Reapplying to USNA (after a turndown)

RedLeaderRed1 said:
I've heard of stuff online saying that there's this official society or organization that the USNA has for helping rejected candidates improve . . . USNA Society/Association that helps rejected candidates get in?
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I've been involved with USNA admissions for a long time and that's a completely new one to me. I've heard lots and lots of erroneous "kid rumors" over the years but this is a new one.

No, there is certainly not any official society or organization that USNA uses to help rejected candidates improve. If USNA was using it or was involved in any way, I'd have heard of it by now.
 
RedLeaderRed1 said:
I've heard of stuff online saying that there's this official society or organization that the USNA has for helping rejected candidates improve
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I suspect what you have seen is references to the Alumni Association Foundation, which has a prep program. Candidates are referred by the Admissions Board. The program is similar to NAPS in that successful completion is essentially a golden ticket to Admission the following year.
 
Or, what you've read about might refer to consultant services that claim they can help rejected candidates. None is associated with USNA and none has any special insight or access -- nothing you can't do yourself or information you can't find on your own. And they charge for their services.
 
usna1985 said:
Or, what you've read about might refer to consultant services that claim they can help rejected candidates. None is associated with USNA and none has any special insight or access -- nothing you can't do yourself or information you can't find on your own. And they charge for their services.
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Hmmmmm, maybe you, your classmate and I could set up an LLC for this very purpose. . .
 
justdoit19 said:
A nom is a nom is a nom. They are not ‘weighted’. You should apply for all noms for which you are eligible, including NROTC.
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IronmanDaremo said:
With that being said, the Academy can only "charge" 20 appointments to ROTC nominations per year, so it is a pretty tough playing field to work with.
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As stated, NROTC can only have 20 yearly appointments charged to that nominating source. Furthermore, the pool from which admissions pulls additional appointees from (in this case, if you received an NROTC nomination but weren’t one of the 20 appointed) is 1/4th the total (by law) of those who had a MOC nomination. So while any nomination checks the box, they are somewhat weighted. Bottom line, apply to ALL sources you are eligible for.
 
usnabgo08 said:
As stated, NROTC can only have 20 yearly appointments charged to that nominating source. Furthermore, the pool from which admissions pulls additional appointees from (in this case, if you received an NROTC nomination but weren’t one of the 20 appointed) is 1/4th the total (by law) of those who had a MOC nomination. So while any nomination checks the box, they are somewhat weighted. Bottom line, apply to ALL sources you are eligible for.
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I would say this deals more with the odds of having that nom used for your appointment, than with the value (weight) of the nom source. My point was that an NROTC nom is not valued/ranked/“weighted” differently than a congressional nom, for example. Or that a senator nom is views more ‘importantly’ than a NROTC nom, for example.

RedLeaderRed1 said:
Also are NROTC officer nominations not on the same level as congressional nominations and must I get a congressional nomination regardless?
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That’s how I read the posters question

I agree the chances of being appointed via a NROTC nom is lower (as is a VP…even lower), but I don’t think that USNA values, or views them as any less of a nom.

No, you don’t HAVE to get another NOM, but you are severely reducing the odds of receiving an appointment. IOW, if you don’t have MOC nom, it’s still not over until a USNA notifies you that it is.

Everyone ALWAYS apply for every nom you are qualified for. Always always always. That instruction is even on USNA’s primary information for applying.

I had a candidate one year whose mom (who was in the Air Force) told her she only needed to apply to her Senator for a nomination. I about choked. Her mom thought the Senator was of higher value/importance in USNA’s eyes, so she should go for the most important one. That is absolutely NOT correct. Nor is that the instructions on USNA’s website.
 
RedLeaderRed1 said:
I've heard of stuff online saying that there's this official society or organization that the USNA has for helping rejected candidates improve (I couldn't get a congressional nomination this year specifically but I don't know what specifically made me come short) on their applications (and I'm not talking about the prep schools); is this true or am I just seeing fake stuff? USNA Society/Association that helps rejected candidates get in?
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I would suggest NOT looking at stuff online, including here. Go to USNA’s primary website for applicants. There is also a section for Nominations. Also, go to EACH of your nominating sources primary websites. Understands their rules and processes. Including VP’s primary site.

Do you have absolutely no idea why you didn’t receive their nom? That’s not usually the case. Usually, a candidate can identify their weaknesses. Perhaps your BGO could help you with this. If you are in a highly competitive area, it could be that you aren’t the most competitive applicant.

I worked with a candidate one year that had an LOA, but no nom bc they didn’t meet the test score minimums for her moc’s. She knew that bc she asked her MOC. You could give that a try? If you apply next year, you will presumably have another year of successful college under your belt. You won’t be the same candidate.

We don’t know your resume, but you could also perhaps be a candidate for NAPS (no nom needed).

But use primary sources, and check that you have done everything suggested should you plan to reapply. A good chunk of each class is comprised of reapplicants. Good luck!!
 
My view is a little more biased as I agree with a certain PNS that resides on here that an active duty O-6's recommendation/nomination holds a bit more weight, even if it is only subconsciously. in the Admission teams eyes.

But, I'm probably wrong. ;)
 
A nom provides a source to whom / which the candidate can be charged. More noms means more sources. It’s really just that simple.

Some candidates may not, because of their MOCs, be able to obtain more than one MOC nom whereas others might be able to obtain 3. Every candidate should apply to every nom source to which s/he is eligible to maximize their chances for an appointment.
 
New poster and just finished reading this entire thread so I’m hopeful this isn’t a question I should have found the answer to already. The information being posted here by some of you dedicated veterans and advisors is wonderful; thank you. DD is awaiting word on her class of ‘28 application status. Green checks next to PFA and MoC nom, still waiting on DoDMerb. Top 10% of class at top 5 New England boarding school. 3 sport varsity athlete (starter but not captain), 1440 SAT 4.0 unweighted GPA. 4 years of honors Chinese in addition to a heavy STEM course load senior year. I’m curious to hear the experts opinions on the following plan B’s in terms of there efficacy in a re-apply package : She can play varsity hockey at a NESCAC school or she can play “club” hockey at a BostonU or BostonC and also join NROTC. Which would be viewed as stronger by USNA?

One of our biggest fears is that since her sport is a non-recruited sport and she is in a MoC slate with a classmate whom we know is a recruited athlete, he may win the slate solely based on his recruitment status. I’m comforted to read some of the comments in the last few pages of this thread regarding recruited athletes not being a sure thing, but still can’t help but let that be my biggest fear.

Thanks so much, again, for all the great advice on this forum.
 
Schoolbuilder said:
New poster and just finished reading this entire thread so I’m hopeful this isn’t a question I should have found the answer to already. The information being posted here by some of you dedicated veterans and advisors is wonderful; thank you. DD is awaiting word on her class of ‘28 application status. Green checks next to PFA and MoC nom, still waiting on DoDMerb. Top 10% of class at top 5 New England boarding school. 3 sport varsity athlete (starter but not captain), 1440 SAT 4.0 unweighted GPA. 4 years of honors Chinese in addition to a heavy STEM course load senior year. I’m curious to hear the experts opinions on the following plan B’s in terms of there efficacy in a re-apply package : She can play varsity hockey at a NESCAC school or she can play “club” hockey at a BostonU or BostonC and also join NROTC. Which would be viewed as stronger by USNA?

One of our biggest fears is that since her sport is a non-recruited sport and she is in a MoC slate with a classmate whom we know is a recruited athlete, he may win the slate solely based on his recruitment status. I’m comforted to read some of the comments in the last few pages of this thread regarding recruited athletes not being a sure thing, but still can’t help but let that be my biggest fear.

Thanks so much, again, for all the great advice on this forum.
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I believe that if the recruited athlete is admitted and the nomination is charged to the MoC slate, your daughter can also be admitted, but her nomination will be charged to another source. Multiple people can definitely be admitted from the same slate, it's just that the nomination source will be charged differently. I did not win my slate (someone else got principal nomination), but I was appointed to both USAFA and USMA and accepted my USMA appointment.
 
Schoolbuilder said:
New poster and just finished reading this entire thread so I’m hopeful this isn’t a question I should have found the answer to already. The information being posted here by some of you dedicated veterans and advisors is wonderful; thank you. DD is awaiting word on her class of ‘28 application status. Green checks next to PFA and MoC nom, still waiting on DoDMerb. Top 10% of class at top 5 New England boarding school. 3 sport varsity athlete (starter but not captain), 1440 SAT 4.0 unweighted GPA. 4 years of honors Chinese in addition to a heavy STEM course load senior year. I’m curious to hear the experts opinions on the following plan B’s in terms of there efficacy in a re-apply package : She can play varsity hockey at a NESCAC school or she can play “club” hockey at a BostonU or BostonC and also join NROTC. Which would be viewed as stronger by USNA?

One of our biggest fears is that since her sport is a non-recruited sport and she is in a MoC slate with a classmate whom we know is a recruited athlete, he may win the slate solely based on his recruitment status. I’m comforted to read some of the comments in the last few pages of this thread regarding recruited athletes not being a sure thing, but still can’t help but let that be my biggest fear.

Thanks so much, again, for all the great advice on this forum.
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Very nice post with thoughtful questions and concerns. Hope DD receives and appointment.
 
llama2.2 said:
I believe that if the recruited athlete is admitted and the nomination is charged to the MoC slate, your daughter can also be admitted, but her nomination will be charged to another source. Multiple people can definitely be admitted from the same slate, it's just that the nomination source will be charged differently. I did not win my slate (someone else got principal nomination), but I was appointed to both USAFA and USMA and accepted my USMA appointment.
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When did you receive your appointments?
 
Schoolbuilder said:
New poster and just finished reading this entire thread so I’m hopeful this isn’t a question I should have found the answer to already. The information being posted here by some of you dedicated veterans and advisors is wonderful; thank you. DD is awaiting word on her class of ‘28 application status. Green checks next to PFA and MoC nom, still waiting on DoDMerb. Top 10% of class at top 5 New England boarding school. 3 sport varsity athlete (starter but not captain), 1440 SAT 4.0 unweighted GPA. 4 years of honors Chinese in addition to a heavy STEM course load senior year. I’m curious to hear the experts opinions on the following plan B’s in terms of there efficacy in a re-apply package : She can play varsity hockey at a NESCAC school or she can play “club” hockey at a BostonU or BostonC and also join NROTC. Which would be viewed as stronger by USNA?

One of our biggest fears is that since her sport is a non-recruited sport and she is in a MoC slate with a classmate whom we know is a recruited athlete, he may win the slate solely based on his recruitment status. I’m comforted to read some of the comments in the last few pages of this thread regarding recruited athletes not being a sure thing, but still can’t help but let that be my biggest fear.

Thanks so much, again, for all the great advice on this forum.
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Fellow hockey parent here! I'd love to send you a PM but new members of the forum can't do private messaging until after they have been on the forum for a week and have five posts. When you get up to five posts, please send me a message! thanks!
 
Schoolbuilder said:
I’m curious to hear the experts opinions on the following plan B’s in terms of there efficacy in a re-apply package : She can play varsity hockey at a NESCAC school or she can play “club” hockey at a BostonU or BostonC and also join NROTC. Which would be viewed as stronger by USNA?
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I don't think that there is a definitive answer possible but all things being equal, the additional nomination and military intro training that is available through NROTC would probably tip the scales to the Boston schools.
 
Just remember that joining NROTC with the sole purpose of leveraging that to get a spot in the Academy may not come across as favorably with the unit that one participates with.

Join the unit because the intent is to complete the journey and commission. Put everything into it and be the consumate shipmate within the unit.
 
hopefulhockeymom said:
Fellow hockey parent here! I'd love to send you a PM but new members of the forum can't do private messaging until after they have been on the forum for a week and have five posts. When you get up to five posts, please send me a message! thanks!
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Thanks for your message, hopefulhockeymom. Will do! Understanding my question is a tough one without a clear, correct answer, I appreciate hearing opinions on the topic. Thanks OldRetSWO and IronmanDaremo. Since ice hockey isn’t a Varisty sport at USNA, I would imagine that playing varsity as a recruited athlete at a college would demonstrate a level of athleticism the academy would see as favorable over choosing to play club which doesn’t yet carry the same credibility. Obviously NRTOC involvement, especially, in her case, joining without a scholarship (since we missed the boat on applying) would demonstrate her true interest in becoming a naval officer regardless of financial support. Similar weight on each end of the scale?
 
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