Nominations-Is it a done deal

Discussion in 'Nominations' started by FAS, Jan 8, 2011.

  1. FAS

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    DS has now received letter from our congressman and both senators stating that he has not received a nomination. Is there still a chance he can receive a nomination or is this a done deal? He has received a letter from USMA stating he is fully qualified but still needs a nomination. Thanks

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  2. Luigi59

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    Unless he is a highly recruited athlete or under-represented minority, the lack of a valid nomination means it's pretty much over for this year.
     
  3. MemberLG

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    Technically, any memeber of congress can nominate anyone, but why would a MOC from AL nominate someone from NV.

    The only thing you could do at this point is to contact your MOC and ask them. Some cases, they don't fully nominate 10 per vacancy. So if a MOC nominated 9, he or she could add one more. Or if a MOC has a vacacny he or she didn't use this year, you could be nominated using that vacancy.

    My question is why DS (?) didn't get a nomination if USMA fully qualified him?

    I am on my MOC's service academy nomination board. One year, we had a kid that we didn't nominate although he looked really good on paper - great SAT, GPA, sports, and etc. However, he just wanted go to a service academy to fly, nothing else. It also didn't help when asked, his first choice was Stanford, not a service academy.
     
  4. mumsyto3

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    If he applied for the Vice Presidential Nomination, I would assume that there is always a chance there. His best bet is to contact admissions at USMA.

    Best of luck to your son.
     
  5. Mongo

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    Because its against the law. Has been since the '70s. Congresspeople can only nominate residents of their own district.
     
  6. FAS

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    Great question as to why and I wish we could answer it. His first choice was USMA with no stipulations as to career choice. The only thing we can firgure is that the other canidaites he was competeing with for the nomination were just stronger as well as full quallified.
     
  7. Peter

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    Don't forget that your son can still qualify for a Vice Presidential nomination.
     
  8. jagabiti

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    When does the VP nominations come out?
     
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    March, according to the VP application
     
  10. Luigi59

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    Everyone qualifies for a VP nomination. The trick to to actually get it, usually only 1 (out of 10,000 maybe?) available each year.
     
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    He has a limited amount of time to file for a VP nom from USMA so he needs to get rocking... it is just a form letter which probably is available in the academy website or catalogue. I have seen the VP nom activated in at least two instances in which I was working with the candidate, and it is seamless. The timing is flexible - seems to depend upon the circumstances, one was used in Feb, the other was used in Apr. As Nike says: Just do it! If you file for the VP nom you may get to use it, if you don't you surely won't.
     
  12. MemberLG

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    Okay. It was discussed in detail at another forum I belong to. No one could find the exact section of the U.S. Code that prohibits the practice.
     
  13. MemberLG

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    Very interesting! I just have a hard time believing that a Congressional district has 11 full qualfied candidates for USMA.

    I still think you should contact your MOC's office to get a clarification. I would start the discussion as to you just wanted to make sure there was no clerical mistake. People do make mistakes.
     
  14. Pima

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    I would be surprised if a congressional slate had that few of qualified candidates.

    Remember, statistically only 1/2 of the candidates get noms. In actual numbers about 3k+ candidates never get a nom.

    In states like NY, CO, CA, TX, VA and FL it is common for the MOCs to "talk" because they spread the wealth of the noms. In other words it is so competitive that you are just happy to get 1 nom.

    Nobody knows why this candidate did not get a nom, but they didn't so now it is important to get the VP work done ASAP.

    Best of luck and remember it is never over until you are passed the age limit.:wink:
     
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    US Code Title 10, and for the Woops, Section 4342:
     
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    TITLE 32--National Defense

    Subtitle A--DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE

    CHAPTER V--DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY

    SUBCHAPTER F--PERSONNEL

    PART 575--ADMISSION TO THE UNITED STATES MILITARY ACADEMY

    §575.3 - Appointments; sources of nominations.

    (a) (2) - The priority that a fully qualified candidate may receive when considered for appointment is actually governed by the method of nomination used. For example, a principal nominee who is found minimally qualified must be offered an appointment. Conversely, the same individual nominated on a totally competitive basis, may be ranked as one of the least qualified nominees for that vacancy and, consequently, may not be offered an appointment. Many nominating authorities hold preliminary competitive nomination examinations to select their nominees. Those selected are required to be actual residents of the geographic location represented by the nominating authority.

    :cool:
     
  17. Peter

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    Then for those candidates who the SA's select off the NWL, what slots do they get charged to?
     
  18. Jabbawocky007

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    2 things:

    1.) So about 3,000 candidates get noms? Therefore about 1/3 of nominated candidates are offered appointments right? Also would someone who is declared a candidate BEFORE their nom have a higher chance of admission than someone who reached candidate status AFTER they recieved their nom?


    2.) I can definately vouch for the competitive state thing. My senators had asked who my representative was so that they could talk and in turn, hand out the most nominations possible. I had first thought ALL states were like this so when I read about people getting multiple noms I was like :eek:
     
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    VA-10 and VA-11 would be 2 Congressional Districts that would more than likely have more than 10 fully qualified candidates.

    MOCs usually don't know who is fully qualified when they make out their slates.
     
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    The Secretary of that particular service.
     

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