USNA Class of 2027 Waiting and Speculating

NavyHoops said:
Why not enlisted? If the goal is to be officer, enlisted is a path, but it comes with very little guarantees. Some think it’s an ‘easier path’, I disagree. There are so many variables that someone who takes this path does not have control over. Finishing boot camp, school, getting to the fleet itself can take 1-2 years depending on your path. A commander’s endorsement is required. A CO putting their name to paper may require some time for them to observe you before they do that. Putting a package together during all this and then throw a deployment together, it’s not 1 year then reapply. Sure it can happen, but it may not. Next thing you know you are now 20-21 and have 1 shot. There are some enlisted paths that tend to send more than others, such as nuke school. They screen high performing Sailors for their academic background and help put packages together. I know a young man who did this, but he knew the risk. Prior to enlisting he retook the SAT several times and spent the summer at community college taking Calc, Chem and English to bolster his resume before boot camp. He was honor grad at boot camp. Went to nuke school and stood out and got his appt. If someone goes this path we always recommend to be prepared to serve the entire enlistment as USNA or other commissioning programs are not guaranteed.
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Oh. Where were you when my recruiter said Nuc Eng is the definite path?
 
Capt MJ said:
Always such excellent insights into this path. I think it can be longer, more winding, more boulder strewn, than other paths, but it is a path.

Young sailors do have a way of getting into trouble together, and before you know it, a pristine record has a big blot on it. The new sailor has to excel on every front - academic in the schoolhouse, in military performance, in personal conduct, in their everyday jobs when they get to the Fleet and are at the bottom of the heap, doing scut work as part of their dues. The nuke school does indeed have an awareness and an expectation some of their students will head to USNA, and is familiar with the enlisted application process. Other enlisted ratings, much will depend on the willingness of the chain of command to help and counsel, and the biggest chunk of that is the CO’s endorsement in the application. The CO must forward it, but there is a big difference in message being sent between “Forwarded, recommending approval” and “Forwarded, with my strongest personal and professional recommendation for SN Finarkle to be immediately accepted into USNA. She exhibits all the sterling qualities expected of a junior officer and is a respected leader among her peers. She can handle the academic rigors at USNA and thrive in the face of professional challenge. I would be proud to see SN Finarkle gain her commission and would welcome her into my wardroom in future.” Or, “Forwarded, not recommending approval. SN Finarkle has not demonstrated the aptitude and professional commitment that would be expected of a candidate for a commissioning program.” USNA will look extremely closely at what the CO says from the Fleet experience viewpoint. Ditto from a Marine Corps enlisted background.
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Thank you.
 
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wannafly18 said:
As a parent of an AF grad, you get get prep, GRAB IT AND DON’T LOOK BACK. Unlike USNA, AF preppies aren’t guaranteed a to the academy after prep. we didn’t care. It was an opportunity. My husband was is a NAPS USNA and Navy Postgrad school grad. Newport is a cool place.

We took the prep offer because how could a postgrad year hurt no matter what the outcome would’ve been. While at AFprep, she applied to Georgetown Cornell and Notre Dame. She also got into VT Coros of cadets. . She got accepted to all of the schools she applied to with scholarships. Our thinking was if she didn’t get an appointment to the Hill, thank you very much for a year of knowledge refreshing and building a professional disposition. The other thing is who cares if the courses don’t transfer! All expenses are paid and they get E1 pay at minimum. Nothing is lost.
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I’m with you! My DS is awaiting his fate for USAFA, but the I have the same feeling. Actually, I’d prefer that he got offered a prep year vs. USAFA slot. Tons of positives, one being that it would give him a Post-grad athletic year. Makes you much more likely to be offered a roster spot at the academy or other colleges if you don’t like military life. It gives you a year to figure out what you want to do. If you go to the academy after prep, you know what to expect and it will be so much easier (physically and mentally). It should help with discipline. Wherever you go after prep (Academy or other college), you should be ready for the challenge.
 
TWE yesterday around noon for my DD. She said it felt like a punch in the gut, but found peace that the wait was finally over. Plan B moving ahead at supersonic speed now… as recruited athlete to USMMA! 24 hours of pure excitement: the DIII celebratory letter is ready for her signing day at school, TWIC in process, and the family ordered our fun school gear. Her USNA journey began before 9th grade at Summer STEM and her eyes never came off of Annapolis. As the saying goes, “shoot for the moon and even if you miss, you’ll land among the stars.” USNA isn’t her destiny but by giving it her all, she did earn an appointment to USMMA and a full 4 year ROTC MO scholarship.
I’ll be spending my time on the USMMA forum, but they are not nearly as fun(ny) and my virtual USNA friends- not sure anyone will appreciate chin splints jokes and magic 8 ball references. Wishing the class of 2027 the best in everything, wherever you find your destiny!
 
A1Janitor said:
Lol

Did the applicants accepted to Cornell, Notre Dame, and Georgia Tech get waitlisted into Naps?
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They got outright rejected...

USNA Class of 2027 Waiting and Speculating

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USNA Class of 2027 Waiting and Speculating

Pretty girl. Beautiful voice. Thank you. Her YouTube channel is worth exploring. “Hallelujah” comes with max goosebumps.
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Again, with that caliber of student, I view a wait list offer to NAPS as an insult.
A1Janitor said:
Do you think Harvard could teach my son calculus better than a community college?
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Given that its math department is ranked in the top ten in the country, what community college do you think has a better math department? It would have to be just below MIT and Princeton's to be above Harvard's...


I'm open to see what community college you have in mind.
 
You misunderstood my question. I asked if you believe Harvard could teach my son calculus better than a community college. I didn’t ask if Harvard was ranked higher than a community college or had a better math department.

Of course the missing piece in your analysis between USNA and Harvard - one requires a nomination and applicants compete on a slate.

You can have ten awesome candidates that could get into top schools. Not all of those ten can get into USNA on the same slate.
 
blhenrywalpole said:
Again, with that caliber of student, I view a wait list offer to NAPS as an insult.
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If you claim it’s your dream to attend USNA and then you reject an offer to NAPS because you consider it an insult to your brilliant credentials, then it’s clearly not your dream to attend USNA. Because as far as sure things go, there aren’t many more sure than the path from NAPS to USNA.

Many desire an appointment to USNA because of the exclusivity and prestige. So of course many high-caliber applicants won’t make the cut. That’s what makes for an exclusive and prestigious institution. If USNA wasn’t rejecting most of the high-caliber applicants, then doesn’t that diminish the luster that so many covet? Simple logic, isn’t it?

By the way, there are some generals and admirals and otherwise highly successful alumni of the SAs — including captains of industry — who’d dispute the notion that NAPS is no better than a community college. Because that’s the path they took, to their betterment as future mids.

@blhenrywalpole, your posts make clear your frustration and disappointment and loss of faith in the admissions process. Understandable to a degree — emotions can be raw at this point. But stating that admissions isn’t really about merit (as your post history shows) is itself without merit. Besmirching others’ achievement doesn’t make your case or candidacy any stronger.

At DD’s recent TBS graduation, the commanding officer mentioned the key attributes of leadership. Humbleness and gratitude were among them. The many 2LTs we congratulated afterward spoke genuinely and generously about classmates whom they considered so much better, stronger, smarter, fitter than themselves. They acknowledged publicly that no matter how accomplished they themselves might be, there were others who surpassed them.

Your attitude of belittling the process — and by implication, those who benefit from it — is exactly the opposite. It smacks of entitlement. Whether you’re a parent or a candidate, it’s not becoming at all.
 
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SunnyDays365 said:
TWE yesterday around noon for my DD. She said it felt like a punch in the gut, but found peace that the wait was finally over. Plan B moving ahead at supersonic speed now… as recruited athlete to USMMA! 24 hours of pure excitement: the DIII celebratory letter is ready for her signing day at school, TWIC in process, and the family ordered our fun school gear. Her USNA journey began before 9th grade at Summer STEM and her eyes never came off of Annapolis. As the saying goes, “shoot for the moon and even if you miss, you’ll land among the stars.” USNA isn’t her destiny but by giving it her all, she did earn an appointment to USMMA and a full 4 year ROTC MO scholarship.
I’ll be spending my time on the USMMA forum, but they are not nearly as fun(ny) and my virtual USNA friends- not sure anyone will appreciate chin splints jokes and magic 8 ball references. Wishing the class of 2027 the best in everything, wherever you find your destiny!
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Welcome to the USMMA family. Be sure to join the official USMMA parents association class of 2027 on FB. There is the first welcome call tonight at 8:00 EST. Also, look for you states USMMA parents association group as well. Can't go wrong with USMMA and the choices they have at graduation.
 
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blhenrywalpole said:
If you read through the threads, you will see the caliber of students that applied to the C/O 2027. Some of the schools they were accepted to include Cornell, Notre Dame and Georgia Tech. Now, if you got accepted to those schools and then received a wait list offer to East Mississippi Community College, I would consider the wait list offer to be insulting.

If you think NAPS is not the equivalent to a community college education, try transferring the classes you take there to another institution such as Georgia Tech. (Even USNA doesn’t accept them.)
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Note that US Naval Academy only has a 4,600 student population compared to Ga. Tech at 14,485, Cornell at 15,735 and Notre Dame at 8,833. When you factor in that the Naval Academy has one student from each congressional district which the other schools do not, you can see how a person can gain admittance to those prestigious schools and not get accepted at the Naval Academy--just not enough spots to go around. Further if you factor in the interview, leadership and athletic requirements that the Naval Academy weighs in admissions that may not be a part of the other schools criteria, you can see that an academically talented student may not meet the full criteria of the Naval Academy.
 
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This Blowhole —> @blhenrywalpole <—

1. ~11 messages

2. Early March 2020 posts 1st message … sentiment is of encouragement

3. 2nd message March 20, 2020 … very negative on the process … broad brush statement about the best candidates … sentiment is of feeling ignored and forsaken …

4. Disappears for “3 years” … message gap … Resurfaces this past Monday April 10 … playing the “Supportive Game” and “Feeling the pain” of current candidates and their loved ones … then the messages are negative once again … poking …

5. Posts 9 messages since Monday … 11 total

6. Lurking … will he go away?
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blhenrywalpole said:
I’m seeing a lot of waitlisting for NAPS. To me, that seems like an insult. Would your kids accept a waitlist to a community college? That’s in essence what they are offering.
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You are wrong with this assessment. NAPS is not and does not want to be a community college and in fact does not offer a community college type structure.
In my humble opinion, it is more similar to the "Cram Schools" or "Review Courses" that are taken by many applicants for Med School and Law School before they enter and then courses similar prior to major completion milestones like the Bar or CPA exam. One of my daughters is currently in Med School and she had a major exam at the end of year 3 and to prepare, she went and took a special review course (outside of her school) to better prepare herself for it. Like a pre-LSAT course, the NAPS (and its counterparts) courses of study are not intended to take the place of all or part of a college Freshman's year as a Community College is supposed to do but rather, it is a polish or groom of the student to maximize their ability to succeed at the Service Academies.
 
blhenrywalpole said:
Again, with that caliber of student, I view a wait list offer to NAPS as an insult.

Given that its math department is ranked in the top ten in the country, what community college do you think has a better math department? It would have to be just below MIT and Princeton's to be above Harvard's...

I'm open to see what community college you have in mind.
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I am very grateful to be a candidate who was placed on the NAPS-Waitlist and I am in no way insulted that I was offered the opportunity for a second look. Your statement about NAPS Waitlisters, however, IS extremely insulting. Students with much better statistics than me have been straight up turned down, so I consider myself to be extremely lucky.
Comparing NAPS to a community college and completely disregarding its reputation as ***The Golden Ticket*** is more of an insult than being placed on the waitlist could ever be. NAPS is a fantastic steppingstone towards the academy and receiving a commission. NAPSters typically perform better at Plebe Summer compared to the ill prepared high school graduates who stumble through it completely clueless.
If this is really how you’re going to treat an opportunity to get appointed, why did you even bother applying?
 
blhenrywalpole said:
Again, with that caliber of student, I view a wait list offer to NAPS as an insult.
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Not a USNA candidate but have friends and family who are. Being waitlisted for NAPS is not an insult. They are extending you further consideration to go to prep school, which is beyond the prestige of community college. I meet so many prepsters who have said "prep school was the best year of my life," and so many direct appointments who say "I wish I could have had a prep year." A lot of regimental commanders, guide-ons, and class staff are from prep school. That year gives them the academic and military prestige to survive and thrive at the academies, not to mention a close group of friends from their prep year. The extra time, discipline, training and schooling are what make prep school so valuable, it's called "the golden ticket" for a reason. As a soon-to-be cadet candidate, and hopefully, future class of 2028 at USCGA, I'm sorry that you don't see prep school for what it's really worth.
 
Dr. Strange Love said:
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This Blowhole —> @blhenrywalpole <—

1. ~11 messages

2. Early March 2020 posts 1st message … sentiment is of encouragement

3. 2nd message March 20, 2020 … very negative on the process … broad brush statement about the best candidates … sentiment is of feeling ignored and forsaken …

4. Disappears for “3 years” … message gap … Resurfaces this past Monday April 10 … playing the “Supportive Game” and “Feeling the pain” of current candidates and their loved ones … then the messages are negative once again … poking …

5. Posts 9 messages since Monday … 11 total

6. Lurking … will he go away?
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Can the moderators please ban this person? Obviously a troll = blhenrywalpole
 
USN/USCGMamaBear said:
Ok, I’ll bite. Do you mind sharing the historical data of KY postings? We have 6 districts (and obviously 2 senators). We know one other confirmed (accepted) appointment besides the one posted on the forum.
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I scanned last year’s list. I only saw one Kentucky reported. Which % is approximately in line with the % total posting appointment on SAF to total offer of appointments overall.
 
Allectus said:
Note that US Naval Academy only has a 4,600 student population compared to Ga. Tech at 14,485, Cornell at 15,735 and Notre Dame at 8,833. When you factor in that the Naval Academy has one student from each congressional district which the other schools do not, you can see how a person can gain admittance to those prestigious schools and not get accepted at the Naval Academy--just not enough spots to go around. Further if you factor in the interview, leadership and athletic requirements that the Naval Academy weighs in admissions that may not be a part of the other schools criteria, you can see that an academically talented student may not meet the full criteria of the Naval Academy.
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Don't forget up to 3 congressional applications and interviews before the USNA application and the Medical history and exams
 
Dr. Strange Love said:
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This Blowhole —> @blhenrywalpole <—

1. ~11 messages

2. Early March 2020 posts 1st message … sentiment is of encouragement

3. 2nd message March 20, 2020 … very negative on the process … broad brush statement about the best candidates … sentiment is of feeling ignored and forsaken …

4. Disappears for “3 years” … message gap … Resurfaces this past Monday April 10 … playing the “Supportive Game” and “Feeling the pain” of current candidates and their loved ones … then the messages are negative once again … poking …

5. Posts 9 messages since Monday … 11 total

6. Lurking … will he go away?
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Excellent detective work - Dr of Stange Love
 
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