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But....wait....
How many minorities are non-athletes?
How many minorities are non-athletes?
I neither said nor implied this. Please read my statement again...................................and they are (according to you) recruiting lower performing poor white kids.........................
Really, nothing to disagree about. I agree with this statement completely. It is a mission statement, how they do it. My input was who they do it to. Perhaps this is where we disagree.This is where disagree. According to the USNA:
"The mission of the Naval Academy Preparatory School is to prepare selected candidates morally, mentally, and physically, with emphasis on strengthening the academic foundation of individual candidates for officer accession through the U.S. Naval Academy."
Really nothing to counsel about. For each and every one of the 600 or so congressional nominations, either the most qualified or the one selected by the MOC himself gets in. That 30 or 40 more districts send appointments means the national pool is slightly lower but it was a bonus to those candidates in the past who could utilize national pool slots made open by underutilized districts, not a right. Perhaps a few more decreases in the national pool due to newly increased SecNav appointments out of NAPS, but none affecting the MOCs primary/principal nomination process.Any BGO's out there counseling these 10,000 white applicants about the "real" Navy, or is this one of the reasons it required a Freedom of Information Act request to pry these numbers from the USNA?
One of the first lessons learned at USNA and reinforced daily until one leaves the Navy is teamwork and helping others along. About day two of plebe summer one of the first laws of the Navy that they learn is that the chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Everyone brings something to the table evenif it is only being the s**t screen, deflecting everything from the upper class so everyone else can do their job. Helping someone in academics will be paid back over the years tenfold.These Mids would have to be quite exceptional.
One of the first lessons learned at USNA and reinforced daily until one leaves the Navy is teamwork and helping others along. About day two of plebe summer one of the first laws of the Navy that they learn is that the chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Everyone brings something to the table evenif it is only being the s**t screen, deflecting everything from the upper class so everyone else can do their job. Helping someone in academics will be paid back over the years tenfold.
First off, to work completely within the framework of existing law, completely above board, the forty or so Congressional districts which had historically not provided candidates to the Academy were targeted. Qualified candidates were located, recruited, and admitted as their district's most competitive candidate. This has been the source of the majority of the increase. Nothing two tracked at all about it.
Non recruited athletes. Almost all candidates of all races to the SAs are HS varsity athletes of some sort.How many minorities are non-athletes?
Non recruited athletes. Almost all candidates of all races to the SAs are HS varsity athletes of some sort.
It took a Freedom of Information Act request by a newspaper to get the stats that were in the article. I'm not sure if what you are asking is published anywhere or whether a call to the USNA will get an answer. If you find out please share with the rest of us.Okay - how many minorities are non-recruited athletes?
The data, obtained under FOIA request by The Annapolis Capital, is shown below for those who are interested in the truth. The proof of a two-tiered system is right here:
SAT score averages by ethnicity, who attends NAPS, and a timeline graph on minorities admitted
Admission statistics by ethnicity for the classes of 2012-14
What assumption?I am just curious since most of the discussions seem to lump recruited athletes and minorities together which makes an assumption.
The 300-member NAPS Class of 2011 (Naval Academy Class of 2015) contained 190 minority students and 110 recruited athletes, with some individuals being counted in both categories, according to Naval Academy documents.
For the Naval Academy Classes of 2009-2013, 312 African Americans entered the Naval Academy, 180 (58 percent) of whom came through NAPS, according to documents obtained under FOIA.
How did the author of the article respond to these questions when you wrote him?I am curious as to why only two minority groups (Hispanics and African Americans) are featured in these stats....where are the Pacific Islanders, the Asians....?? Are the other minority groups lumped in with Caucasians?
And well you should be. IMHO - we need more candidates like your son. And if the USNA would appoint (and could find) more like him we probably wouldn't have this thread. Well maybe we'd still have to discuss the lowering of standards for recruited athletes.So proud of these fine young men.
Perhaps you ought to latch onto the coattails of Congressman Elijah Cummings, MD 7th District. He seems quite adept in finding qualified candidates for USNA in inner city Baltimore. Since he is also on the USNA Board of Visitors, his hand is probably in the drive to recruit the historically underrepresented dsistricts. Yes, it has been well documented. Or at least it was until Academy officials discovered that the rest of the world might not be as excited as they were about ensuring that all congressional districts were afforded equal opportunity in representation to USNA.Call me a skeptic, but unless USNA releases admissions data (the forty congressional districts which had historically not provided candidates to the Academy and number of candidates from those district) to support such claim I don't believe it. It briefs well, that doesn't mean it is true.
A thing for you to consider, all of MD's Congressional districts are well represented in SAs, however several MD Congressional districts encompasses Baltimore City and PG. By my tracking (I could be wrong), not much success to locate qualified candidates, recruit, and admitt them from Baltimore City and PG by USMA. I know I should do more outreach in the inner city school, but I get more skeptical everytime I visited an inner city school.
Perhaps you ought to latch onto the coattails of Congressman Elijah Cummings, MD 7th District. He seems quite adept in finding qualified candidates for USNA in inner city Baltimore. Since he is also on the USNA Board of Visitors, his hand is probably in the drive to recruit the historically underrepresented dsistricts. Yes, it has been well documented. Or at least it was until Academy officials discovered that the rest of the world might not be as excited as they were about ensuring that all congressional districts were afforded equal opportunity in representation to USNA.