Chance of Denial

18Hopeful said:
Thank you for your insight. How many kids are in the SAP program who are self-prep? Have any of those kids been appointed? We have been trying to decide if the SAP program is equal/better/worse then attending a college closer to home that also offered scholarship money. I think the structure of MMI would be very beneficial to DS. The whole process is a little overwhelming but I'm not from a military family. :)

If your DS is not appointed (I assume he will be appointed) will he attend MMI another year? Just curious.

Thanks again!
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I have no information on self preppers and appointments, I am sorry to say.

If DS does not get in, he will attend MMI again and will apply to all 5 SA's. My only thing is I am not sure that the SAT prep classes were able to help him any. I wish they would have been a little more helpful, but I wasn't there to see if he was screwing off (I will assume not but you know the teenage male brain...)

I agree on how overwhelming it can be to come from a totally non-military family. Believe me, sister- I GET THAT!
 
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My DS was rejected out of high school from both KP and Coast Guard and self prepped last year. High school SAT 530 r 590 m.Went to MMI and got 3.53 1st semester and 3.8 2nd semester took SAT twice more bringing scores to 600 r 610 m. He was wait listed from both schools but ultimately rejected again, but he knew he was close. He decided to return and self prep again and this year applied to all SA. He has one appointment offer, waiting to hear about two more before deciding. MMI is great, they looked at his weaknesses and put him in classes to most likely to help achieve his goals. The faculty and administrators have real relationships with senior admissions staff at all of the SA's. Last year 9/15 self preppers got appointments to USCGA .[/QUOTE]

Sounds like MMI definitely helped your DS. Our DS SAT score was 640R and 660M which is maybe a little below average from what I have seen posted. His GPA is decent but probably not competitive because of our school's grading scale which is rigid and a stubborn teenager. Class grades are based 90% off test scores so if you do poorly on a test then it's really hard to recover. The other issue is the grading scale is not conventional. For example an 80% is a C and anything under 75% is failing. DS has a 3.4 but you can't translate it to the typical scale. The other issue is that our school system doesn't retain pertinent information on the grade with corresponding percentages. We know our DS received a "B-" in an AP math but is that grade actually a B+ or A- on the grading scale most high schools use? It really gives kids a disadvantage when you cannot compare apples to apples but it is what it is. DS is prepared for the rejection. I can see the benefit of MMI to prepare for a military lifestyle but also for the routine. DS does really well in a structure environment and I can see how MMI could help him mature and achieve his ultimate goal.
 
18Hopeful said:
Sounds like MMI definitely helped your DS. Our DS SAT score was 640R and 660M which is maybe a little below average from what I have seen posted. His GPA is decent but probably not competitive because of our school's grading scale which is rigid and a stubborn teenager. Class grades are based 90% off test scores so if you do poorly on a test then it's really hard to recover. The other issue is the grading scale is not conventional. For example an 80% is a C and anything under 75% is failing. DS has a 3.4 but you can't translate it to the typical scale. The other issue is that our school system doesn't retain pertinent information on the grade with corresponding percentages. We know our DS received a "B-" in an AP math but is that grade actually a B+ or A- on the grading scale most high schools use? It really gives kids a disadvantage when you cannot compare apples to apples but it is what it is. DS is prepared for the rejection. I can see the benefit of MMI to prepare for a military lifestyle but also for the routine. DS does really well in a structure environment and I can see how MMI could help him mature and achieve his ultimate goal.
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640 reading/660 math is a touch low but really right on the average. I'd say he has a decent chance based on those numbers, based on how competitive it is for 2023, if things swing from year to year slightly.
 
GPA might be not that relevant if the classes taken have been challenging. My DS's unweighted GPA is not stellar either - 3.34, but he took 10 AP classes.
SAT score improved with each exam and multiple practice tests. He didn't attend any SAT prep classes, but took Khan academy online practice tests. His PSAT scores hovered around 1300 and he took SAT twice with score 1,460. Last time he improved up to 790 on the Reading section, but couldn't improve his Math section. Sometimes one test could be more challenging than the other. On the other hand his ACT score was 30. Some kids excel in SAT and some in ACT. In addition when to take the SAT exam could make a difference too. I think that during school time - September to March kids are more focused and in tune to take exams compared to summer and fall time before school starts. Good luck to those who will try again for the tests.
 
So if a state has a certain amount of slots, does it matter what their GPA/SAT/Extra. For example, a state has two slots one applicant may not be all that competitive, do they have to take them if only two apply. I keep reading that HOLD is a good thing. Just feel spots only open when people decline and HOLD are just space fillers.
 
NWL is national wait list. Unlike orher service academies, USMMA does not have a wait list. Candidates are generally put on hold when they are found to be fully qualified for an appointment. Coming off hold status DOES NOT require someone else to turn down an offer of appointment. Many early appointees were on hold status when only a few offers had been sent out and way before the class was "full." Try to resist the temptation to make yourself crazy guessing what admissions is doing because you can never really know. I am sure that MANY spots remain for the incoming class. There is no more that can be done to influence results at this point. Get a good backup plan ready and then enjoy your time together as a family before your DS/DD leaves and turns into a visitor at your home. Do not spend one more minute of your precious time worrying about what you cannot control. Easier said than done, I know. Now go plan a fun family outing for the coming weekend. Just my two cents.
 
kpmom2013 said:
NWL is national wait list. Unlike orher service academies, USMMA does not have a wait list. Candidates are generally put on hold when they are found to be fully qualified for an appointment. Coming off hold status DOES NOT require someone else to turn down an offer of appointment. Many early appointees were on hold status when only a few offers had been sent out and way before the class was "full." Try to resist the temptation to make yourself crazy guessing what admissions is doing because you can never really know. I am sure that MANY spots remain for the incoming class. There is no more that can be done to influence results at this point. Get a good backup plan ready and then enjoy your time together as a family before your DS/DD leaves and turns into a visitor at your home. Do not spend one more minute of your precious time worrying about what you cannot control. Easier said than done, I know. Now go plan a fun family outing for the coming weekend. Just my two cents.
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Would just like to be able to get excited for next adventure. We have a solid Plan B, but can't even get excited about that until we know about Plan A. We can't help but stress and the process is so long.
 
Thats_my_Boy! said:
what is self-prepping?
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Candidate does a year of college, on their own dime, to show admissions how well they do in college and then re-apply. There are ‘sponsored prep’ kids who get some academy assistance to attend one of the approved prep schools such as Marien Military, New Mexico Military, etc.

Self prepping worked well for my son, although he decided on his own to self prep before applying for the first time because of moving and several high schools. He felt he would be better prepared to succeed.
 
azmilmom said:
Thats_my_Boy! said:
what is self-prepping?
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Candidate does a year of college, on their own dime, to show admissions how well they do in college and then re-apply. There are ‘sponsored prep’ kids who get some academy assistance to attend one of the approved prep schools such as Marien Military, New Mexico Military, etc.

Self prepping worked well for my son, although he decided on his own to self prep before applying for the first time because of moving and several high schools. He felt he would be better prepared to succeed.
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that's What I thought. thanks
 
NROTC123 said:
GPA 3.12
passed CFA
two nominations
passed DodMerb
SAT 600 math 580
No AP classes
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SAT scores are below average for KP. Consider retaking and try to attain at least 630-650 for both verbal and, most importantly, math. Good luck.
 
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