Pima
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JAM,
If you are than everyone should go Army, since other branches without a doubt require a time commitment for accepting rank.
I do not disagree about the 5 and dive comment, but let's also bring this back to the OP...AF not Army. The Army is not the AF. The AF is not the Army.
In the AF they do not promote early because of the JOB. Instead they place a lower ranking officer in the position. In your scenario they would put a 1st in a Captains Billet and because of that they are promoted. Bullet had O5 Billets when he was an O4 they did not say "this is an O5 so here you go you are an O5 now". The glory you got out of it was for your OPR and PRF, nothing else.
If we want to discuss the Army, I would think highlighting promotion rates because people are doing 5 and dive is not the way you would want to go to recruit future officers. It is saying to them that this particular branch has low morale to the point that they are promoting early to fill the abundant gaps.
Yes, this is war time. Let's also remember that the AF never left the sandbox since 1990. The majority of AD members did spend 12 months in the sandbox over a course of a 3 yr assignment, only to be hit with a mandatory 1 yr remote after that. Yet, they never sped up the O3 promotion board to fill billets. That would mean 20 yrs the member spent in the AF, 8 yrs away from home, AT LEAST. The AF has now also sped up their deployments to be 6 months instead of 4, so many spend 18 out of 36, yet the AF is still kicking some to the curb.
The AF has spent 20 yrs in the desert. The Army hasn't. The Army gets rides from the AF to get them to their destination, they don't get there on their own. For every Army det that needs air support, there are AF personnel who calls it in for them, and there are AF planes that drop the bombs. It is not just the Army out there, the AF is there with them too. The avg AWAC unit is deployed 200+ days a yr. The avg KC or C130 is also deployed 200 days a yr. Again we are kicking people out! Even in the Army with 1 yr in and 1 yr out, these guys beat them by the numbers!
I respect and admire the Army. It takes a very special person to enlist/commission into that branch, but you are defeating your own argument of why anyone should join the Army if you say the majority are 5 and diving when the AF has to physically kick out people.
Think about it...do you want to join an organization where people are leaving or do you want to join the organization where people want to stay?
Are you stating that the Army does not require anymore in extra time commitment when you are promoted?NO they don't
If you are than everyone should go Army, since other branches without a doubt require a time commitment for accepting rank.
I do not disagree about the 5 and dive comment, but let's also bring this back to the OP...AF not Army. The Army is not the AF. The AF is not the Army.
In the AF they do not promote early because of the JOB. Instead they place a lower ranking officer in the position. In your scenario they would put a 1st in a Captains Billet and because of that they are promoted. Bullet had O5 Billets when he was an O4 they did not say "this is an O5 so here you go you are an O5 now". The glory you got out of it was for your OPR and PRF, nothing else.
If we want to discuss the Army, I would think highlighting promotion rates because people are doing 5 and dive is not the way you would want to go to recruit future officers. It is saying to them that this particular branch has low morale to the point that they are promoting early to fill the abundant gaps.
Yes, this is war time. Let's also remember that the AF never left the sandbox since 1990. The majority of AD members did spend 12 months in the sandbox over a course of a 3 yr assignment, only to be hit with a mandatory 1 yr remote after that. Yet, they never sped up the O3 promotion board to fill billets. That would mean 20 yrs the member spent in the AF, 8 yrs away from home, AT LEAST. The AF has now also sped up their deployments to be 6 months instead of 4, so many spend 18 out of 36, yet the AF is still kicking some to the curb.
The AF has spent 20 yrs in the desert. The Army hasn't. The Army gets rides from the AF to get them to their destination, they don't get there on their own. For every Army det that needs air support, there are AF personnel who calls it in for them, and there are AF planes that drop the bombs. It is not just the Army out there, the AF is there with them too. The avg AWAC unit is deployed 200+ days a yr. The avg KC or C130 is also deployed 200 days a yr. Again we are kicking people out! Even in the Army with 1 yr in and 1 yr out, these guys beat them by the numbers!
I respect and admire the Army. It takes a very special person to enlist/commission into that branch, but you are defeating your own argument of why anyone should join the Army if you say the majority are 5 and diving when the AF has to physically kick out people.
Think about it...do you want to join an organization where people are leaving or do you want to join the organization where people want to stay?
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