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What's the difference between a URL scholarship and ISR? I thought all non-nursing non Marine option NROTC scholarships were for URL designators eventually?
 
USNA2NPS said:
What's the difference between a URL scholarship and ISR? I thought all non-nursing non Marine option NROTC scholarships were for URL designators eventually?
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I believe Capt. Meyers is referring to any National 4 year Navy option, non-nursing scholarship awarded through the usual procedure as a URL scholarship. The ISR has the same benefits as the National 4 year scholarship, but is awarded to certain applicants by the commanding officer of the regional talent acquisition group. You do not apply for the ISR, your application is flagged for consideration during the application process. There is further discussion of ISRs on other threads that can further clarify the process for an ISR.
 
USNA2NPS said:
What's the difference between a URL scholarship and ISR? I thought all non-nursing non Marine option NROTC scholarships were for URL designators eventually?
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Your main premise is correct. These are URL focused. The key difference is that a regional NTAG can offer an ISR and not have to compete in the big pool of other applicants. This allows regional areas to focus on certain candidates they are looking for. It does not have to focus on diverse candidates but many of the NTAGs use their scholarships in that manner.

When people hear the words Navy recruiter they always think of enlistment. But there are officer recruiters who can offer these direct ISR scholarships.
 
ProudDad17 said:
I believe Capt. Meyers is referring to any National 4 year Navy option, non-nursing scholarship awarded through the usual procedure as a URL scholarship. The ISR has the same benefits as the National 4 year scholarship, but is awarded to certain applicants by the commanding officer of the regional talent acquisition group. You do not apply for the ISR, your application is flagged for consideration during the application process. There is further discussion of ISRs on other threads that can further clarify the process for an ISR.
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ProudDad said it better. And now I am jealous. 😉
 
I flew EP-3E's so I have a totally different definition of ISR, and I knew that wasn't it. Thanks for the clarification.
 
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USNA2NPS said:
I flew EP-3E's so I have a totally different view of ISR, and I knew that wasn't it.
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Ahhhh, you were one of those who could interpret a bunch of jiggly wiggly lines and tell us there was something out there. And you knew you could totally make stuff up because SWO's had no clue what you were saying.
 
GWU PNS said:
It is an additional look. When they fill out that portion on the application, there will be a statement along the lines of....if you are not selected for the national scholarship, would you be interested in an MSI scholarship?
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Question, in this case if they checked the box as Yes their application will not be looked until April? even when it says "if not selected for the national scholarship?
 
Good Evening Y'all,
I'm a current senior whose EOD NROTC application was mailed out on December 9th. Like most others, I believe I have strong stats; 36 ACT, swim captain, Naval Sea Cadet Corps PO1, USMA LOA, etc.

I'm concerned since I've been deferred from my first choice college (an Ivy), and I'm currently in the process of drafting my letter of continued interest, and I haven't received an update from NROTC command. I assume this is a common/familiar state-of-affairs.

Should I assume my application has been viewed and relegated to the "alternates" list? + Does a rating like EOD subject your application to greater scrutiny? + When can we predict the next boards will be released?
 
serapis said:
Good Evening Y'all,
I'm a current senior whose EOD NROTC application was mailed out on December 9th. Like most others, I believe I have strong stats; 36 ACT, swim captain, Naval Sea Cadet Corps PO1, USMA LOA, etc.

I'm concerned since I've been deferred from my first choice college (an Ivy), and I'm currently in the process of drafting my letter of continued interest, and I haven't received an update from NROTC command. I assume this is a common/familiar state-of-affairs.

Should I assume my application has been viewed and relegated to the "alternates" list? + Does a rating like EOD subject your application to greater scrutiny? + When can we predict the next boards will be released?
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The next board results are due out in the next few days. I am not tracking what you mean when you refer to an EOD application. For NROTC, other than Navy Option, Marine Option, or Nurse Option, I do not know of any specialized service selection options just for EOD. So to the point of increased scrutiny, your application is viewed like everyone else's...no more or less scrutiny.

And, just to keep the terms straight, the group in charge is Naval Service Training Command or NSTC.

If you application was sent up in December, it is highly likely it has been in front of a board. So it could be you are on an alternate list, or it could be that you will get notified of non selection. Your record sounds competitive but I don't know for sure.
 
STEM 26 said:
Question, in this case if they checked the box as Yes their application will not be looked until April? even when it says "if not selected for the national scholarship?
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You have me thinking here. I have a sent a question off to NSTC because I am not 100% sure. We have applications where someone has listed an HBC as their 1st choice. What I don't know is if those who get selected count for the regular scholarship quota or the MSI. So I have to wait for the answer and get back to you.
 
ProudDad17 said:
I believe Capt. Meyers is referring to any National 4 year Navy option, non-nursing scholarship awarded through the usual procedure as a URL scholarship. The ISR has the same benefits as the National 4 year scholarship, but is awarded to certain applicants by the commanding officer of the regional talent acquisition group. You do not apply for the ISR, your application is flagged for consideration during the application process. There is further discussion of ISRs on other threads that can further clarify the process for an ISR.
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Is that the NTAG person who is the commanding officer of the regional group? OUr NTAG has had 3 different leaders in 3 months so they do not seem on top of it.
 
GWU PNS said:
You have me thinking here. I have a sent a question off to NSTC because I am not 100% sure. We have applications where someone has listed an HBC as their 1st choice. What I don't know is if those who get selected count for the regular scholarship quota or the MSI. So I have to wait for the answer and get back to you.
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thank you
 
GWU PNS said:
The next board results are due out in the next few days. I am not tracking what you mean when you refer to an EOD application. For NROTC, other than Navy Option, Marine Option, or Nurse Option, I do not know of any specialized service selection options just for EOD. So to the point of increased scrutiny, your application is viewed like everyone else's...no more or less scrutiny.

And, just to keep the terms straight, the group in charge is Naval Service Training Command or NSTC.

If you application was sent up in December, it is highly likely it has been in front of a board. So it could be you are on an alternate list, or it could be that you will get notified of non selection. Your record sounds competitive but I don't know for sure.
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Thank you CAPT Meyers, Sir. My apologies for the miscategorizations. I will stay vigilant, hoping for the best.
 
GWU PNS said:
With the last board results out, I have lost my school of Midshipmen sharks that meander across the office peering in to see if I have any nuggets of wisdom handy. So how do I spend this spare time? Might as well try to feed the other school of sharks that circle :D

We've done some number crunching and there has been some "unofficial word". This means there is no one bold enough to say it actually true, but it's pretty darn accurate.

Separately, there is a chance that the February board results will be sent out this Friday, but more likely Tuesday (Monday is Pres. Day)

Here are the numbers so far:

Total Scholarship Numbers (What will be offered once completed):
992 URL
110 ISR
79 MSI
19 Nurse Option (this is NOT NCP but it is NROTC Nurse)
Total: 1200

To Date:
1010 Applications received/processed -- ~ 700 still being processed
459 scholarships offered
382 on the alternate list
169 non-selects (next round of board results will include those not selected for this year)

Nurse Option (Not NCP):
57 applications received/processed (none in the hopper)
9 scholarships offered
15 on the alternate list
33 non-selects to be informed at the next email of board results

ISR: 49 scholarships offered
There is no alternate list here. NTAGs send their ISR choices for review by NSTC. If there are no discrepancies in the package those go straight to approval. If you are doing the math from the first set of numbers, NTAGs are working on 61 ISR nominations

MSI: Any applicant who selected MSI on their application will be looked at during the MSI board in April.
One thing of note is if the MSI block was checked, then an HBC or HHE school needed to be in your list of 5 school choices.

So, what does all of this mean? *** This is complete conjecture on my part. And I have had too much caffeine, so please do not make long-term financial plans based on this portion of the email. ***
It all comes down to that final 700 or so remaining to be processed. Many of these came in during the last days and weeks of the scholarship season. Sometimes that means the quality of the package isn't there because it was rushed. But sometimes these packages are people who realized that USNA or USMA or USCG said no, but they have really good packages regardless. I don't know because we haven't seen them.

If the vast majority of packages come in and aren't strong, then we go to the alternate pool and start pulling. But if the remaining batches are all rock stars, then there may not be a need for an alternate pool.

So, there's something for you to mull over on a Wednesday mid day. If you have a PhD in math and want to discuss some bizarre statistical data point with me, please know I am a Philosophy major and I will just stare at the computer screen and then log off. I scribbled these notes on a 3x5 card while listening to a zoom call.

Separately, I know some of you will be yelling at clouds and want to tell me how awesome your DS or DD are. For what it's worth, I agree, they are awesome. But I polled the other moms and dads and they told me their DS and DD were awesomer than yours ;)
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GWU PNS said:
With the last board results out, I have lost my school of Midshipmen sharks that meander across the office peering in to see if I have any nuggets of wisdom handy. So how do I spend this spare time? Might as well try to feed the other school of sharks that circle :D

We've done some number crunching and there has been some "unofficial word". This means there is no one bold enough to say it actually true, but it's pretty darn accurate.

Separately, there is a chance that the February board results will be sent out this Friday, but more likely Tuesday (Monday is Pres. Day)

Here are the numbers so far:

Total Scholarship Numbers (What will be offered once completed):
992 URL
110 ISR
79 MSI
19 Nurse Option (this is NOT NCP but it is NROTC Nurse)
Total: 1200

To Date:
1010 Applications received/processed -- ~ 700 still being processed
459 scholarships offered
382 on the alternate list
169 non-selects (next round of board results will include those not selected for this year)

Nurse Option (Not NCP):
57 applications received/processed (none in the hopper)
9 scholarships offered
15 on the alternate list
33 non-selects to be informed at the next email of board results

ISR: 49 scholarships offered
There is no alternate list here. NTAGs send their ISR choices for review by NSTC. If there are no discrepancies in the package those go straight to approval. If you are doing the math from the first set of numbers, NTAGs are working on 61 ISR nominations

MSI: Any applicant who selected MSI on their application will be looked at during the MSI board in April.
One thing of note is if the MSI block was checked, then an HBC or HHE school needed to be in your list of 5 school choices.

So, what does all of this mean? *** This is complete conjecture on my part. And I have had too much caffeine, so please do not make long-term financial plans based on this portion of the email. ***
It all comes down to that final 700 or so remaining to be processed. Many of these came in during the last days and weeks of the scholarship season. Sometimes that means the quality of the package isn't there because it was rushed. But sometimes these packages are people who realized that USNA or USMA or USCG said no, but they have really good packages regardless. I don't know because we haven't seen them.

If the vast majority of packages come in and aren't strong, then we go to the alternate pool and start pulling. But if the remaining batches are all rock stars, then there may not be a need for an alternate pool.

So, there's something for you to mull over on a Wednesday mid day. If you have a PhD in math and want to discuss some bizarre statistical data point with me, please know I am a Philosophy major and I will just stare at the computer screen and then log off. I scribbled these notes on a 3x5 card while listening to a zoom call.

Separately, I know some of you will be yelling at clouds and want to tell me how awesome your DS or DD are. For what it's worth, I agree, they are awesome. But I polled the other moms and dads and they told me their DS and DD were awesomer than yours ;)
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As a fellow Philosophy major, this reads like a clear set of numbers to me--many thanks! Now, for the complete speculation that I'm bracing myself for a strong "IDK" or "wouldn't it be nice to predict that?" to. Let's say, hypothetically, that a scholarship-awarded candidate with a near-1600 has a very competitive school like, say, MIT, as their top choice and let's also assume that school (or one like it) had a mid-year report that was due prior to notification of said award. Let's also assume, just for the sake of argument, that said candidate's decision letter indicated placement at said school's unit (recognizing, of course, that such placement is independent of admission to the school). Given the statistics you so deftly compiled on the index card of suitable size for the task, with the addition of the caffeine coefficient, might we draw any inference about the likelihood of said candidate being placed at said school, hypothetically? Or, in layman's terms, would a top school, say MIT, be looking at the results right now and working with admissions to assemble a unit that grabs any of the candidates who selected that schools as 1st choice? ;)
 
BillyDiamond said:
As a fellow Philosophy major, this reads like a clear set of numbers to me--many thanks! Now, for the complete speculation that I'm bracing myself for a strong "IDK" or "wouldn't it be nice to predict that?" to. Let's say, hypothetically, that a scholarship-awarded candidate with a near-1600 has a very competitive school like, say, MIT, as their top choice and let's also assume that school (or one like it) had a mid-year report that was due prior to notification of said award. Let's also assume, just for the sake of argument, that said candidate's decision letter indicated placement at said school's unit (recognizing, of course, that such placement is independent of admission to the school). Given the statistics you so deftly compiled on the index card of suitable size for the task, with the addition of the caffeine coefficient, might we draw any inference about the likelihood of said candidate being placed at said school, hypothetically? Or, in layman's terms, would a top school, say MIT, be looking at the results right now and working with admissions to assemble a unit that grabs any of the candidates who selected that schools as 1st choice? ;)
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For MIT, if an NROTC scholarship is offered, there is a good chance of selection. I don't want to speak to how that PNS arranges that, but he has serious skills.

Remember, in the pattern of the stoic, we embrace obstacles as opportunities to excel. We control what we can, and our character remains unshakeable. So said Epictetus. 🙂 everyone here will think I am drunk.
 
GWU PNS said:
For MIT, if an NROTC scholarship is offered, there is a good chance of selection. I don't want to speak to how that PNS arranges that, but he has serious skills.

Remember, in the pattern of the stoic, we embrace obstacles as opportunities to excel. We control what we can, and our character remains unshakeable. So said Epictetus. 🙂 everyone here will think I am drunk.
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As long as you don’t claim to have chatted with him personally about his bent for Stoicism.
 
Is it fair to say that if you were likely boarded way back in November, you will likely not hear until the very end (unless you are a for sure non-select)? If they are still processing the ~700 new applications, and will evaluate them first before alternates, you won't know until you make it off the alternate list until they have all been boarded through the March and April boards. My DS got AROTC 4yr and a LOA from USNA so I'm thinking the PMS interview may have been the downfall, as he was a Tier II major interviewing at a heavy Tier I-type public university. (For example, he was asked about his experience with robotics. I think he had a toy robot once)
 
He may not hear a positive or negative reply until April. He should accept the AROTC scholarship as it is non-binding. In fact none of these are binding. If an NROTC scholarship or USNA appointment comes along He can accept it with no problem. AROTC, or NROTC without a scholarship are not bad backup plans.
 
kinnem said:
He may not hear a positive or negative reply until April. He should accept the AROTC scholarship as it is non-binding. In fact none of these are binding. If an NROTC scholarship or USNA appointment comes along He can accept it with no problem. AROTC, or NROTC without a scholarship are not bad backup plans.
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Yep. He accepted the AROTC scholarship. Thanks!
 
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