did. A MOC that does not use all of his spots will certainly get used but not charged to him. The class size still needs to be 1050 or whatever. So those unused slots get used elsewhere.
I have heard of MOC's slots not getting used in some districts but don't know or care if it's true.

No need to have a pissing match.
 
Packer said:
I didn't interpret her post the same as you did. A MOC that does not use all of his spots will certainly get used but not charged to him. The class size still needs to be 1050 or whatever. So those unused slots get used elsewhere.
I have heard of MOC's slots not getting used in some districts but don't know or care if it's true.

No need to have a pissing match.
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It's getting emotional, but lets not turn negative on each other. Everyone is trying to do their best to give people the best information to help them understand what is going on.

I have known Pima since last year and met Bullet. They are caring and supportive people who hosted my son on a military visit prior to his induction. I know she means well and I hope that people get great news this week. But these past couple of years have been really tough on the applicants as well as people on this forum.

Best,
 
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