Approximately how many ROTC nominated appointment slots are available?

IronmanDaremo

IronmanDaremo

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Tried a quick search, but was unable to definitely track down how many appointments could theoretically be charged to a NROTC nomination (or in this case, all ROTC sources).

I know that there are endless possibilities of how the class is put together, but just trying to figure out some numbers in my head.

Thanks!
 
In the past,, They generally took 20 or less from all forms of ROTC nominations, to include JROTC.
 
Holy crap! That's not that many!

Hope my kid gets some Congressional noms even if he does get a NROTC one from his CO! I thought he'd have a better shot if he got one.
 
Not sure if you're specifically referring to a PNS nomination for USNA. If that is the case, the number is 3. Do they really track it? Depends how many they get from PNS types. I would offer in the past I have submitted one or two extra, and no one showed up at my door with handcuffs. But the official answer is 3.

For NJROTC and others, I've copied and pasted from the USNA website......

Naval Reserve Officers Training Corps Units​

Naval Reserve Officers Training Corps (NROTC, NJROTC, MCJROTC), Honor Naval and Military Schools:​

All Navy ROTC units and all Navy and Marine Corps JROTC units are eligible to nominate three candidates each year. All Navy and Marine Corps JROTC units designated as Honor Units with Distinction are eligible to nominate an additional three candidates each. All Army and Air Force JROTC units designated as Honor Units with Distinction are eligible to nominate three candidates. Army and Air Force units must submit a copy of their order along with the nominated. Student must currently be in the JROTC or ROTC unit. Past participation does not qualify.
 
IronmanDaremo said:
Hope my kid gets some Congressional noms even if he does get a NROTC one from his CO! I thought he'd have a better shot if he got one.
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With the utmost respect to the very fine congressional staffers who I know monitor this board ;), my experience has shown that a nom from a sitting PNS who has done a few of these resonates with the USNA admissions team. We know what to look for, and can speak directly to a candidate's physical readiness, uniform appearance, military bearing, deportment, and character. And as an added bonus, some PNS's will sign off as CAPT I. M. Salty, USNA '94 or whatever year group they are. The staffers helping with selections may not have that same level of background.

And did I mention I wanted to be respectful to the congressional staffers on here? I really like my job. :D
 
10 U.S.C. 8454(b)(4) authorizes appointments of "20 nominated by the Secretary of the Navy, under regulations prescribed by him, from the honor graduates of schools designated as honor schools by the Department of the Army, the Department of the Navy, or the Department of the Air Force, and from members of the Naval Reserve Officer’s Training corps."
 
Yup, read that.

And with the 3 noms each PNS (or ROTC CO) gets to submit, that is a big azz pool for only 20 slots!
 
IronmanDaremo said:
Yup, read that.

And with the 3 noms each PNS (or ROTC CO) gets to submit, that is a big azz pool for only 20 slots!
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Would love to think that many of these NROTC MIDN who are applying to USNA also have congressional nominations and that they are solid performers when it comes to either winning slates or as additional appointees such that the ROTC based appointments are really just capturing a few outliers who did not get MOC nominations.
 
Me too. Just goes to show how competitive things are, no matter which path is taken!

The bottom line is, the more options a candidate gives to the USNA admissions team, the more flexibility they have with putting together the class.
 
20 isn't necessarily the finite number for ROTC. After they offer appointments and it is found that the authorized class size has not been reached, appointments are offered to qualified alternates at a ratio of 3:1 with the 3/4 being from VP & MOC sources and the 1/4 being from all other authorized sources (including ROTC)
 
GWU PNS said:
With the utmost respect to the very fine congressional staffers who I know monitor this board ;), my experience has shown that a nom from a sitting PNS who has done a few of these resonates with the USNA admissions team. We know what to look for, and can speak directly to a candidate's physical readiness, uniform appearance, military bearing, deportment, and character. And as an added bonus, some PNS's will sign off as CAPT I. M. Salty, USNA '94 or whatever year group they are. The staffers helping with selections may not have that same level of background.

And did I mention I wanted to be respectful to the congressional staffers on here? I really like my job. :D
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Appropriately weighty noms.
 
Gobsmacked said:
20 isn't necessarily the finite number for ROTC. After they offer appointments and it is found that the authorized class size has not been reached, appointments are offered to qualified alternates at a ratio of 3:1 with the 3/4 being from VP & MOC sources and the 1/4 being from all other authorized sources (including ROTC)
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True that it is not the finite number. While it is basically impossible to know how many of these 10 U.S.C. 8456 appointments will go to ROTC candidates, one could assume that if a sitting PNS signs off, who knows the candidate, this is a solid pathway beyond the 20.
 
In addition to the 20 ROTC slots, the nominated candidate would be eligible for the VP 5 at large and the Service Academy Sup 50 at large nominations.

However, the Service Secretary has 150 nominations for alternates who received congressional nominations but were not appointed in order of merit.

That is what really puts a JROTC or ROTC candidate at a disadvantage if the MOC or Senator requires a withdrawal if you have an ROTC or JROTC nomination.

The ROTC/JROTC nom has a total of 75 opportunities (ROTC 20 plus VP-5 and Sup-50) for appointment (assuming no other service related nominations), whereas the nominee by MOC or Senator has a total of 201 opportunities for appointment including his/her MOC or Senator nomination (VP-5, Service Secretary-150, Sup-50).

It would seem that getting an early ROTC/JROTC nomination puts a candidate at a disadvantage. It might make sense to wait until after Congressional nominations are concluded to seek the JROTC/ROTC nom, but could raise issue with the interview if active in JROTC/ROTC why no nomination, plus the possibility of the PNS already using up the 3 noms.

DS only had a JROTC nom until notified after Jan 15 for an interview with Senator and ultimately getting a nom from the Senator just before Jan 31 giving him a total of 226 opportunities for appointment as opposed to 75. He ultimately received an appointment and is now a plebe (WP). The figures would be the same for the USNA and Air Force Academy.
 
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