March 8th, 2011 AROTC Board
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mariner116
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It does not sound very different. Even last year CC had to approve any changes. I would still say getting a PMS on your side is important.
Also, these money issues are at the PMS level. For any changes that affect budget I would encourage direct conversations with the PMS in addition to a ROO.
I certainly understand the frustration you are going through during this process. Waiting this long can be difficult at best.
The fact the Major at your #1 school seemed eager for you to attend will work in your favor in competing for a campus scholarship, I would definatly keep in contact with her.
Understand that the basic Stats people have listed are just the tip of the iceberg. While your GPA and Test scores may look to be higher, there are many other factors that go into the decision. Leadership has a large impact on the application as does the interview. While the interview sheet has a point value, max 200, there is also a statement the PMS can make for the applicant that we have been told can carry a lot of weight. Just having 200 points on the interview is not always enough, many applicants had 200 interviews. Try not to dissect the process too much, it will make your head spin.
Keep your name and face at the forefront of the cadre at your #1 school, it will go a long way in pushing you to the top of their in school OML for a campus scholarship.
Good luck, I hope they do release more offers.
Transfers do have to be approved by CC, in our case there is no transfer request, just a conversion from 3 year OOS to 4 year IS since DS was awarded IS tuition rates because of academics. I honestly don't know when it started, I'm just relaying what ROO told us yesterday...and that is that previously a conversion like my DS will be requesting was done at the PMS/ROO level and CC was just notified about the change, but transfers from one location to another had to go through CC. We do have ROO and PMS on our side and if CC turns DS' request down, they will work with us on an appeal. It would just be easiest if CC would approve our request to save them $35K!!! But, this is the government we're talking about...
...and being a Navy brat and a USAF wife, nothing surprises me anymore.I agree. In talking with the ROO at one of my DS's choices and also a friend talked to yet another ROO - both said (and I have heard time and time again
it's not all about grades -- it's the whole package. SAL (Scholar Athlete Leader) It has been said a weakness in one area can be compensated for in another but in reality a deficiency in one area likely will be a strike. Also once the ACT or SAT is above a certain cutoff (and this year it looks like from the interview form that cutoff was 24 for ACT) then I'm not sure how many more points higher than that gets you. (I don't know - just a conjecture.) In reality, you need leadership and a demonstration of service (since afterall isn't that what the military is all about?) If you don't have it in HS, then what makes the board think you have potential for it? Again, just my take on the whole thing after putting the pieces of this process together over the last several month. So for all you freshman and sophomores inHS out there, get volunteering and stick with the sports (club, HS, or rec). There are plenty of scholarship competitions that reward parts of the HS student (look how many opportunites there are for the high academic achievers, or for star athletes or those who start philanthropic services in their community) but an AROTC scholarship is about the whole person. I'm not trying to take anything away from those who have yet to hear (you have the credentials, I'm sure from what I can see) -- I'm just trying to put it in perspective and maybe offer a little explanation to an otherwise perplexing system and I'm just hoping to offer guidance for those future applicants. And still praying for those who have not had the news they had hoped for yet.The_Animal
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If that's true, I'm gonna be pissed. I didn't put that much effort into the ACT just to be limited at a half-assed score.
Hard to believe that someone who has a composite score of 34 wouldn't be rated higher than someone with a 24...could it really be?
Oh I agree it is worth more in terms of weight I did not mean that at all. I'm just not sure what the factor is. If you look at the interview worksheet there is a point value for ACT above 24 . Now that is just the interview form not the evaluation from the board. That may be where more weight is given for a high score. That 's what I was referring to . Sorry for the confusion.
This what we were told
Anything 24 or higher would not give you more points on the interview sheet -but could be viewed differently by the review committee, especially if everything else was equal. Then the sheet that was posted on this forum about a week ago said above a 24 was worth the max points which I took to mean 25-36 all earned the same amount of points. This is slightly different than the first information. I specifically asked the ROO about the scoring in 2009 because why take the ACT again if a 24 or a 34 was worth the same amount of points and at that time he confirmed that the higher score was not worth more points on the interview sheet.
These thing change but this was the information we based the ACT strategy on.
Anything 24 or higher would not give you more points on the interview sheet -but could be viewed differently by the review committee, especially if everything else was equal. Then the sheet that was posted on this forum about a week ago said above a 24 was worth the max points which I took to mean 25-36 all earned the same amount of points. This is slightly different than the first information. I specifically asked the ROO about the scoring in 2009 because why take the ACT again if a 24 or a 34 was worth the same amount of points and at that time he confirmed that the higher score was not worth more points on the interview sheet.
These thing change but this was the information we based the ACT strategy on.
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We are in the same boat, just need to transfer 4 years to Citadel to Norwich...Its proving to be an uphill battle..Good luck
We are in the same boat, just need to transfer 4 years to Citadel to Norwich...Its proving to be an uphill battle..Good luck
So letters being recieved means game over...correct?
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Yes we are in the same boat; let’s hope we both find a friendly port to dock in with CC.
My son is in at VA Tech, so I must convince CC to move the scholarship there, God willing. I wish you well; I fear we may both need it.
It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required. WC
Yes we are in the same boat; let’s hope we both find a friendly port to dock in with CC.
My son is in at VA Tech, so I must convince CC to move the scholarship there, God willing. I wish you well; I fear we may both need it.
It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required. WC
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Good afternoon. Just finished up reading everyone's updates on schools and transfers, kind of glad this is over. SMP or 3 yr AD can be controlled by DS to an extent - funding must be available and he must decided where to put his energy. No more trying to see behind the CC curtain to see the wizard.
Wish all of you luck with theses transfers, it doesn't sound like anyone is expecting to trade a low end state school for a cadillac Ivy, so I would hope CC would make it happen.
I have checked DS's status for the last time. There is peace in just accepting their decision and moving on. Don't let what you cannot do change what you can do -- DS has done much better than I thought he might and is being pretty matter of fact about it. His mature handling of this makes it 10x easier for me to move on. So what, my baby didn't win the most beautiful baby contests either, but more than anything my babies all know you just don't quit anything you value, work hard, smarter and get it done. He is meant to lead, any group he's ever joined has seen it and put him in charge -- ROTC will be no different. I love Pima's "what do they call a 2LT with a scholarship or without? LT". So, he'll compete, and win, a campus based if they're available or he'll join Guard and SMP. It will be what its supposed to be. And it will be for all the other applicants who were denied or awarded scholarships too. Chase the dream, this is only the begining of your story. I'll be around to check up on everyone -- and I'll let you know when DS decides which option is right for him.
Go Bobcats!! Ohio University here he comes.
Wish all of you luck with theses transfers, it doesn't sound like anyone is expecting to trade a low end state school for a cadillac Ivy, so I would hope CC would make it happen.
I have checked DS's status for the last time. There is peace in just accepting their decision and moving on. Don't let what you cannot do change what you can do -- DS has done much better than I thought he might and is being pretty matter of fact about it. His mature handling of this makes it 10x easier for me to move on. So what, my baby didn't win the most beautiful baby contests either, but more than anything my babies all know you just don't quit anything you value, work hard, smarter and get it done. He is meant to lead, any group he's ever joined has seen it and put him in charge -- ROTC will be no different. I love Pima's "what do they call a 2LT with a scholarship or without? LT". So, he'll compete, and win, a campus based if they're available or he'll join Guard and SMP. It will be what its supposed to be. And it will be for all the other applicants who were denied or awarded scholarships too. Chase the dream, this is only the begining of your story. I'll be around to check up on everyone -- and I'll let you know when DS decides which option is right for him.
Go Bobcats!! Ohio University here he comes.
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I can only report on today’s events. I believe the game as you say, is far from over. I wish you luck in the coming days, as I do every one that awaits the final draw from CC, but I think it would be fair to say the odds have lengthen somewhat.
I can only report on today’s events. I believe the game as you say, is far from over. I wish you luck in the coming days, as I do every one that awaits the final draw from CC, but I think it would be fair to say the odds have lengthen somewhat.
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I wish you had better news Ohio, but here is a thought. My kid made it to the National Wait List this year for USMA and did not get in. However, his admissions officer suggested something that is a little out there to achieve admittance next year. He suggested National Guard or enlisting and trying for one of the 140 spots (which are rarely filled) reserved for enlisted soliders. DS wants college experience and thru a miracle from CC he will get that and ROTC, so he was not going to go down that road. However, he does plan on re-applying for the class of 2016, and see if he can create another option for next year. To qualify for one of these 140 spots you must complete basic training. If your son does go down the National Guard route, this may be an excellent idea to gain admittance to West Point. Hard to find a better education and leadership skills than at the Academy. Hope this gives you just one more idea for your DS to explore. Best to you... KevsPop
I wish you had better news Ohio, but here is a thought. My kid made it to the National Wait List this year for USMA and did not get in. However, his admissions officer suggested something that is a little out there to achieve admittance next year. He suggested National Guard or enlisting and trying for one of the 140 spots (which are rarely filled) reserved for enlisted soliders. DS wants college experience and thru a miracle from CC he will get that and ROTC, so he was not going to go down that road. However, he does plan on re-applying for the class of 2016, and see if he can create another option for next year. To qualify for one of these 140 spots you must complete basic training. If your son does go down the National Guard route, this may be an excellent idea to gain admittance to West Point. Hard to find a better education and leadership skills than at the Academy. Hope this gives you just one more idea for your DS to explore. Best to you... KevsPop
Wish it was true, but that's exactly the spot my DS is in. Not low end state, but IS to Ivy. We'll see if he has any luck. We aren't holding our breath and he can always compete on campus for a 3 year. The Ivy was #1 on his list and the IS was #5. Guess we should have taken PatentEsq's path and put all privates on the list??? Who knows how this all works, but we really had no information and I found this site after he submitted, so he did the best he could with the lack of information he had!
Good luck to everyone in the transfer process. DS wants to do ROTC no matter what, so hopefully it will work out.
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Just correcting your numbers from what we've been told at MALO training and through our RC. There are actually 170 slots - 85 each for Active Duty and Reserve/Guard. My understanding is that the Reserve/Guard ones are more likely to fill than the regular Active Duty ones (someone who is actually enlisted and currently serving rather than having just completed basic training) - I have 3 candidates in my area currently doing that for 2016 (who are current HS juniors. However, it is correct that they have a hard time filling these with qualified candidates so there's a very strong chance your son could get one of those nominations and thus appointments if he did complete basic training this summer.
Thanks for the response VB DAD. Wow it is incredible how long they can draw this process out. Everytime i accept the fact that it is over, somebody else pops up in here with a win which is completely awesome. I just hope that it is over soon for better or worse. My time to make a decision is drawing near and the more I wait the better SMP is sounding.
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Quick question. If I haven't heard anything, does that mean I didn't get a scholarship?