AF ROTC Enrollment Allocation Results

No results form Texas yet... I wouldn't be surprised if cadre pulls something April Fools related.

I was emailed a couple weeks ago these Max dates. These differ from the previous ones listed by just a couple days. Which one is correct?

Max 1: 10 May - 7 Jun
Max 2: 24 May - 21 Jun
Max 3: 7 Jun - 5 Jul
Max 4: 21 Jun - 19 Jul
Max 5: 5 Jul - 2 Aug
Max 6: 19 Jul - 16 Aug
 
Okay, time to stop for a second.

Many of you may not have read my DH's post, but here it is and read it.
http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=31226

If you are smart and click the link, this is what you will also read.

I got to go to Flight Screening at Daytona. What a thrill, flying AND the Beach! It was great, until I discovered (or, it was pointed out to me), that I just wasn’t military pilot material AT THAT TIME. It just didn’t click for me fast enough, I was constantly behind the aircraft. Bottom Line: washed out, right out of the gate. You thought I was crushed before? I was DEVASTATED! (Ask Pima, we were dating at the time). And for one semester after that, I simply “gave up”. My dream was gone, why should I care?

But someone cared about me, Capt Chester A.A. Arther, my ROTC advisor (and I’ll NEVER forget him). He saw my dream, and saw how involved I was, and saw how I loved that life, all before that fateful summer. And here’s the kicker: he went to bat for me with the ROTC leadership, putting his rep on the line for a kid he knew would be an asset for the AF if given another chance. He came up to me, and said “Son, we’re giving you another chance. Here’s a Nav slot. Don’t let me down.”

And I didn’t: graduated the next semester, with Capt Arther giving me my Oath of Office in front of my proud parents and future wife-to-be. Went on to Nav school, and for me it suddenly “clicked”. Flying to me became easy, fun, happy and thrilled to be doing it. While others studied and studied, then struggled in the classroom and the sim and in the air, I sailed through with ease. It was what I was BORN to do; and I graduated #2 in my class (only because I miss-marked one lousy test answer; one lousy answer!). Selected for fighters as a Weapon Systems Officer (WSO) (Sierra Hotel!), F-111s (the only “fighter” available at the time). Went on from there, doing well in every job, loving every job, amazed that Uncle Sam was now paying me to do something I love! Did the Jump thing with the Army for a couple of years when the F-111s went “bye-bye” (actually, I loved that as well). Then I got to the Strike Eagle, and I thought I was in HEAVEN! Flew in Alaska. Went to Gosh-awful places with some of the best men and women I ever had the honor of knowing and calling “friend”. Did the Pentagon thing. Had a FANTASTIC career, not because I was flying, but because I LOVED being an officer and a member of the world’s greatest AF. I still bleed AF blue. And when I raised my hand several years ago to take my oath of retirement, ask Pima, I could barely get the words out I was so emotional that the joy ride was over
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I posted this because I think many are giving up before the ball is called, and even if you get 500. That post was for AFROTC HS SRs. Bullet lost his scholarship, he was a 500. He became a DG at FTU, DG at SOS, in residence at Leavenworth for CGSC. Works on the 35 now. Retired as an O5 at 21, but he was AFROTC, so it was 20 ADAF.

If it doesn't happen, and you become a 500, I hope that you see Bullet and I get what you are all feeling, not as parents, but as what we lived through when Bullet was a cadet.
 
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Pima said:
Okay, time to stop for a second.

Many of you may not have read my DH's post, but here it is and read it.
http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=31226

If you are smart and click the link, this is what you will also read.



I posted this because I think many are giving up before the ball is called, and even if you get 500. That post was for AFROTC HS SRs. Bullet lost his scholarship, he was a 500. He became a DG at FTU, DG at SOS, in residence at Leavenworth for CGSC. Works on the 35 now. Retired as an O5 at 21, but he was AFROTC, so it was 20 ADAF.

If it doesn't happen, and you become a 500, I hope that you see Bullet and I get what you are all feeling, not as parents, but as what we lived through when Bullet was a cadet.
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Bullets post is a great read and a lesson in determination.

Not really understanding to workings of AFROTC I have a question. One of the things Bullet did not address in his post was the EA slots. From reading your previous posts it looks like some cadets that don't get an EA slot may have the chance to stay in the program and try again, I think I remember seeing something about a 500. My question is, what happens to the cadet that does not get offered that 500 position, is there a way for this cadet to somehow continue chasing that dream or is that the end of the road. AFROTC sounds tough right now, being hit hard by the budget cuts leaving less of those EA slots and making the competition higher. So I guess I was just wondering, what options are there for the cadet that does not get the EA slot or the 500.

Thanks.

EDIT: OK I have one more question. If a cadet does not get a EA slot and is not made a 500, or does become a 500 but can't continue dur to finances, is this cadet allowed to apply for OTS or is that not an option because they were disenrolled form AFROTC. The Air Force is quite confusing sometimes.
 
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Jcleppe said:
Bullets post is a great read and a lesson in determination.

Not really understanding to workings of AFROTC I have a question. One of the things Bullet did not address in his post was the EA slots. From reading your previous posts it looks like some cadets that don't get an EA slot may have the chance to stay in the program and try again, I think I remember seeing something about a 500. My question is, what happens to the cadet that does not get offered that 500 position, is there a way for this cadet to somehow continue chasing that dream or is that the end of the road. AFROTC sounds tough right now, being hit hard by the budget cuts leaving less of those EA slots and making the competition higher. So I guess I was just wondering, what options are there for the cadet that does not get the EA slot or the 500.

Thanks.
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In addition to the cadet that doesn't get offered the 500 year, what happens to current 500s who are already trying for the second time or cadets that CANNOT extend their degree another year due to personal/financial reasons, etc. Just end of the road/OTS for them? I've never heard of 500s going in to SFT and coming out as doubled up 300/400 in order to commission on time. Does the AF really care that they are finding a way around this?
 
In yrs past if the cadet is not offered a 500 slot, it is over. OCS is not an option because they did not meet the bar as an AFROTC cadet. If you go back 2 yrs on this forum you will see it was littered with cadets gong AROTC. They did not go NROTC because like AFROTC the soph yr is make or break. They will all go AD. Army at that time was accepting them. 1 yr ago, AROTC was not taking them.

I have not heard of any AFROTC cadet picked up later on with OCS, The reason why is what I have stated before. AFPC has determined for that FY they need X amt commissioned. OCS boards are going to ask if they have any connection to AFA or AFROTC.

I am confused with the question can't do it for financial reasons. If they are scholarship, the scholarship may stay in place as a 500. Additionally dets have scholarships for det only cadets.

crayola,

This comes down to manpower needs. The AF has given CSO bonuses for certain yr groups, They have been known to give age waivers too for UPT.

People are assuming that the AF won't waive this yr group.

I am not saying they will. Just like I am not about to say every cadet on a 4.5/5 yr program won't get SFT.

I am saying before we all jump off the bridge THINK! Maybe, just maybe they are protecting every cadet by taking the time and working with AF manpower.
crayola said:
Does the AF really care that they are finding a way around this?
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Here's your answer.
http://www.homestead.afrc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123338441
"We are cutting accessions on our enlisted side by 2.6 percent in FY13 and no reduction on the officer's side of the house because we think it is very important to maintain our seed corn as we go forward and we don't create bathtubs that we have to live with for 20 years," he said.
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They essentially said they are not going to throw out the baby (AFA/AFROTC) with the bath water.
 
reagan14 said:
No results form Texas yet... I wouldn't be surprised if cadre pulls something April Fools related.

I was emailed a couple weeks ago these Max dates. These differ from the previous ones listed by just a couple days. Which one is correct?

Max 1: 10 May - 7 Jun
Max 2: 24 May - 21 Jun
Max 3: 7 Jun - 5 Jul
Max 4: 21 Jun - 19 Jul
Max 5: 5 Jul - 2 Aug
Max 6: 19 Jul - 16 Aug
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The dates you listed above are incorrect. These dates were pulled directly from the Holm Center CC's letter regarding Air University scheduling (OTS and ROTC). I would post a link, but my post count isn't high enough to allow it.

Max 1: 14 May - 10 Jun
Max 2: 28 May - 24 Jun
Max 3: 11 Jun - 8 Jul
Max 4: 25 Jun - 22 Jul
Max 5: 9 Jul - 5 Aug
Max 6: 23 Jul - 19 Aug
 
Thanks Pima for the explanation, learn something new everyday.

So from what I understand, if you have a dream to become an Air Force Officer, there are many obsticles you can overcome, such as Bullet did on his path, but, if you do not eventually get an EA slot then that is the end of the road, no OTS, game over so to speak.

Now I understand the level of stress I see in these posts.

This year my son's battalion did pick up an AFROTC cadet that made the switch to AROTC, though I did hear it is very rare these days.
 
I have LLAB tomorrow morning, we're doing a parade. Lucky us, right? Anyway, how awesome would it be if they announced EAs during LLAB? One can dream right? I'll update tomorrow if anything is announced.
 
I'm sure everyone waiting for the EAs would appreciate that :D

I hope tomorrow is the day :biggrin:
 
Tomorrow

Ahh. Tomorrow I have to go in 15 minutes before PT with the rest of the contracted 200s and sign a form 16 about the stipend cut.

But maybe they'll have some good news to go with the bad!
 
Jcleppe said:
Thanks Pima for the explanation, learn something new everyday.

So from what I understand, if you have a dream to become an Air Force Officer, there are many obsticles you can overcome, such as Bullet did on his path, but, if you do not eventually get an EA slot then that is the end of the road, no OTS, game over so to speak.

Now I understand the level of stress I see in these posts.
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I asked my CoC about OTS and ROTC, and according to him, what's listed above is incorrect. The only reason you wouldn't be able to go to OTS is if you were dismissed from ROTC for doing something bad i.e. an integrity violation or doing drugs. That being said, I know some of the stress was taken off my back!

and the wait continues... :cool:
 
The more I read the more I think my chances are getting less and less =.=
 
719Frontier said:
Ahh. Tomorrow I have to go in 15 minutes before PT with the rest of the contracted 200s and sign a form 16 about the stipend cut.

But maybe they'll have some good news to go with the bad!
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Sounds like the opportune time for cadre to let you all know if you made it! We signed our Form 16s early last week...
 
Pima said:
I am confused with the question can't do it for financial reasons. If they are scholarship, the scholarship may stay in place as a 500. Additionally dets have scholarships for det only cadets.
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What about cadets who aren't on scholarship/are entirely self-supportive? I personally know that paying for another year of tuition, books, $500 parking permit, rent, food, gas is something I cannot sustain--and as a 500, I wouldn't be receiving a stipend. Loans are out of question as I'm already in deep. Staying on as a 500 only to not be guaranteed an EA and take the risk for ANOTHER year is very scary.

Pima said:
Here's your answer.
"We are cutting accessions on our enlisted side by 2.6 percent in FY13 and no reduction on the officer's side of the house because we think it is very important to maintain our seed corn as we go forward and we don't create bathtubs that we have to live with for 20 years," he said.
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^^ Doesn't make me feel better. All that states is that a RIF won't be implemented for officers... they won't kick anybody out but they also won't take as many in. AFA/AFROTC can still be hit...
 
ohconnor said:
I asked my CoC about OTS and ROTC, and according to him, what's listed above is incorrect. The only reason you wouldn't be able to go to OTS is if you were dismissed from ROTC for doing something bad i.e. an integrity violation or doing drugs.
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^^ Makes much more sense.
If you leave ROTC, you can be removed "with prejudice" or "without prejudice". If you are removed "with prejudice" from a commissioning source as stated above by ohconnor then you cannot reapply for another commissioning source. Otherwise you are free to apply. A former cadet from my detachment was released for failing the PFA but was allowed to apply to OTS--he was released "without prejudice".
 
Let me re-phrase the OCS issue. If you try to go this route you must tell the recruiter if you were in the AFA or AFROTC. Our close friends DS is going OCS this summer. When he was applying last yr. they told him that it would be close to zilch for him if he was in AFROTC before because the competition is stiff. The theory the recruiter stated was even if they left freely, they would be concerned about their commitment to the AF. If they were dis-enrolled their issue was that they didn't meet the the bar in AFROTC, so there is a history there.

Again, theoretically you can try, but on a whole odds are going against you either way.

Now, if they do not roll these cadets over to 500s and they have to take a lot of OCS candidates the competition would not be as stiff and the chances are good that they would take them.

As far as the comment about the bath water, it actually should make you feel good, because they said 20 yrs., not 5 or 10. They know not everyone is going to be in for 20 yrs., so they are going to try to keep incoming numbers at the current level.

I too think that unless you are on spring break last week, you might find out today. When our DS got his slot they brought them in before PT.
 
A counseling form. Basically signing a new form 16 says that you know of the changes happening
 
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