USNA Class of 2027 Waiting and Speculating

Car54 said:
DS didn't survive The Purge round #2 two...TWE'd today. Of course, extremally disappointed but better to have a decision than more waiting. Time to move forward...right after canceling all the plans for his upcoming CVW! :bang:
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It's tough ... no other way to put it. But hopefully there's a fabulous Plan B in the works!
 
IronmanDaremo said:
I'm sorry. Clearly, your understanding of what NAPS is, is way off base. Total BS.

A midshipman candidate (a NAPS attendee) is an enlisted sailor who is virtually guaranteed an appointment to the next USNA class unless they screw the pooch and can't make it through. "2.0 and go."

The Academy admissions team sees such potential in a candidate that they are willing to spend an estimate of $50k - $100k to get a kid ready to succeed at the USNA, with NOTHING out of pocket by the midshipman candidate AND ... they get a paycheck as anywhere from an E-1 through E-4 (depending on the candidate) to boot!

It is truly a "golden ticket" that just waits to get punched by successful completion of the NAPS year.
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Agree 100%.

I would only add it is a slap in the face of community colleges.

One of my best math teachers taught at a 2 year college. The class sizes are smaller, the material is the material. What matters is the student’s effort.

I did the tax return for a young lady that was going for free to Cornell for a PhD in nuclear physics. She told me a story about talking to the other students in her program about where they did their undergrad work. They laughed at her because she went to a little four year school. They all went to Harvard or Yale or MIT. I asked her how she got in - she said the small school was the right atmosphere to do well - she graduated as valedictorian with a perfect record.

Sometimes the waitlist to NAPs or a year of community college to develop academics and organizational skills is all it takes to turn a candidate into an officer.

The empirical data suggests this path works, and the Navy is behind it.

What if they aren’t ready for plan b - a good civilian college?
 
Lkt said:
Thanks to all who wrote me! I’ve condensed it for my son and made a timeline. Given this is what I’ve gleaned and it is not sanctioned (please chime in folks if I’m wrong). Thanks again! Good luck to everyone this year and next!!!

Tips for a USNA turn down and want to reapply:

-First look at this as a learning experience and an opportunity to mature and improve yourself; strengthen all your weaknesses
-Remember, USNA loves reaps; 1/3 of yearly appoints come from college students
-Get your USNA 2028 app started on 4/16 when the portal opens; don’t finish it but throw your hat in now
-Contact your BGO and meet with them to discuss ways to improve and get their take on your TWE and your strategy for reapplying
-Contact USNA admissions and meet with your Regional Director to go through 2027 app and where you can improve
-enroll in a 4yr College preferably with NROTC program, sign up for the plebe classes and get straight As
-do something ultra productive with your summer (take a job, find an internship, run a summer sports camp, tutor)
-ask for a new BGO, gets you a second great recommendation and gives the USNA two folks that are pulling for you
-take your SATs again and again until you get over 700 on math and verbal; study and keep at it
-max out your CFA, running (under 6min mile), push-ups and sit-ups are the most critical
-before you leave HS work with your current math and English teacher to set them up for USNA recs; it’s better to have those new college professors, but not if it’s huge lecture classes and they won’t know you personally
-keep up with your sport; do travel and tournaments and get involved in college as much as possible

Timeline for getting this done and crushing your 2028 USNA reapplication:

Today- (deadlines are 4/15 for some schools) apply to 4year colleges with NROTC programs in your state or local areas (do community college as a last ditch effort)
4/16- Start your reapplication on the USNA portal
By end of April-sign up to take 2 more SATs and ACTs- study before and get over 30 ACT on all parts and over 700 on SAT math and verbal
By end of April- meet with BGO discuss TWE and path forward
By end of April-develop and start CFA improvement plan (run a timed mile weekly and do 2 min sit-ups and 2 min push-ups- record times and improve each week)
May-finish out your HS strong, super grades and crush your AP exams
May-finalize your summer plan for working and internship and volunteering (be busy!)
Late May-begin your MOC (others) nom applications
Before you graduate- line up all your MOC and USNA recommendations (some will be from HS- your principal, guidance counselor and your senior year math and English)
June-graduate and start your summer plan
July-schedule and execute a meeting with your USNA Regional Director to find out what specifically you can improve
August-redo your CFA
Aug-follow up with teachers for recommendations
August-Complete your MOC (others) nom applications; if you have personal contacts with these then reach out directly; get all recommendations in for noms and USNA
Late August-start college, kick butt at school and NROTC and your sport
Oct/Nov/Dec- BGO and MOC (others) interviews
Dec-rewrite and perfect USNA essays and application
Once 1st semester college grades are out- submit your USNA reapplication for 2028!

Some don’t s:
Don’t take a gap year
Don’t enlist
Don’t do prep school
And
Don’t worry about re-doing DODMERB (good for two years!)

Good luck all! I hope this gives all the TWE’s some focused direction and positive steps forward! You all are awesome and you CAN do this! Heck, you did it once!!
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Why not enlist? I missed that post.
 
Why not enlisted? If the goal is to be officer, enlisted is a path, but it comes with very little guarantees. Some think it’s an ‘easier path’, I disagree. There are so many variables that someone who takes this path does not have control over. Finishing boot camp, school, getting to the fleet itself can take 1-2 years depending on your path. A commander’s endorsement is required. A CO putting their name to paper may require some time for them to observe you before they do that. Putting a package together during all this and then throw a deployment together, it’s not 1 year then reapply. Sure it can happen, but it may not. Next thing you know you are now 20-21 and have 1 shot. There are some enlisted paths that tend to send more than others, such as nuke school. They screen high performing Sailors for their academic background and help put packages together. I know a young man who did this, but he knew the risk. Prior to enlisting he retook the SAT several times and spent the summer at community college taking Calc, Chem and English to bolster his resume before boot camp. He was honor grad at boot camp. Went to nuke school and stood out and got his appt. If someone goes this path we always recommend to be prepared to serve the entire enlistment as USNA or other commissioning programs are not guaranteed.
 
I know it continues right up to I-Day but when does admissions typically start offering appointments to waitlisted candidates?
 
NavyHoops said:
Why not enlisted? If the goal is to be officer, enlisted is a path, but it comes with very little guarantees. Some think it’s an ‘easier path’, I disagree. There are so many variables that someone who takes this path does not have control over. Finishing boot camp, school, getting to the fleet itself can take 1-2 years depending on your path. A commander’s endorsement is required. A CO putting their name to paper may require some time for them to observe you before they do that. Putting a package together during all this and then throw a deployment together, it’s not 1 year then reapply. Sure it can happen, but it may not. Next thing you know you are now 20-21 and have 1 shot. There are some enlisted paths that tend to send more than others, such as nuke school. They screen high performing Sailors for their academic background and help put packages together. I know a young man who did this, but he knew the risk. Prior to enlisting he retook the SAT several times and spent the summer at community college taking Calc, Chem and English to bolster his resume before boot camp. He was honor grad at boot camp. Went to nuke school and stood out and got his appt. If someone goes this path we always recommend to be prepared to serve the entire enlistment as USNA or other commissioning programs are not guaranteed.
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Always such excellent insights into this path. I think it can be longer, more winding, more boulder strewn, than other paths, but it is a path.

Young sailors do have a way of getting into trouble together, and before you know it, a pristine record has a big blot on it. The new sailor has to excel on every front - academic in the schoolhouse, in military performance, in personal conduct, in their everyday jobs when they get to the Fleet and are at the bottom of the heap, doing scut work as part of their dues. The nuke school does indeed have an awareness and an expectation some of their students will head to USNA, and is familiar with the enlisted application process. Other enlisted ratings, much will depend on the willingness of the chain of command to help and counsel, and the biggest chunk of that is the CO’s endorsement in the application. The CO must forward it, but there is a big difference in message being sent between “Forwarded, recommending approval” and “Forwarded, with my strongest personal and professional recommendation for SN Finarkle to be immediately accepted into USNA. She exhibits all the sterling qualities expected of a junior officer and is a respected leader among her peers. She can handle the academic rigors at USNA and thrive in the face of professional challenge. I would be proud to see SN Finarkle gain her commission and would welcome her into my wardroom in future.” Or, “Forwarded, not recommending approval. SN Finarkle has not demonstrated the aptitude and professional commitment that would be expected of a candidate for a commissioning program.” USNA will look extremely closely at what the CO says from the Fleet experience viewpoint. Ditto from a Marine Corps enlisted background.
 
So, those still CPR, with waivers pending (or not), do they have statistically a better chance of an appointment than before? Hate to put it that way given so many painful TWEs recently, but do those TWEs increase the chances of the "survivors"?
 
newtonsapple said:
So, those still CPR, with waivers pending (or not), do they have statistically a better chance of an appointment than before? Hate to put it that way given so many painful TWEs recently, but do those TWEs increase the chances of the "survivors"?
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Well … I don’t think anyone here has any real data …. I suppose if you or anyone else had the real data, we could see the profile in a Histogram … that would be interesting.

Anyway … control what you can control … which really means, if it ain’t nailed down, don’t concern yourself with it and go do something productive instead …
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blhenrywalpole said:
I’m sorry for all the rejections and waitlisting. Your kids made it this far and that is a testimony to them. Give them a few days to deal with the rejection and they will all be fine and go on to do great things.

I’m seeing a lot of waitlisting for NAPS. To me, that seems like an insult. Would your kids accept a waitlist to a community college? That’s in essence what they are offering.
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I was going to let your remark go without replying but after thinking about it I have to let you know how wildly off base you are in your viewpoint. Your comment is insulting to those who did get the NAPS nod, and insulting to those whose kids are going to go to CC.

We would have BEEN ECSTATIC if our kid had been waitlisted for NAPS. Its nothing but a benefit- one year of accelerated USNA focused academics, teamwork, opp for leadership, comradery and a SHOE IN to the USNA proper, plus a small paycheck. What's not to love?

I personally started my successful 25 year Naval career at a CC. I'm currently attending a great CC, with a plan to start a new chapter in my book in a different career field and I graduate the program in 4 weeks. It's ranked 5th in the nation for its curriculum and highly respected. It costs a fraction of the price of the 4 year in a smaller more personal setting. I have developed strong personal relationships with the instructors who are all working professionals in their fields, which have led to internships and job offerings in my new profession. So tell me again why a CC path is insulting? And by the way NAPS is not remotely in the hemisphere of a CC equivalent, you need to do some more research on it and readjust your attitude.
 
Navy2B said:
Why not enlist? I missed that post.
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I was enlisted before I was accepted to ECP. If the goal is to be an officer first and foremost, enlisting is not the way. It is a path full of obstacles and timing. You have very little control over when and how quickly you can apply to the various commissioning paths. Dont do it. If you want to serve first and foremost, then consider enlisting.
PS, I used to be head of officer recruiting of my district. Cant tell you the # of times an enlisted member with a 4 year degree came to me with sob stories of lies told them by their enlisted recruiters of how easy a path to commission was.
 
G0navybeat@rmy said:
Turned down. This one doesn’t sting like the other ones, doesn’t even really hurt. Unlike other years I will be on a path to commission with Auburn NROTC. Good luck to all, I hope to see you in the fleet some day.
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And you will be there sooner, rather than later!! Congrats. When you get to the fleet, none of this will matter 💯!!
 
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G0navybeat@rmy said:
Turned down. This one doesn’t sting like the other ones, doesn’t even really hurt. Unlike other years I will be on a path to commission with Auburn NROTC. Good luck to all, I hope to see you in the fleet some day.
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I just took a little journey reading your posts since 2019. I don’t know you, but wow, I’m so proud of you. Someday you’re going to realize your dream and be an excellent Naval officer. And like @justdoit19 said, nobody will care how you got there. They’ll only care about the kind of person and leader you’ve become. Best to you in all your future endeavors @G0navybeat@rmy !
 
RETCDR17 said:
I was going to let your remark go without replying but after thinking about it I have to let you know how wildly off base you are in your viewpoint. Your comment is insulting to those who did get the NAPS nod, and insulting to those whose kids are going to go to CC.

We would have BEEN ECSTATIC if our kid had been waitlisted for NAPS. Its nothing but a benefit- one year of accelerated USNA focused academics, teamwork, opp for leadership, comradery and a SHOE IN to the USNA proper, plus a small paycheck. What's not to love?

I personally started my successful 25 year Naval career at a CC. I'm currently attending a great CC, with a plan to start a new chapter in my book in a different career field and I graduate the program in 4 weeks. It's ranked 5th in the nation for its curriculum and highly respected. It costs a fraction of the price of the 4 year in a smaller more personal setting. I have developed strong personal relationships with the instructors who are all working professionals in their fields, which have led to internships and job offerings in my new profession. So tell me again why a CC path is insulting? And by the way NAPS is not remotely in the hemisphere of a CC equivalent, you need to do some more research on it and readjust your attitude.
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If you read through the threads, you will see the caliber of students that applied to the C/O 2027. Some of the schools they were accepted to include Cornell, Notre Dame and Georgia Tech. Now, if you got accepted to those schools and then received a wait list offer to East Mississippi Community College, I would consider the wait list offer to be insulting.

If you think NAPS is not the equivalent to a community college education, try transferring the classes you take there to another institution such as Georgia Tech. (Even USNA doesn’t accept them.)
 
blhenrywalpole said:
If you read through the threads, you will see the caliber of students that applied to the C/O 2027. Some of the schools they were accepted to include Cornell, Notre Dame and Georgia Tech. Now, if you got accepted to those schools and then received a wait list offer to East Mississippi Community College, I would consider the wait list offer to be insulting.

If you think NAPS is not the equivalent to a community college education, try transferring the classes you take there to another institution such as Georgia Tech. (Even USNA doesn’t accept them.)
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Lol

Did the applicants accepted to Cornell, Notre Dame, and Georgia Tech get waitlisted into Naps?

Do you think Harvard could teach my son calculus better than a community college?
 
Kinda feel like this community college thread is getting the best of everyone right now. Emotions are running pretty high for those that feel like a million bucks and those that are feeling pretty horrible. It’s clearly unfair to compare any of the examples and might just be best to show some empathy and move on. I’ll add that this forum is literally the first “social media” I’ve engaged with so I hope my comments don’t invite a lot of blowback.
 
As a parent of an AF grad, you get get prep, GRAB IT AND DON’T LOOK BACK. Unlike USNA, AF preppies aren’t guaranteed a to the academy after prep. we didn’t care. It was an opportunity. My husband was is a NAPS USNA and Navy Postgrad school grad. Newport is a cool place.

We took the prep offer because how could a postgrad year hurt no matter what the outcome would’ve been. While at AFprep, she applied to Georgetown Cornell and Notre Dame. She also got into VT Coros of cadets. . She got accepted to all of the schools she applied to with scholarships. Our thinking was if she didn’t get an appointment to the Hill, thank you very much for a year of knowledge refreshing and building a professional disposition. The other thing is who cares if the courses don’t transfer! All expenses are paid and they get E1 pay at minimum. Nothing is lost.
 
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