Freda'smom wrote: And my information did not come from any separated cadet or mid, but from the cadre who admitted their actions.
Well, the question begs then: Are the actions these cadre did illegal, against the rules, or in some other manner prohibited?
AlexT. You just said, that there are cadre (According to Freda'smom) who said that they will do anything in their power to make an unwanted cadet quit. Well, unfortunately, if we want to play "Arm-Chair" lawyer, like so many here do, we have to then ask: "Does ANYTHING in their POWER", mean they STAYED within the confines of what was permissible? If yes, then what the hell are we arguing about. The cadre performed within the boundaries, the trainee couldn't or didn't want to take it any more, and they quit.
Or, is Freda'smom implying, that the cadre's admission, was an admission that they performed "OUTSIDE" of the rules. That their conduct was NOT permissible. Hence, the reason I said previously that I find it hard to believe, that a cadre would openly admit, especially to a parent, that they intentionally and willingly broke rules and policies in such actions. Such an admission of guilt would carry heavy disciplinary actions if brought up to the chain.
So, we're back to the basic questions that have been either asked, or eluded to:
1. Were actions by cadre, WITHIN the confines of what is permissible; or, did they break rules and policies and their conduct is not condoned by the academy.
2. If the actions WERE within "Their Power" which were within guidelines, then this debate is moot. They didn't do anything wrong. On the other hand, if their conduct was not permissible or within policy, why didn't the trainee bring it to anyone's attention. And as others have asked, if a parent "Knows for a Fact", that a cadre acted and conducted training outside of permissible standards, why the hell hasn't that parent said anything to the academy?
Nothing I say is meant to build straw men arguments. But I have to base my opinions and decisions on the "PREGNANCY THEORY". "You Are..... or You're Not....." There is no kind of, sort of pregnant. Well, the same goes here. There are standards by which the cadre train new cadets. There are guidelines and parameters. They are taught what lines not to cross. They are taught that different trainees respond differently. But again, the goal in BCT, is to break ALL the trainees down, and build them back as ONE TEAM, ONE GOAL, and ONE DIRECTION. So now, we have to disregard totally whether the cadre "Wanted" to get a trainee to quit or not. That is not important. What is important, is if the training, methods, discipline, etc. done by the cadre, was done WITHIN STANDARDS, GUIDELINES, PARAMETERS, and POLICY........ or THEY WEREN'T.
YES or NO. No kind of, sort of. Just like the appointment process isn't 100% fair. Some cadets with higher scores don't receive an appointment over others with lower scores. But even the lower scored appointees, met the standards required to receive an appointment. Well, BCT, just like life, has variables too. Some trainees probably are treated better than others. Some keep under the radar and the Cadre don't even remember their name after 5 weeks. That's life everywhere. The academy, your job, even as a customer at a store. But that doesn't matter. What matters is; is the trainee who isn't being treated "As nicely", are they being treated within standards? EXAMPLE: If a shop owner sells an item for $5.00 normally to EVERYONE, are those customers being ripped off if he sells me the item for $4.00 because I'm a good friend? NO. But if he sells the item to everyone normally for $5.00 , but a customer he doesn't like, he sells for $6.00, then that is discrimination. That IS Wrong.
So again, this who track of this thread, revolves around the 2 questions I asked above:
1. Were actions by cadre, WITHIN the confines of what is permissible; or, did they break rules and policies and their conduct is not condoned by the academy.
2. If the actions WERE within "Their Power" which were within guidelines, then this debate is moot. They didn't do anything wrong. On the other hand, if their conduct was not permissible or within policy, why didn't the trainee bring it to anyone's attention. And as others have asked, if a parent "Knows for a Fact", that a cadre acted and conducted training outside of permissible standards, why the hell hasn't that parent said anything to the academy.
That's what matters to me. I don't care in the least, if a trainee has their feelings hurt. When you're trying to turn 1200 individuals into 1 team, you know for a fact that some individuals will be able to handle it better than others. They either handle it and move on to being part of the Cadet Wing, or they quit. BCT is not the place to try and cultivate individual qualities and potential. It's a place for the individual to test themselves to see what they can take and what they are willing to take to be part of the academy and military.