THmom
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Slide says 4-year.
Applicant #s for AROTC?
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I had wondered what the correlation is between 4-year ROTC winners and the likelihood of eventual SA appointment? Seems pretty stong for USMA but I'm not sure if that applies to all SA's?
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Seems to be in line with the estimate of 25-30% of the boarded applicants get 4-Year offers
If the numbers on that slide are correct and reflect the number of 4 years Scholarships awarded at 1468, and if 3000 scholarships total were awarded then the percentage of 4 year scholarships would be more like 48%.
The scholarship process has changed so many times over the 12 years since my first son applied, it seems to get either minor or major changes depending on the new command structure at Cadet Command every two years or so. Back when my older son applied they did not have Boards, The PMS at individuals Battalions awarded the scholarships. Changes were made a couple years later in part because the PMS's didn't follow the guidelines on the number of scholarship awarded and they gave many more then they were supposed to. Cadet Command then went to the Board System. Even this system has gone through changes over the years, but has the core of the three boards have remained. The results used to trickle out over a 3 or 4 day period, now they are dumped all at once. There used to be a larger number of 4 year scholarships but a smaller number of total scholarships offered. This has changed to a larger number of 3 year and a larger total number awarded. Around the time these changes were being made there were articles written that referenced the need to change because of the percentage of 4 year winners that would leave after their first year, The Army was spending a lot of money of scholarship cadets that stayed just one year. Switching to a higher number of 3 year scholarships gave the Army a chance to "thin the herd" without having to pay for that first year, the result seemed to be that they were able to offer more scholarships (3 year) each year with the money they saved. Not a bad idea in my opinion.
For an example of just how much can change, both my sons went to LDAC and that used to be at Ft. Lewis WA.
As it's always been in the Military, don't get too comfortable with the current system, it will probably change when the new General/Admiral takes command.
The scholarship process has changed so many times over the 12 years since my first son applied, it seems to get either minor or major changes depending on the new command structure at Cadet Command every two years or so. Back when my older son applied they did not have Boards, The PMS at individuals Battalions awarded the scholarships. Changes were made a couple years later in part because the PMS's didn't follow the guidelines on the number of scholarship awarded and they gave many more then they were supposed to. Cadet Command then went to the Board System. Even this system has gone through changes over the years, but has the core of the three boards have remained. The results used to trickle out over a 3 or 4 day period, now they are dumped all at once. There used to be a larger number of 4 year scholarships but a smaller number of total scholarships offered. This has changed to a larger number of 3 year and a larger total number awarded. Around the time these changes were being made there were articles written that referenced the need to change because of the percentage of 4 year winners that would leave after their first year, The Army was spending a lot of money of scholarship cadets that stayed just one year. Switching to a higher number of 3 year scholarships gave the Army a chance to "thin the herd" without having to pay for that first year, the result seemed to be that they were able to offer more scholarships (3 year) each year with the money they saved. Not a bad idea in my opinion.
For an example of just how much can change, both my sons went to LDAC and that used to be at Ft. Lewis WA.
As it's always been in the Military, don't get too comfortable with the current system, it will probably change when the new General/Admiral takes command.
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Oh wow, I see the link now! That slide is an interesting comparison.
Is it possible that they award more 4 years knowing that many will be declined for SA? Or do all the declined scholarships go back into the pool?
Probably something to this. On the flip side, though, if they got too miserly with the 4Y scholarships, then they no doubt lose people to AFROTC/NROTC/SAs that they might otherwise have gotten. So it's a balance between the two. Relatedly (I suspect) is what seems to be a pretty clear message from AFROTC that they have loosened up on awarding non-tech scholarships. That strikes me as a change directed at gaining cadets that they believe they were losing to AROTC or the SAs.
I hate to say it but I think the test score is pretty important. If you have a lower test score you have to make up for it with a very high GPA. Likewise with the GPA, if it is lower then you have to make up for that with a higher test score.
You're correct in that the test scores can be important although just having a higher GPA may not be enough. Cadet Command looks at the Whole Person Score of Academics/Leadership/Athletics. Someone with low test scores and/or an average/above average GPA can make up a lot of ground if they are very strong in both Leadership and Athletics, especially Leadership. It's not unheard of to see scholarship winners with a 24 ACT/1100 SAT and a 3.3 to 3.5 GPA that had very strong Leadership and Athletics. It's also not unheard of to applicants with high test scores and high GPA's not receive a scholarship because they were lacking in the other two legs of the application. The goal is a well balanced application.
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DD was one of those awarded a 4 Year AROTC Type 1 Scholarship on the first board, and a 3 Year AFROTC Type 7 also on the first board. Then, about a week ago, got an email from AFROTC stating if she attended one of the top 16 schools (Ivy League included) in the nation, they would immediately convert it to a 4 Year Type 1. Got 'em fighting against each other.
Cornell University is plan B, but she won't know of acceptance until April.
To confirm the above- DD has an unweighted GPA of 3.7 (weighted is 4.34), SAT 1350, ACT 32. Leadership and athletics also very strong. And yes- hoping to be able to turn down the scholarship in favor of a USMA appointment.
Cornell University is plan B, but she won't know of acceptance until April.
To confirm the above- DD has an unweighted GPA of 3.7 (weighted is 4.34), SAT 1350, ACT 32. Leadership and athletics also very strong. And yes- hoping to be able to turn down the scholarship in favor of a USMA appointment.
By chance, do you mean a 3 Year Type 2 (or 4 Year Type 7)? I'm not sure I've heard of a 3 Year Type 7 out of HS.
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Oh I probably got it wrong. DD is handing everything herself. It was a 4 year in state, or 3 year out of state? But then became 4 year out of state to a number of specific schools; Stanford, Cornell, MIT?
Of course, you have to be admitted to one of them...
Of course, you have to be admitted to one of them...