AF ROTC Enrollment Allocation Results

Whoa no need for that...

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You guys shouldn't be so dang sensitive. Moosetache has a point. If you've lost all will to carry on with your commissioning dreams just because of a delay in EA results, what else will you lose faith in when things don't work out according to your ideal agenda? The first time you go up for a RIF board and are awaiting the results, are you going to stop working the mission to commence with the sulking? When your last plane out of the AOR is late or doesn't show up, are you going to lose awareness of your surroundings because you're acting like a self-entitled brat? Things that make you go hmmm...
 
And how are you going to handle it when you are stuck in Afghanistan for an extra couple weeks while your wife and three kids are home missing you and worried sick? With no idea when you will actually be home?

It's the military get used to it.
 
Don't pretend that we're all perfect committed members and don't talk **** about the system. We're all guilty of it, because we're not pushovers. Doesn't mean we're sensitive. Just frustrated. Doesn't mean we're not committed, or we wouldn't be frustrated. I DO care if I get a slot or not. If you don't like to hear the "*****ing" and pretend you're not guilty of it, then go somewhere else.
 
It's fine to vent, but you all need to shut up and color.

If you are not ready for Field Training right now, then work on it. The delays on EAs has affected me zero. It's life. **** happens. Continue studying harder, training harder, and working harder as you do or should be doing always.

Good things come to those who wait. Patience is a virtue.
 
Keep the faith. Hopefully we'll all get good news this week and we'll all be seeing each other this summer at FT. HUA!
 
Aren't you burned out as a GMC already though? I feel like extending another year in school and paying another $50,000 isn't worth it.

Idk...I just feel like I put in a lot of work as a GMC already...I'm just ready for the next level.
 
My bad. Let me share my situation.

I attend a Tech school, so I came into this knowing I was a 5-year major (my EA is based on FY16 accessions). Thus, because I began my AS100 year in my first year at my university, I can participate as an AS500 with no drawbacks.

I completely agree with you, though. If you've done well, just keep your head up.

The biggest thing about Enrollment Allocations is that everyone already knows whether they got one or not (for the most part). If you've done well (GPA, SAT, PFA, involvement, etc.), you will be rewarded!
 
I think people are reading too much into these kids venting. I don't see it as losing their faith or commitment. I see it as they are a group of cadets that are ticked and commiserating with their peers.

If I had a dollar that Bullet and his peers beeaacched when they got together socially, I would own my house free and clear. Yet, none of them lost their dedication or commitment to the AF and their job.

This is a social network in a way. They are socializing with others.

I chuckled about the Afghanistan and being stuck there. Trust me if you said Korea, I would have sworn Bullet wrote that post. He was actually a flight commander at that time, and out of flights only B flight got stuck behind for 2 weeks. Our phone rang off the wall everyday from spouses wanting information, that I didn't have, and them wanting to vent to me. He had the same thing happening to him with his guys. It was just like what these kids are going through. They have no real answers and gossip mills go insane, so they (leadership) spends half the day trying to ascertain information, and half the day quashing rumors.

Will this happen later on in the ADAF, sure it will, but they will not be 20 feeling the weight of the world, their future barreling down at them. Exception O4 board, because that is akin to this for ADAF. No O4 and less than 16 yrs in, you are out!

Let the kids vent, for all we know they put on their uniform, and salute sharply never saying anything in their det. This is their only outlet where they feel they can vent. I could see some cadets not venting in the det., because they are a team player. Bullet always used to say. I may not agree, but I salute sharply and keep it to myself. When he was at home with our friends, it was just like this. We use to camp with our close friends, trust me if something big came down, that entire 3 days was filled with them venting to each other. Yet, on Monday, nobody would say anything in the squadron.
 
I think people are reading too much into these kids venting. I don't see it as losing their faith or commitment. I see it as they are a group of cadets that are ticked and commiserating with their peers.

Thanks Pima. You beat me to it.

In my experience, complaining in the service is a time honored tradition. I am sure that those who have "been there and done that" would confirm that complaining has risen to an art form in the military. It sure was in the USMC.

We compained amongst ourselves - to our peers. It wasn't out in the public domain. It didn't even travel outside our contained little group. Example: We complained about cold MRE's or old gear or the weather (heck ... it didn't matter. We complained about everything) until we ran into the Army where we bragged about our toughness, their "special" new weapons which they couldn't shoot well, their inability to get out in the elements, etc.

Frankly, its all part of the experience of being in the service. I think the difference may be the social aspect of this forum. My experience with the subject was before all this existed. Being in the public puts the complaints in front of people who don't get it (respectfully noted - no offense).

In the end, complain and gripe all you want. But then put your head down and get the job done. Do that and you have no argument with me.
 
USMC,

I think that is the thing, people are assuming that because they vent here they are doing it publicly in their det.

We all know what assume means!

If you take a different angle at this issue. Would you not all agree that they need a place to vent because they aren't doing it at the det.? This is the best place to do it since everyone here gets what they are feeling.

I remember when Bullet was up for O4. You couldn't go anywhere in a social setting without someone talking about the boards. The DP, P, DNPs were released in Feb. Results came out in June. It was 4 months of boards conversation, and than after the results were released it was another 2 weeks of conversation...who got passed over, who got it, who got PME option, and back than there was also BPZ, so that was a conversation too. Basically, it consumed lives.
 
I think that these cadets have been very honest about sharing their fears, anticipation, frustration and concerns. Thanks to all of you young men (and women) who have stepped up and shared your thoughts/apprehensions/honest concerns on this thread. I am one mom who appreciates it and who hopes that all of you earn an EA (naturally! I'm a mom!). I hope that none of you are or will be intimidated by comments that seem to minimalize or mock your well-stated and (and founded) commentary. I've learned some things based upon your posts that , as a mom of a cadet who is also waiting to hear, have been very helpful to me. After all, isn't that part of what this forum is all about? I'm sure it won't be long now before the EA lists are posted. You all have my sincerest hopes for the outcome that is best for you as you plan your future careers.
 
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I am working just as hard as I have been all year, I'm studying just as hard, and I'm preparing to the best of my ability for FT. But mentally I'm fed up. Personally, i don't see anything wrong with that. If I get an EA, I will be balls the walls excited and motivated. But in the mean time, I'm getting there. "What about when your stuck in BFE!" Yeah, well, I'm 20 and new to this, so lighten up.

So... Now that that is all taken care of...

Latest as of this morning is that AFROTC is getting a 21 percent across the board budget cut. Our COC talked to us this morning about it all. She said that they actually seriously considered scrapping FT for this year but they aren't doing that. She said that there are some meeting high up today that hopefully some answers come out of. She also said that they will be looking to potentially cut some 300's.
 
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I am working just as hard as I have been all year, I'm studying just as hard, and I'm preparing to the best of my ability for FT. But mentally I'm fed up. Personally, i don't see anything wrong with that. If I get an EA, I will be balls the walls excited and motivated. But in the mean time, I'm getting there. "What about when your stuck in BFE!" Yeah, well, I'm 20 and new to this, so lighten up.

So... Now that that is all taken care of...

Latest as of this morning is that AFROTC is getting a 21 percent across the board budget cut. Our COC talked to us this morning about it all. She said that they actually seriously considered scrapping FT for this year but they aren't doing that. She said that there are some meeting high up today that hopefully some answers come out of. She also said that they will be looking to potentially cut some 300's.

21%? That is ridiculous...And how can they cut 300s? Unless it's in their contract that the Air Force can terminate them at any time...that's crazy
 
21%? That is ridiculous...And how can they cut 300s? Unless it's in their contract that the Air Force can terminate them at any time...that's crazy

I have no doubt that any contract with the military allows them to terminate it at any time. If they can RIF thousands, as has been done in the past, they can certainly cut some 300s. Nevertheless, until it's done it's only a rumor.
 
When our DS was a 200, they actually cut a couple of 400's about 45 days prior to commissioning. The cadets had the grades/stats, it was nothing more than manpower issues for ADAF. They decided they had too many commissioning.

Basically, they were told fly be free, our parting gift is you don't owe us any money for your education! Yes, one of the few was a scholarship cadet....4 yrs of tuition paid.

This occurred back in 10. Even AFA grads that busted UPT were not washed back, some were not given even the option to change career fields. They were just told thank you, have a nice life.

I am not sure why people are shocked at the 21% cut. They are cutting 203K flight hours. They have cancelled Airshows. Closing down some radar stations, etc. No TDy's unless it is for critical mission purposes. Cancelling PME.

http://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20130408/NEWS/304080035

WASHINGTON — The Air Force will begin grounding combat air squadrons Tuesday in response to forced spending cuts that have eliminated more than 44,000 flying hours through September, according to internal documents obtained by Air Force Times.

The Air Force’s budget for flying hours was reduced by $591 million for the remainder of fiscal 2013, making it impossible to keep all squadrons ready for combat, according to an April 5 memo signed by Maj. Gen. Charles Lyon, director of operations for Air Combat Command. The across-the board spending cuts, called sequestration, took effect March 1 when Congress failed to agree on a deficit-reduction plan.

Seventeen combat-coded squadrons will stand down effective Tuesday or upon their return from deployments, according to the documents. The Air Force will distribute 241,496 flying hours that are funded to squadrons that will be kept combat ready or at a reduced readiness level called “basic mission capable” for part or all of the remaining months in fiscal 2013, the documents said.

When you put this into the big picture, you can start to realize how hard it is for the AF to determine where to cut and how deep. SFT is part of their budget. Read the entire link. They go airframe by airframe, squadron by squadron. It is shocking to see the cuts. F22, F16, B1, F15E. all of them are taking a huge hit. They are going to remain current via sims.

They have to save money. Reading that link makes it very clear, this summer is going to be intense in the flying world. G forbid NKorea does any action at all besides the rhetoric they are doing.now, and sequestration is going to be a huge issue.

Going back on topic, I think this is why these cadets are rightfully concerned. They have spent 2 yrs in the system, and they understand the impact of sequestration, they get that on the totem pole of priority for ADAF they are at the bottom of the pole regarding the AF's mission needs.

As for me...guys keep venting, you are human, and after 20 yrs of being married to an AF officer, the one thing I know is your friends and family that are not military don't get it. Your friends in classes, will think, so what you don't go this yr...you will go next yr., but they don't get there are certain stages that must be met and this is a big issue.

We all get it here.

That being said, I will say one thing; Sooner or later you have to move off of the subject. I think that is what some were trying to say. It just didn't come across that way.

You can vent, but it only allows a small amount of satisfaction. An hr or two later you are back at that frustration level.

Trust me, friends eventually get worn out hearing the same thing over and over again. Do yourself a favor. Divert your mind. If you want to go rated, and have yet to take the AFOQT, study for it, with the intention you are going to SFT. If not with the intention you will go OCS. If you have taken it, ask the folks if they will help you pay for an hour of flying. It will reinvigorate you to why you want this world.

If you are going non-rated, there are posters here in that world. Nick4060 is Intel, graduated last yr. Start an Intel, SP, Cyber, etc thread. Talk about the future.

The AF knows this is a special yr. Trust them, they will make adjustments for this yr.

FWIW, just my opinion. I wouldn't be shocked if posters like cralor (5 yr program) are not offered a slot compared to the non-tech 4 yr. They have stated becoming an AS 500 will not impact them since their commissioning yr group is not 15, but 16. It is the easiest cut without doing damage to commissionings, hence manpower needs for 15.
 
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Well, that news is disheartening, but I think what is most important is to remember that whatever happens with slots (tomorrow?), we all need to look out for our wingmen.

This is the biggest step most of us have ever taken in our lives. We ALL have worked hard enough to deserve a slot, and we all are dedicated: we wouldn't take all this in stride if we weren't.

Watch out for your wingmen tomorrow. Keep an eye on those who don't make it, and make sure those who do realize that though they got a slot, others didn't. Some people have built their lives around this, regardless of how young we are, and to many it might seem like its crashing down.

But its not. Not getting an EA does not mean it is this end. Convey this message and offer support.
 
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