WOW. I was on active duty back in the early 90s and don't recall hearing that but I'll guess it was a victim of the false "peace dividend" RIFfing that went on for a year or two in the early 90s. Tough luck. You know, when my son went for his AFROTC interview last month, the major basically guaranteed him a scholarship, saying he was basically about as sure a bet as you can get. Well, why bother having them if they are wacking engineers out their obligations just before graduation? I know they'll want a handfull at least in the pipeline at all times but what a waste. Major said the funds might be done a little this year but didn't hint it'd be that bad or that things were bad now. All his Det kids were passing on fine.
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WOW. I was on active duty back in the early 90s and don't recall hearing that but I'll guess it was a victim of the false "peace dividend" RIFfing that went on for a year or two in the early 90s. Tough luck. You know, when my son went for his AFROTC interview last month, the major basically guaranteed him a scholarship, saying he was basically about as sure a bet as you can get. Well, why bother having them if they are wacking engineers out their obligations just before graduation? I know they'll want a handfull at least in the pipeline at all times but what a waste. Major said the funds might be done a little this year but didn't hint it'd be that bad or that things were bad now. All his Det kids were passing on fine.
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As I stated the % is very small, and it should not be an OMG moment.
The way the system works for AFROTC is as a C300 they get their AFSC. Due to force shape re-structuring if they are over crowded in that field, they will trim the field. They will not hit AFA before AFROTC.
I am pretty sure in the case of the cadets in our DS's det., they were in an over manned field, thus, with the RIF looming they cut them.
For 14 I think they will have already cut to the bare bones.
I will say when summer training came about ly the det commander had stated in his 3-4 yrs at the school he never saw such low numbers accepted. Basically, if memory serves me correctly you needed a 3.4 gpa to get accepted.
Now, what does that mean? It means when you go up for your AFSC as a C300 and one cadet has field training and you don't, it will show up on your board review, thus, lower points awarded. Lower points, and you are in jeopardy.
Even though, they released a couple of cadets at his det., they still had 95% of their C300 getting 1st choice for AFSC, including UPT.
It is a supply and demand and because it is stats matter, thus, it is also a numbers game.
There are always going to be kids who lose their scholarship mainly based on gpa reqs. Currently, that gpa is a big player. FYI, 10% of your score for AFSC is your gpa.
I remember the RIF back in 92/93, but back then we were too young to see it coming. For example, it should have been easy to see because at UPT and UNT in 88 they didn't wash you back a class, instead they cut you loose. If you have been a long time poster there are 2 AFA grads that busted UPT, one was released, one was transferred into a new AFSC. That is AFA GRADS! On top of that there are AFA grads going to UPT 9 months from now. When the pipeline is flowing they will go in July/August. AFROTC will not start until they have entered, which means 9-10 months to start, maybe a yr before they enter. That is a HUGE backlog.
Bullet entered UNT in March, our friend who was AFA same yr entered in July, 8 months earlier.
The signs are all there for the re-shaping
1. RIF of company grade
2. Backlog in UPT pipeline
3. No OCS
4. Less scholarships
5. Release of AFROTC cadets with no pay back.
6. Lower field training acceptances.
7. SERB has returned
The only one that I do not know about is if they are allowing AD AF members to finish up their commitment in the guard. If they are, that is another sign.
Upshot, the AF is bulimic, they are known to cut to bare bones, and all of the sudden freak out that they cut too much, thus, those left standing are in good position.
It is also important to understand that the military world regarding the economy. When the unemployment rate is high, the retention rate is high, when unemployment is low, their retention rate is low. Right now the economy is in the tanks, that means people aren't leaving, but in 4 yrs from now, who knows? If the economy is on the uptick than the AF will lose people and again those left standing will be in a great position.
The yr before Bullet's O4 had a 60-65% promotion rate, his had 80%, the yr after that was something like 85%. Why? Because they had cut those groups to the bare bones. On top of that back in 98 when the Congress did the big pay increases, it was his yr group that got 10%+ for several years, whereas, above and below got smaller raises. Why? Because the military must keep a ratio in grades, and they needed to sweeten the pot for retention regarding them. It didn't end there, because they had lost so many fliers they gave WSO bonuses for certain yr groups, and started the new pilot bonus (the one that you get if you stay until 22). Like I said those left standing land up in a better spot than they could imagine.
The way the system works for AFROTC is as a C300 they get their AFSC. Due to force shape re-structuring if they are over crowded in that field, they will trim the field. They will not hit AFA before AFROTC.
I am pretty sure in the case of the cadets in our DS's det., they were in an over manned field, thus, with the RIF looming they cut them.
For 14 I think they will have already cut to the bare bones.
I will say when summer training came about ly the det commander had stated in his 3-4 yrs at the school he never saw such low numbers accepted. Basically, if memory serves me correctly you needed a 3.4 gpa to get accepted.
Now, what does that mean? It means when you go up for your AFSC as a C300 and one cadet has field training and you don't, it will show up on your board review, thus, lower points awarded. Lower points, and you are in jeopardy.
Even though, they released a couple of cadets at his det., they still had 95% of their C300 getting 1st choice for AFSC, including UPT.
It is a supply and demand and because it is stats matter, thus, it is also a numbers game.
There are always going to be kids who lose their scholarship mainly based on gpa reqs. Currently, that gpa is a big player. FYI, 10% of your score for AFSC is your gpa.
I remember the RIF back in 92/93, but back then we were too young to see it coming. For example, it should have been easy to see because at UPT and UNT in 88 they didn't wash you back a class, instead they cut you loose. If you have been a long time poster there are 2 AFA grads that busted UPT, one was released, one was transferred into a new AFSC. That is AFA GRADS! On top of that there are AFA grads going to UPT 9 months from now. When the pipeline is flowing they will go in July/August. AFROTC will not start until they have entered, which means 9-10 months to start, maybe a yr before they enter. That is a HUGE backlog.
Bullet entered UNT in March, our friend who was AFA same yr entered in July, 8 months earlier.
The signs are all there for the re-shaping
1. RIF of company grade
2. Backlog in UPT pipeline
3. No OCS
4. Less scholarships
5. Release of AFROTC cadets with no pay back.
6. Lower field training acceptances.
7. SERB has returned
The only one that I do not know about is if they are allowing AD AF members to finish up their commitment in the guard. If they are, that is another sign.
Upshot, the AF is bulimic, they are known to cut to bare bones, and all of the sudden freak out that they cut too much, thus, those left standing are in good position.
It is also important to understand that the military world regarding the economy. When the unemployment rate is high, the retention rate is high, when unemployment is low, their retention rate is low. Right now the economy is in the tanks, that means people aren't leaving, but in 4 yrs from now, who knows? If the economy is on the uptick than the AF will lose people and again those left standing will be in a great position.
The yr before Bullet's O4 had a 60-65% promotion rate, his had 80%, the yr after that was something like 85%. Why? Because they had cut those groups to the bare bones. On top of that back in 98 when the Congress did the big pay increases, it was his yr group that got 10%+ for several years, whereas, above and below got smaller raises. Why? Because the military must keep a ratio in grades, and they needed to sweeten the pot for retention regarding them. It didn't end there, because they had lost so many fliers they gave WSO bonuses for certain yr groups, and started the new pilot bonus (the one that you get if you stay until 22). Like I said those left standing land up in a better spot than they could imagine.
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As I understand it the 2014 class and the upcoming 2015 class will be substantially smaller than their preprocessors. Evidently the AFROTC gave more AFROTC scholarships to those 2013 and before classes based on their projected manpower needs at THAT time. The more recent (and much smaller) scholarship recipients will better reflect the anticipated needs of the Air Force. Unfortunately the Air Force needed to reduce the number of scholarship recipients already in the "pipeline" and the 2013 class (prior to FT) seemed to be the most dramatically affected, with certain "under performing" members of the POC also on the reduction list.
While not completely safe (immune) from future college RIF actions, it would seem that if you were good (lucky) enough to be selected for a scholarship for the classes of 2014 and 2015, you will not be as likely to be denied FT and/or lose your scholarship. Of course as Pima has said repeatedly "remember that just because you have one doesn't mean you are safe for the next 4 yrs. You need to use this time to build a resume, just like you did in hs for the scholarship".
Yep but if you are just entering and survive you are in a golden block down the road when the pendullum swings the other way and 'everyone' is getting promoted to O-5 and O-6
From your lips to God's ear.Yep but if you are just entering and survive you are in a golden block down the road when the pendullum swings the other way and 'everyone' is getting promoted to O-5 and O-6
However, I'm sure how strong the economy is at that time and whether there is an increased demand for Air Force officers will also effect those promotion possibilities.
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I agree and that's why I said what I did in my last paragraph.
Also, just because you are in that golden block doesn't mean it is golden for you.
I also agree with ag, those entering 14/15 are in a better standing than those that are 10/11/12. 13 to me is a crap shoot, because it appears that they are not giving in college scholarships, but nobody knows if their numbers are in line. If they are too high, than it would mean that FT is in jeopardy, thus, you are in the 10-12 yr group. If the FT % increases from LY that means they have the numbers right in line and you are good to go.
I hate to say it, but I think 13 is probably on the hit list for FT. I recall that there seemed to be a lot of scholarships on this forum compared to 14. 14 was mind boggling in the amount that did not get scholarships.
Like I said, the longer our economy is in the tanks the more competitive it will be. Kids will look to the AF as a way to pay for college and get a guaranteed job. The more scholarship applications and the higher the stats will be needed.
Screw up in college, no problem, they will fill you with a candidate that didn't get one or give the commissioning to someone who was never on scholarship.
It is all supply and demand.
AG, you are correct, the economy will be a player when it comes to our kids at O5. Again, great economy, and they will be like rats jumping off a sinking ship. Bad economy and they will be like a moth to a lightbulb sticking to it. Can you say SERB?
Also, just because you are in that golden block doesn't mean it is golden for you.
I also agree with ag, those entering 14/15 are in a better standing than those that are 10/11/12. 13 to me is a crap shoot, because it appears that they are not giving in college scholarships, but nobody knows if their numbers are in line. If they are too high, than it would mean that FT is in jeopardy, thus, you are in the 10-12 yr group. If the FT % increases from LY that means they have the numbers right in line and you are good to go.
I hate to say it, but I think 13 is probably on the hit list for FT. I recall that there seemed to be a lot of scholarships on this forum compared to 14. 14 was mind boggling in the amount that did not get scholarships.
Like I said, the longer our economy is in the tanks the more competitive it will be. Kids will look to the AF as a way to pay for college and get a guaranteed job. The more scholarship applications and the higher the stats will be needed.
Screw up in college, no problem, they will fill you with a candidate that didn't get one or give the commissioning to someone who was never on scholarship.
It is all supply and demand.
AG, you are correct, the economy will be a player when it comes to our kids at O5. Again, great economy, and they will be like rats jumping off a sinking ship. Bad economy and they will be like a moth to a lightbulb sticking to it. Can you say SERB?
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Many of our applicants also apply to service academies, NROTC, and AFROTC. If students are motivated to serve their country, and do not restrict themselves to a particular path towards commissioning, then AROTC might offer an easier way to achieve their goals. They do not need to be discouraged by the increasing standards and decreasing supply of scholarships of a particular program.
I realize that I was comparing apples to oranges, but in this case it was intentional.
I don't how I did this but "preprocessors" should have been predecessors. Sorry.
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AG, we knew what you meant.
Marist, I understand your position, yet, I am not someone who believes that the majority of candidates/cadets want to serve any and all branches. I believe they have a career field in mind and are applying to those branches to get them to that career field.
I have been here long enough to see that there are those who apply not only to every SA, but every branch for ROTC. They traditionally have found overlapping fields...i.e. want to fly, all 3 branches have that, so to them they will take any of them. Want Ranger, CRO, or Delta, all three branches have that option. Doing it to pay for college, you probably have yet to think of a career path.
However, for everyone of those candidates or cadets, there are 3 more, that have dreamed of doing XYZ since they were 6. Want to fly Helo's well, it is highly unlikely you will throw your hat into the AF. Want to fly fighters and the same holds true for Army. Want to be a Seal, and the AF is not your path because CRO is very small compared to Seal or Rangers. Want to drive a tank, you are SOL for the AF or Navy. Want to be on a sub....well, I think you get where I am going.
It behooves us all, not only as parents, but as citizens to match the candidate to the service. It is in our best interest to make sure that they not only understand, but comprehend that contracting on a scholarship means there is a devil in the details.
To say to an AFROTC candidate come on over to the Army, because the only difference is we have more scholarships and wear green uniforms instead of blue is just wrong.
You need to tell them that as an Intel officer in the AF you will not be going on the forward line, your butt will most likely be back in Turkey, Qatar, Saudi briefing the fliers.
You need to tell them that as a foreign language specialist it is highly unlikely they will be in harms way because we don't have AF or Navy boots on the ground in Afghanistan...unless they are embedded like an ALO or ETAC/TACP when it comes to the AF with the Army.
You need to explain to them how the commitment process works. Many of these kids are already thinking about getting TA for their Masters on the military dime, they need to know that they will incur a concurrent commitment that ends the last dispersement of the TA. In other words, if you take the last TA at 3 yrs, your time owed is at 6, not the original 4, and they can send you wherever they want, whenever they want, add on PCS or promotion, and it can be even longer if it is not timed properly. I.E. at 5 yrs they send you to Germany for 3 yrs (you can go non-vol, but they still own you), how many AD members can afford to job hunt from overseas, thus they agree to extend their commitment to 10 yrs, meanwhile, they make O4, which requires another commitment, plus because they are married with little ones this is a safety issue fiscally. So, now they have 12 yrs in from that promotion and are offered PME, they take it because they are in KS and want to get back to CA, timing stinks, and thus they extend the commitment to 15. Well, now you have 15 in, might as well stay until 20. I just took a ROTC cadet who joined with the intention of 4 yrs to 20 in a blink of an eye.
That didn't even discuss how ROTC cadets selected for school will always go after the SA. In other words, if the SA can't get their Intel grads into school for 3 months, not one ROTC officer commissioned in the same yr group will go prior to the SA. That means their butts are at home twiddling their thumbs for months without a paycheck. That is the system, at least for the AF.
We need to be honest. If after all of that honesty they are willing to serve any branch, we at least can say they met the devil and agreed to his terms.
Not one branch is better than the other. Each branch has a mission. Each ROTC cadet upon commissioning will live and breathe that life 24/7/365/4 yrs. That is a big difference than doing it part time in college to pay for college. In college it is college 20hrs/5 d/week/200weeks/yr/4 yrs. You are a college student who is in ROTC. Commissioned and you are an AD member that was in ROTC. If they call you at 10 a.m. Sunday morning, you go. If they are being deployed and you have travel plans, the plans are out the window and you go. If they say move in the next 90 days to Ft Rich AK from Hurlburt FL, where yo own a home, you move!
For those who are going ROTC, again, I cannot stress highly enough that getting the scholarship is just the beginning. You will need to prove yourself over and over again as a cadet. Your grades will matter, your positions will matter your PT scores will matter, your det rank will matter, and in the AFROTC your AFOQT will matter. Plus, your commander will write your rec for your AFSC, and that accounts for 65% of the score. IT IS NOT OVER UNTIL YOU ARE OPERATIONAL. Do not think you are clear to go just because you have a scholarship when it comes to career paths.
There is no discussion when it comes to the AD world; by accepting that scholarship, you agree to live by their rules. They also have the right to change the rules with no notice.
Marist, I understand your position, yet, I am not someone who believes that the majority of candidates/cadets want to serve any and all branches. I believe they have a career field in mind and are applying to those branches to get them to that career field.
I have been here long enough to see that there are those who apply not only to every SA, but every branch for ROTC. They traditionally have found overlapping fields...i.e. want to fly, all 3 branches have that, so to them they will take any of them. Want Ranger, CRO, or Delta, all three branches have that option. Doing it to pay for college, you probably have yet to think of a career path.
However, for everyone of those candidates or cadets, there are 3 more, that have dreamed of doing XYZ since they were 6. Want to fly Helo's well, it is highly unlikely you will throw your hat into the AF. Want to fly fighters and the same holds true for Army. Want to be a Seal, and the AF is not your path because CRO is very small compared to Seal or Rangers. Want to drive a tank, you are SOL for the AF or Navy. Want to be on a sub....well, I think you get where I am going.
It behooves us all, not only as parents, but as citizens to match the candidate to the service. It is in our best interest to make sure that they not only understand, but comprehend that contracting on a scholarship means there is a devil in the details.
To say to an AFROTC candidate come on over to the Army, because the only difference is we have more scholarships and wear green uniforms instead of blue is just wrong.
You need to tell them that as an Intel officer in the AF you will not be going on the forward line, your butt will most likely be back in Turkey, Qatar, Saudi briefing the fliers.
You need to tell them that as a foreign language specialist it is highly unlikely they will be in harms way because we don't have AF or Navy boots on the ground in Afghanistan...unless they are embedded like an ALO or ETAC/TACP when it comes to the AF with the Army.
You need to explain to them how the commitment process works. Many of these kids are already thinking about getting TA for their Masters on the military dime, they need to know that they will incur a concurrent commitment that ends the last dispersement of the TA. In other words, if you take the last TA at 3 yrs, your time owed is at 6, not the original 4, and they can send you wherever they want, whenever they want, add on PCS or promotion, and it can be even longer if it is not timed properly. I.E. at 5 yrs they send you to Germany for 3 yrs (you can go non-vol, but they still own you), how many AD members can afford to job hunt from overseas, thus they agree to extend their commitment to 10 yrs, meanwhile, they make O4, which requires another commitment, plus because they are married with little ones this is a safety issue fiscally. So, now they have 12 yrs in from that promotion and are offered PME, they take it because they are in KS and want to get back to CA, timing stinks, and thus they extend the commitment to 15. Well, now you have 15 in, might as well stay until 20. I just took a ROTC cadet who joined with the intention of 4 yrs to 20 in a blink of an eye.
That didn't even discuss how ROTC cadets selected for school will always go after the SA. In other words, if the SA can't get their Intel grads into school for 3 months, not one ROTC officer commissioned in the same yr group will go prior to the SA. That means their butts are at home twiddling their thumbs for months without a paycheck. That is the system, at least for the AF.
We need to be honest. If after all of that honesty they are willing to serve any branch, we at least can say they met the devil and agreed to his terms.
Not one branch is better than the other. Each branch has a mission. Each ROTC cadet upon commissioning will live and breathe that life 24/7/365/4 yrs. That is a big difference than doing it part time in college to pay for college. In college it is college 20hrs/5 d/week/200weeks/yr/4 yrs. You are a college student who is in ROTC. Commissioned and you are an AD member that was in ROTC. If they call you at 10 a.m. Sunday morning, you go. If they are being deployed and you have travel plans, the plans are out the window and you go. If they say move in the next 90 days to Ft Rich AK from Hurlburt FL, where yo own a home, you move!
For those who are going ROTC, again, I cannot stress highly enough that getting the scholarship is just the beginning. You will need to prove yourself over and over again as a cadet. Your grades will matter, your positions will matter your PT scores will matter, your det rank will matter, and in the AFROTC your AFOQT will matter. Plus, your commander will write your rec for your AFSC, and that accounts for 65% of the score. IT IS NOT OVER UNTIL YOU ARE OPERATIONAL. Do not think you are clear to go just because you have a scholarship when it comes to career paths.
There is no discussion when it comes to the AD world; by accepting that scholarship, you agree to live by their rules. They also have the right to change the rules with no notice.
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Glad to hear!
While you have those eyes wide open make sure you have the ears too!
As parents it is so hard to HEAR what our children are saying. We have a problem transitioning from that parental role. We just believe we know best for them.
This is not like college majors, where they can graduate with one major and take a 180 degree turn into another field for their profession.
Listen to what they are saying.
Be the jerk and play devil's advocate...if they want to go to VMI over UMich, highlight why UMich. If they want UMich over VMI highlight VMI.
Force them to defend where they want to go. The minute they do this, is the minute you run to the bursar's office.
Same with the branches. They want Army and applied Navy support the Navy and go against the Army.
I say this because when they question their decision, you can now remind them with love of why they opted this, using their own words.
Remember, when we said... and you said ...
While you have those eyes wide open make sure you have the ears too!
As parents it is so hard to HEAR what our children are saying. We have a problem transitioning from that parental role. We just believe we know best for them.
This is not like college majors, where they can graduate with one major and take a 180 degree turn into another field for their profession.
Listen to what they are saying.
Be the jerk and play devil's advocate...if they want to go to VMI over UMich, highlight why UMich. If they want UMich over VMI highlight VMI.
Force them to defend where they want to go. The minute they do this, is the minute you run to the bursar's office.
Same with the branches. They want Army and applied Navy support the Navy and go against the Army.
I say this because when they question their decision, you can now remind them with love of why they opted this, using their own words.
Remember, when we said... and you said ...
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I'd like to chime in here for those applying for scholarships, and for those who don't get them.
Don't choose your major for the scholarship! Tech major definitely increases your chances in the Air Force, but if you're not a math and physics guy, it'll screw you over. At the end of the day, when you're going through FTP and waiting for an enrollment allocation (EA) to field training, your grades have an enormous impact on whether or not you get it.
Go to college on a major that you will truly enjoy and you have a better shot. Remember, if you don't make the grade, not only do they take that scholarship away, but your Air Force career could be taken away in a heartbeat halfway through college.
By the way, I'm speaking from experience here. I'm an AS100 at ERAU, and was on scholarship for meteorology. I chose that major because I am genuinely interested in weather, and figured I could push through it with the scholarship. I decided halfway through this semester, on the verge of failing physics and calculus, to switch to a non-tech major and drop the scholarship.
It was a hard decision, but the reason that I went through with it is because when this is all finally over, I just want to be an Air Force officer. This is how I want to serve my country. The scholarship was a bonus, but neither that nor my career would've survived if I kept going in physics and math for the next four years. Now I've dropped physics (don't need it), and my final for calc is Monday. Unfortunately it is on the D/F wall, but all of my other classes are As, and I'll have the opportunity to improve my GPA and participate much more in AFROTC in the future.
When you get that notice in the mail saying that they've selected you for a technical major, take a hard look at the major you're pursuing, and look at your own capabilities in the classes that you'll have to take. For me, it was a learning experience, and going through the scholarship process helped me out since it got things like DoDMERB out of the way, but since it did take a little while to figure out I won't be able to make the grade, there has been an impact on my GPA. It has been a worthwhile experience that I never want to go through again, so to speak.
For those of you who don't get scholarships, don't think that it's the end. Like I said before, the scholarship is a bonus, but everyone is still competing for an officer slot. In a sense, scholarship cadets have a slightly better chance at EAs since they were able to successfully compete for it, but once at college, everyone is on even ground. Your dedication to your education and to the Air Force is what will make the difference.
If any of you guys have questions about the scholarship process or AFROTC (specifically at Embry-Riddle in Daytona), let me know.
Once I get past this final on Monday, I can take some more time to answer them.
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Eagle has it right when it comes to applying for the scholarship. You must want that major. If you are only doing it for a scholarship it can come back and bite you in the arse.
The AFROTC system is not like NROTC and AROTC, you can take it anywhere they approve. Go to somewhere like ERAU, where it is a technical oriented college, you may find yourself SOL if you decide to change majors.
You can change majors with the AF approval, however, right now, that is very difficult. Make sure that is the major you want, not the major you selected because you didn't know what else to major in.
The AFROTC system is not like NROTC and AROTC, you can take it anywhere they approve. Go to somewhere like ERAU, where it is a technical oriented college, you may find yourself SOL if you decide to change majors.
You can change majors with the AF approval, however, right now, that is very difficult. Make sure that is the major you want, not the major you selected because you didn't know what else to major in.
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Confirmed - AS100 at Det 720, Penn State here. This was announced in AIR Class within the last two weeks. All scholarships are frozen until the end of FY11. Some scholarships may reopen at the start of FY12.
I was lined up for a Meteorology Express Scholarship when the word came down last semester that express scholarships were frozen - this is just another nail in the coffin.
I was lined up for a Meteorology Express Scholarship when the word came down last semester that express scholarships were frozen - this is just another nail in the coffin.
Wow! I wonder if the Express Scholarships are frozen at all the AFROTC detachments? There are quite a few students at Pitt that have applied and who had thought they had a decent shot because of their majors. So far there has not been an announcement at that school.
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No ICSP at Det 157 (Embry-Riddle) and meteorology was taken off the express list in the fall.
At the time only a couple of majors were still going through (I think electrical engineering was one) but don't know if that has changed since then.
At the time only a couple of majors were still going through (I think electrical engineering was one) but don't know if that has changed since then.
Yep. Looks like Computer and Electrical Engineering along with nursing and some foreign languages.
http://www.afrotc.com/scholarships/in-college/express-scholarships/
I've still not heard of anyone getting an Express Scholarship even in those majors yet in FY2011. I suppose the applicants should find out fairly soon.
http://www.afrotc.com/scholarships/in-college/express-scholarships/
I've still not heard of anyone getting an Express Scholarship even in those majors yet in FY2011. I suppose the applicants should find out fairly soon.
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That would make sense because express for FY11, would be the class of 14, and ly on this board it appeared they tightened the amount given out.
If they already have enough cadets for 14, than there would be no need to offer scholarships.
It is a manpower issue.
I did ask DS if he heard of anyone in their det getting one, and he said no, all anyone is talking about is force re-shaping, and they get that money is tight.
In his det only about 30% are scholarship, the rest are on their own dime. If the AF doesn't need to spend money to retain future officers, when the DoD is slashing budgets left and right, why would they hand out scholarships?
If they already have enough cadets for 14, than there would be no need to offer scholarships.
It is a manpower issue.
I did ask DS if he heard of anyone in their det getting one, and he said no, all anyone is talking about is force re-shaping, and they get that money is tight.
In his det only about 30% are scholarship, the rest are on their own dime. If the AF doesn't need to spend money to retain future officers, when the DoD is slashing budgets left and right, why would they hand out scholarships?
Specifically for Express Scholarships the AF is attempting to proactively recruit students with certain majors in order to meet the Air Force ROTC officer production requirements in specific fields and year groups. If they could get enough of these students without scholarships then I'm sure they wouldn't need to offer "special" scholarships for them specifically.
The question that remains unanswered is: "Will the AF actually award Express Scholarships this FY?" Their website is still "advertising" them, and the college detachments are aggressively attempting to recruit students by offering them the likely possibility of receiving a scholarship. Can and will the AF actually deliver scholarships this semester to these students and will they be back next year if the AF doesn't? I think we'll find out within the next month or so....