March 8th, 2011 AROTC Board

:frown: Too late...sad but you already did. We know that diversifying exists, but that doesn't mean those chosen were not qualified. DS is fair haired WM non scholarship and I would never sow the seeds of dissension in him toward anyone else that may have won when he did not. GoinBroke whether you intended that or not I can not judge, but that is the result of that kind of post.

Going away for the weekend with my DS to a Christian Youth convention. I think I have A LOT to be thankful for regardless of scholarship outcome. I hope everyone has a wonderful Easter. Thanks for the support these last months. I will check back on Sunday or Monday to see how things finally turned out for everyone.

Have an amazing weekend of fellowship and family - you have earned it. Yes, inspite of everything, we too have a huge amount to be thankful for this Easter season.
 
Our DS is caucasian, on AFROTC scholarship; will be commissioned 2012. I do not believe that any minority scholarship recipient got a scholarship based on their genetic markers over another candidate.

I especially feel this way with AROTC.

I state this because a big part of the scholarship process is the college selection; this is not an AFROTC issue since school selections are not part of the process. Have you considered that some, including the white males, did not match the school to their profile/package and sex/race was never the issue, but caliber was?

This thread has never been political, it has been a resource of support in the roller coaster ride regarding the process.

Look, I will be on your side if you say our DS had a 34 ACT/1390 SAT, IB student with an uwgpa of 3.8, and wgpa of 4.5, NHS, SC, plus Lifeguard with 20 saves as a part time job yr round for 3 yrs, National/State champ of some sport, and volunteered for Habitat of Humanity and yet he didn't even get his safety for the scholarship, when the school gave him merit of 25K a yr.

However, if you are going to say it was all about being a white male, I will part ways with you.

OBTW, that profile was our DS's for the AFROTC scholarship in 08.

I know of many candidates that are great academically, but are short in the EC field. I also know mant that are great atheletically, but short on the academics.

These boards look for the well rounded candidate. They understand that the book smart kid has trouble adjusting to college because they have never had the freedom they will experience in college, where the folks are not there to monitor to them, or the fact that they can't adjust to the socialization aspect since all they ever did was hit the books.

They know the same is true for the jock. These kids may not have the academic foundation to make it. They also have issues of not being the "JOCK", the "Captain", and emotionally can't translate it into success at college.

The kid who did it all in HS, is the best bet. They weren't the valedictorian, they were however, at the top of the class. They weren't the Captain of the team, but they spent yrs on the team showing dedication, even if they were not the King.

Those are the kids they want because they are the ones that manage to be able to balance their lives.

Whole Candidate Score is named that because they are looking at the WHOLE package. Not just one aspect.

Maybe minorities do get an edge, but not to the level you are trying to insinuate. The candidate that has a much lower scoring package, but is a minority, is not going to take the place of the candidate that has a higher WCS.

Yes, the military wants to reflect the genetic make up of our society, but not at the cost of the military. I know 2 African Americans in the AD world that went up for O4, and believed they had it clinched for promotion based on your theory. They were passed over.

I also find it insulting to insinuate that minorities, including women are not on the same level as white males.

My DD is a great student, she is not ROTC, but I would bet my life that her package was stronger than many white males.

FWIW, my brother is an Albino, my POV on this subject is based on my youth and what my parents taught me. The only difference between a my brother, myself and an African American is the amount of PIGMENT in our skin.

Done venting.
 
FWIW, my brother is an Albino, my POV on this subject is based on my youth and what my parents taught me. The only difference between a my brother, myself and an African American is the amount of PIGMENT in our skin.

Done venting.

AMEN:thumb:
 
Go for it!!

As the mother of one of those white boys who didn't get a scholarship, it really doesn't matter who did get one, black, yellow, purple or blue. Sometimes life isn't fair and yes, it sucks, but race issues, as well as political issues, are not part of this forum thread. We support the kids period.

Now, here's something OT, but you all might want to help me out....I'm considering returning to college for an associates degree in Medical Information Technologies/Unit coodinator/Coding Specialist. Anyone with medical careers, please feel free to contact me via PM -- 44 years old and considering college with my 2 kiddos, who'd have thunk it:wink:

I sent you a PM.
 
GoinBroke - Relying on a Congressman's Explanation?

As we see every day, many in Congress of both parties owe their positions to the fact that their districts have been gerrymandered.

Their stupidity and venality transcends race, sex and political affiliation.
 
Affirmative discrimination is definitely part of the process. Anyone that doesn't see it is blind or stupid.

Not saying it is wrong or shouldn't' happen but its a fact of life with many government jobs.
 
Reponse to goinbroke

grrrrr. I really don't want to get into this. However goin broke if you look at a post I made last week it has my DS's stats. He WAS not awarded a scholarship. And if I ever had an inkling that he was awarded because of his racial makeup (to include German!) we would kick it to the curb. It's hard enough as a parent to convince their young adult that being viewed as a minority greases the path to wins. My DS was competitively chosen as a counselor/lifeguard volunteer for a camp last summer that he had been a participant of for the prior three years. The jokes among the other counserlors were that he got "in" b/c of his racial makeup. This is SIMPLY not true. It breaks my heart that there are those still out there. As I've said before unfortunately I don't think I'll outlive this kind of perception among those few in my lifetime. Heartbreaking.

Again I congratulate all awardees. We have had a fantastic time supporting each other and I wish everyone the best.
 
Back on topic because our goal should be "WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CANDIDATE/CADET"

Right now, in a few days/weeks you will all be moving on, be it a scholarship recipient with plan A, or plan B...different options to get to the commissioning.

Some of you will apply for the next ROTC scholarship round as a college student.

Time to talk to the BN and ask chances. Ask what needs to be done as a freshman to secure the best chance of receiving it. Is there a particular major or gpa? Do you need to be very active, noteworthy if they are going to do X town.

You need to start preparing for the new path.

You also need to actually have a heart to heart with your child. Some kids do this because they think this is the best financial path and never realize that life as an AD officer is not what they assumed it would be.

It means they belong to the military and can place them in any job or at any post they want. It means 24/7/365 for 4 yrs after graduation.

As hard as it is to read, it can be a blessing if they don't get the scholarship. It is more than just getting school and books paid for plus a stipend. It is your child being told they will be stationed in S. Korea for 2 yrs or Iraq.

Bullet's cousin graduated from the USNA 1 yr after he graduated from AFROTC. 18 months later Gulf I occurred. Bullet couldn't wait to go, biting at the bit. Cousin was the opposite. Another cousin asked how he could be so different than Bullet, and why he joined. Answer: It was free and I liked the look of the uniform!

Swear on my kids life that was his answer. He never thought about the what if? The what if became a reality. He never thought when he entered 4 yrs earlier war would be an issue. He never thought passed graduation.

He dived as soon as possible. He realized that he made a deal with the devil and signed on without ever asking the WHAT IF!
 
I also find it insulting to insinuate that minorities, including women, are not on the same level as white males.

My DD is a great student, she is not ROTC, but I would bet my life that her package was stronger than many white males.

FWIW, my brother is an Albino, my POV on this subject is based on my youth and what my parents taught me. The only difference between a my brother, myself and an African American is the amount of PIGMENT in our skin.

Done venting.

Pima, you rock!
 
OK so to change the subject I though I would post some information I learned today. My husband talked to the ROO at out DD's school choice (BAMA). She is going there either way. He said he actually doesn't have the list yet of who is getting scholarships. He did say that there has been at least one person he knows who received notification today. We are still going under the assumption that she is not getting one and are moving forward with option B. The ROO told us to make sure we keep in contact, that she comes to see him during orientation and to go ahead and sign up for her ROTC classes. He will not know what campus based money he has until all this pans out but he had many people show up last year with no scholarship and end up with one by the end of the first semester. I would think most programs are run this way. He did also say that we would receive a letter either way. She is moving forward with this plan and hopefully everything will work out! Good luck to everyone!
 
DODMERB question

What, if any status change will occur on the DODMERB site? Our DS has been DODMERB qualified since dec and his status reflects that. Scholarship page says something about 72 hours and to check the site.
We expect to get the official scholarship letter in the mail today or tomorrow and hopefully it will have more information.
 
Thanks for your post Pima. Didn't know how to respond to the OP but you are well taken.
 
What, if any status change will occur on the DODMERB site? Our DS has been DODMERB qualified since dec and his status reflects that. Scholarship page says something about 72 hours and to check the site.
We expect to get the official scholarship letter in the mail today or tomorrow and hopefully it will have more information.

They are talking more about the applicants that received a scholarship off but have not gone through the Dodmerb process. Since your son has already been qualified there will probably be no change to the page.
 
Before I move on, I want to say one last thing about the discrimination issue from a military leadership POV.

Nobody in the foxhole will care what your gender, race or sexual orientation is. All they care about is covering their 6.

Nobody ever associated in any branch believed the Colin Powell was not worthy to be the JCS over the white male. Powell was adored by every troop member. Powell or McPeak? Powell hands down! He deserved because he was the best officer who could lead ALL of the troops. He to this day is loved, admired and respected as the leader they would follow into war.

As a 40 some odd yr white woman, IMPO I think the saddest day in my life was back in the 90's when he decided he would not run for the presidency. It was only surpassed by the fact that he stated race and fear for his family's safety caused him to determine our country was not ready to have a Black president.

For kids who want to be in the military please realize, back in his day ROTC cadets didn't make General, let alone JCS. I truly believe there will be a JCS in 20 yrs that was an OCS.

It is what you do in the AD world that matters.


Back on topic
morgan0704 said:
He said he actually doesn't have the list yet of who is getting scholarships

The thing is to remember this process is an up and down movement. The HQ makes the decision, releases it, and the BN gets it, than it moves back up regarding the list.

Don't jump yet. The dust needs to settle.

Prepare yourself for the worst, and move on with your life. If the best happens, GREAT! If it doesn't you will be sitting better off.
 
hey all! I am still praying for everyone on this board. I just wanted to let y'all know that DS received his official letter today.

INFJ
 
I resisted weighing in on this subject.

The directives and articles some have referenced regarding race have never stated that preferential treatment be given to minorities. The mission is directed toward recruiting. The main argument has been that a minority applicant received a scholarship with lesser stats then someone else. Well....My son, who is white, (Has red hair, so really white) received a scholarship and his stats are well below some of the applicants on this board that did not receive a scholarship. I don't believe race had anything to do with that, even though red headed Gingers seem to feel a bit oppressed these days.

Time to move on.
 
They are talking more about the applicants that received a scholarship off but have not gone through the Dodmerb process. Since your son has already been qualified there will probably be no change to the page.

Thanks. That's what I was thinking, but there are so many unknowns in this process.
 
Well, congratulations to all those who have received a scholarship this year. Congratulations also to those who missed it now, but will get a 3 yr. from the school they attend. The 3 yr. might come in the next couple of months, or after being in your ROTC unit for six months at your college. If you really want it, you'll figure out a way to make it happen. Congratulations also to those who will swear into Guard or Reserve in the next month, got to basic training, and attend college that way... or with Guard/Reserve + ROTC in the SMP program.

Now, here's our update/experience:

- Learned of a 4 yr. scholarship to one of the UCs (In-state) on Thursday last week. Tuition is $11,500 this year, and expected to go up $1k - $2k per year for several years. Learned that that particular communication was not supposed to happen that Thursday... that ROOs are supposed to confirm this week, but not last.
- Learned that same Thursday from contacting the TCU (you know, national champions in football this year)/Baylor battalion that something might be offered to DD out of Cadet Command from one or both of their schools, but nothing could be confirmed at that time.
- Got on the plane with DD and wife to visit both TCU and Baylor yesterday am, a trip planned in January to see which school she preferred, with or without ROTC. Arrived to TCU mid afternoon to tour the campus and meet with the PMS. He told us of DD's 3 year scholarship to Baylor (which collaborates with him as Host TCU -- same budget), and that if DD much preferred TCU to Baylor, that the scholarship could likely be swapped over. Both schools have identical tuition+fees, which is about $32,500
- Leaned that most offers out of CC this 3rd round were for 4 yr. in-state, or 3 year expensive (private of OOS public).
- Learned that currently most ROTC cadets (about 60%) get to go AD when they commission, but that is likely to change bigtime. In four years time, assuming no major engagements, most ROTC cadets (guess is 60%) are likely to have to go Reserve (IRR) or Guard, as there won't be enough demand for junior officers at that time vs. currently. The only thing a cadet can do to control that decision is to keep their GPA up, perform well within the Unit, and score highly on the PFT. Low GPAs won't stand a chance... as GPA is 40% of the total score used in national rankings. GPA is *not* adusted for major (i.e. engineering vs. Art History), or for school (i.e. Cornell with its 4.2 HS GPA students vs. directional State U with its 3.1 HS GPA students). Hmmm... that's the next battle for some statistical whiz at CC -- to normalize GPA across majors, and across schools. It's already begun at gradeinflation.com... so it couldn't be that difficult to map that data on a larger scale for the use of the Army. The Academies likewise to not normalize GPA across majors, so my assumption is that they would need to do it first, then ROTCs would follow... esp. Engineering vs. non-Engineering.

-After touring and visiting Berkeley, UCLA, TCU and Baylor, DD much prefers Baylor as a campus, and it helps that Baylor is quite strong in her academic interest .... Biology. Already discussing the wisdom of using the 5 in AP Bio to start bio in the sophomore level classes...
 
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Well, congratulations to all those who have received a scholarship this year. Congratulations also to those who missed it now, but will get a 3 yr. from the school they attend. The 3 yr. might come in the next couple of months, or after being in your ROTC unit for six months at your college. If you really want it, you'll figure out a way to make it happen. Congratulations also to those who will swear into Guard or Reserve in the next month, got to basic training, and attend college that way... or with Guard/Reserve + ROTC in the SMP program.

Now, here's our update/experience:

- Learned of a 4 yr. scholarship to one of the UCs (In-state) on Thursday last week. Tuition is $11,500 this year, and expected to go up $1k - $2k per year for several years. Learned that that particular communication was not supposed to happen that Thursday... that ROOs are supposed to confirm this week, but not last.
- Learned that same Thursday from contacting the TCU (you know, national champions in football this year)/Baylor battalion that something might be offered to DD out of Cadet Command from one or both of their schools, but nothing could be confirmed at that time.
- Got on the plane with DD and wife to visit both TCU and Baylor yesterday am, a trip planned in January to see which school she preferred, with or without ROTC. Arrived to TCU mid afternoon to tour the campus and meet with the PMS. He told us of DD's 3 year scholarship to Baylor (which collaborates with him as Host TCU -- same budget), and that if DD much preferred TCU to Baylor, that the scholarship could likely be swapped over. Both schools have identical tuition+fees, which is about $32,500
- Leaned that most offers out of CC this 3rd round were for 4 yr. in-state, or 3 year expensive (private of OOS public).
- Learned that currently most ROTC cadets (about 60%) get to go AD when they commission, but that is likely to change bigtime. In four years time, assuming no major engagements, most ROTC cadets (guess is 60%) are likely to have to go Reserve (IRR) or Guard, as there won't be enough demand for junior officers at that time vs. currently. The only thing a cadet can do to control that decision is to keep their GPA up, perform well within the Unit, and score highly on the PFT. Low GPAs won't stand a chance... as GPA is 40% of the total score used in national rankings. GPA is *not* adusted for major (i.e. engineering vs. Art History), or for school (i.e. Cornell with its 4.2 HS GPA students vs. directional State U with its 3.1 HS GPA students). Hmmm... that's the next battle for some statistical whiz at CC -- to normalize GPA across majors, and across schools. It's already begun at gradeinflation.com... so it couldn't be that difficult to map that data on a larger scale for the use of the Army. The Academies likewise to not normalize GPA across majors, so my assumption is that they would need to do it first, then ROTCs would follow... esp. Engineering vs. non-Engineering.

-After touring and visiting Berkeley, UCLA, TCU and Baylor, DD much prefers Baylor as a campus, and it helps that Baylor is quite strong in her academic interest .... Biology. Already discussing the wisdom of using the 5 in AP Bio to start bio in the sophomore level classes...

Good stuff. What is AD?
 
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