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Discussion in 'ROTC' started by WXH1, Jun 11, 2017.

  1. WXH1

    WXH1 Member

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    We have had tomorrow, June 12th marked on the calendar for a long time. DS is applying for AROTC. Could you let me know how his stats look and also I have a question about college choices.

    GPA 3.92 UW/4.855 Weighted
    SAT 1270 (660 CR 610 math)
    Rank 6th out of 148
    (ACT score expected in July)

    Army JROTC ( completed 6 LET, will be 7 and 8 senior year)
    Current Battalion Commander
    Current captain of state champion Raider Team
    Iron Man Raider award
    2 summers attending JCLC ( JROTC Cadet Leadership Camp)

    Varsity letter in soccer Fr, So and Jr
    Captain of soccer team Jr year and also All-Region and All-Area Academic teams

    PFT: 109 push ups, 80 curl ups and 5:46 mile

    DO you see any deficiencies or any reason not to apply 1st board?

    He has one school he really wants. Its not a reach school, its a state supported public that we are pretty confident he will be accepted I have read that we need to list multiple schools on the AROTC application. Does listing a lot of others lessen his chances of getting it at the school he wants? Or are the decisions completely independent? We have toured the school but he has not spoken directly/personally to the ROTC staff. Would it be helpful or beneficial to do so ( in terms of getting the scholarship?) Thanks so much, I am totally new to this!
     
  2. Kronk

    Kronk Member

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    Improve on the SAT
    The PFT looks inflated. I would seriously doubt those numbers.
    Leadership is average, it's just JROTC and a sport.
     
  3. EDelahanty

    EDelahanty 5-Year Member

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    Looks competitive on-screen. Unless there will be a major improvement somewhere, it can't hurt to try for the first board, which may be the most selective. The PFT for the scholarship application involves 1 minute tests for push-ups and curls. I don.t think the laws of physics would allow for 109 push-ups in one minute.
     
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    A 1270 SAT score is not the best for such a competitive program. The math needs to be worked on more than the english, but improvement in both is necessary.
     
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    You can submit your application anytime you feel it's complete. A couple of things to add if you may have forgotten...volunteer hours? NHS? Part time jobs?
     
  7. glen

    glen 5-Year Member

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    As someone noted, you should consider participating in additional leadership besides JROTC and sports outside the classroom. It may be too late for American Legion Boy's State. Consider volunteering for organizations that help veterans, supports some worthwhile community involvement during the summer, and during your Senior year become involved with Class leadership. Shows your interest in selfless service - a major consideration for anyone thinking of a military career or service.
     
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    of all the things you could do raising your SAT scores would have the biggest "impact" (I think)
    my son had almost no community service. SAT 1310, decent but not great GPA, OK PFT, 4 years varsity football, captain senior year.
    he got a 3 year on 2nd board.
     
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    EDelahanty 5-Year Member

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    Okay, I stand corrected, though I wonder if any of the world record 132 push-ups would have been counted toward the APFT. Just what is a back-of-hand push-up, anyways? And how would you get to a 90 degree angle?

    This is not a suggestion to follow up on, but imagine if at his first on-campus APFT he said to the MS4 or the non-com counting cadets' push-ups:

    "I hope you can count fast. When I was in JROTC, I nearly set a world record for push-ups."
     
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    kinnem Moderator 5-Year Member

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    I would definitely want to be there for that. :popcorn1:
     
  11. PurplePanther

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    I interpreted it as a push-up where your palms are on the floor, but I'm not an expert.
    No luck finding a video either, I guess we'll just have to imagine it...


    Sorry for derailing your thread.
     
  12. WXH1

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    Thanks everyone, he does have about 180 hours of community service, although Im sure more would be better. He does have a summer job right now and some part time work last year and next. His ACT scores are supposed to come out in a couple of weeks so hopefully those will be higher than his SAT. As for the PFT, I know it sounds crazy, I probably wouldnt believe it either! I printed the form off of the army website and his senior army instructor gave it to him right before school got out because he wanted to do the test while he felt like he was peak ( working out 3 times a day- before school raider, during school jrtoc class and afterschool soccer) I have the paper filled out and signed by his SAI ( who is a Lt Colonel and West Point grad). He wrote in the comment box "outstanding athlete" I just looked at it and I had remembered wrong, it was 103 on push-up , and then as I posted above for sit-up and mile. B/c of being a multi year state raider champs they practice PT tests multiple times a week. At meets they are graded by ROTC cadets from local colleges . But from what Im reading on here, now I am worried about uploading it and having his application viewed with skepticism??!
     
  13. Kronk

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    They understand that the people grading his PFT will likely give him slack in hopes to help him.
    They will understand he should be able to meet the ROTC requirements. It wont hurt much (if at all), and it may help.
    Don't fret it too much, just dont let him think he'll get 100+ push-ups in ROTC. Few kids do even at SMCs.
     
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    Sledge 5-Year Member

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    Captain in sports and letters look good. Good class rank.

    Take the ACT/SAT again and again until the deadline passes . Study for it.
     
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    My daughter was told over and over, to be competitive 3.5 gpa and a 1200 on SAT or 26 on ACT for Army. That doesn't mean that is necessarily good enough, but it is what every school she visited told her would make her competitive given the rest of her application was strong. It is a whole person score. Yes, higher is better, but as long as the rest of the application is strong, for Army, these are competitive scores. There are kids with lower that get scholarships and higher that don't. So my suggestion is his current scores are not a reason not to apply early, but definitely if he can improve between now and October that would just help. My DD received a 3 year AD scholarship on the 3rd board, and she had a 26 ACT and a 3.57 GPA. She was "right on the line" for being competitive. She was upgraded based on her performance once she got to school, contracting second semester of her freshman year.

    Touring the school has nothing to do with getting a national scholarship, but it can help him get great information about the application process and if he really sees himself as a fit at that school and in ROTC. My daughter thought she had her school picked out for sure, number 1 all the way, until she visited and just felt for her the ROTC connection was not there. She ended up with her number 4 school, one not on her radar before. A lot can change between one summer and the next, options are good, always. It also helps him if he for some reason does not receive a scholarship he could be offered a campus based off of the relationship he builds during the scholarship process. Plus my daughter visited four schools and received good information from each and every visit that helped her with the process and with her application. One ROO gave her invaluable advice to wait until second board and retake the ACT, and another read her essay and made suggestions and even another made suggestions on activities she could add since she spent part of high school in Germany and was light on sports. They all helped her a great deal.

    List everything, any work, volunteer time, involvement with community or church groups, any school based awards, etc. List everything. Well rounded is what they are looking for, that is why the whole person score is so important.
     
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  16. Dckc88

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    YES, study for it! My three of my kids all figured that out after the 2nd or 3rd try....