Army ROTC 2nd Board Results!

KingZunzie said:
You can Google running programs. I'm not being snide with that recommendation, I just don't know enough to provide trusted advice. But, from the little I do know, I think that in addition to increasing your stamina by running more than a mile regularly, you may want to mix in sprints to increase your speed. You should be able to knock some time off in a month. Did you max out push ups and curl ups?

As for your question on stats, did you see the post last night that the 4-year winners averaged a 1399 and a 3.81 GPA? We don't know 3-year awardees stats. But to reinforce the fact that you can't just go by these stats, my son received a 4-year with a 30 ACT and a 3.7 - below average on both. But he obviously fared well enough in the other categories to bring his point total up. Work to improve what you can, and like so many others have said, have a Plan B and C.
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Yup thank you, I did max out on push ups and curl ups on the test yes. And yup! already working on plans b and c just in case.
 
Power_Outage_ said:
My suggestion as a cross country runner is to avoid eating a large meal 2hrs before running and don't drink guzzle water during that time either. Hopefully, that helps your side stitch.
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Okay thank you for letting me know! I really appreciate it.
 
hrtly said:
The Oder of Merit List is essentially a huge list of every applicant with an assigned numerical value in points that you get based on your application. For example you can get ~250 points I think maximum from the PT test and so on for every category. Scholarships are awarded from the #1 person on that list, until they run out.
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150 for the PFA - smallest number of points of any component on the application.
 
I got offered an ECP scholarship. I was wondering if I would have a good chance at receiving a 3 or 4 year scholarship in the next board if I declined this offer. I got a 1290 on my SAT and my unweighted GPA was a 3.85 and I am active in sports and school clubs.
 
clarksonarmy said:
150 for the PFA - smallest number of points of any component on the application.
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Ah, that’s good to see. I’ll worry a little less now that my son never resubmitted his higher CFA. I was wondering if that could have made the difference between a 3 year or a 4. He’ll still follow up but good to know that it probably didn’t have a significant impact.
 
clarksonarmy said:
150 for the PFA - smallest number of points of any component on the application.
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While the PFA is the smallest component on the application, do you think a candidates' performance on the PFA factors into their PMS interview and Board scores? For example, while a 142 wouldn't be viewed much different from a 136, and not much of a differentiator on the OML, a 125 could be used to not only be 17 points less on the OML, but factor into lower PMS interview and Board scores? I'm using those numbers as examples, and have no idea of knowing what the PMSs or Board members consider a "good" PFA score.
 
bk120165 said:
I got offered an ECP scholarship. I was wondering if I would have a good chance at receiving a 3 or 4 year scholarship in the next board if I declined this offer. I got a 1290 on my SAT and my unweighted GPA was a 3.85 and I am active in sports and school clubs.
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I think your numbers are in the range, but if you review prior posts you will see that nobody can tell you. People with better stats won't get awards, and people with lesser stats will get awards. What you don't mention are leadership and your PMS interview. Those are just as important (more important in the case of the PMS interview) than your academics. They are looking for Students - Athletes - Leaders (SAL). As a data point, my son received a 4-year award with a 30 ACT and a 3.7 unweighted, so you can see how important the other factors are.
 
bk120165 said:
I got offered an ECP scholarship. I was wondering if I would have a good chance at receiving a 3 or 4 year scholarship in the next board if I declined this offer. I got a 1290 on my SAT and my unweighted GPA was a 3.85 and I am active in sports and school clubs.
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Hopefully a few of the three year winners from yesterday can answer what there stats were because I'm wondering the same thing.
 
KingZunzie said:
I think your numbers are in the range, but if you review prior posts you will see that nobody can tell you. People with better stats won't get awards, and people with lesser stats will get awards. What you don't mention are leadership and your PMS interview. Those are just as important (more important in the case of the PMS interview) than your academics. They are looking for Students - Athletes - Leaders (SAL). As a data point, my son received a 4-year award with a 30 ACT and a 3.7 unweighted, so you can see how important the other factors are.
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Yeah you're very right. I got the max amount of points on the PMS interview and have solid leadership activities and other clubs but based on this years board. Anything is on the table for who gets what
 
KingZunzie said:
I think your numbers are in the range, but if you review prior posts you will see that nobody can tell you. People with better stats won't get awards, and people with lesser stats will get awards. What you don't mention are leadership and your PMS interview. Those are just as important (more important in the case of the PMS interview) than your academics. They are looking for Students - Athletes - Leaders (SAL). As a data point, my son received a 4-year award with a 30 ACT and a 3.7 unweighted, so you can see how important the other factors are.
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Thank you for the response!
 
KingZunzie said:
While the PFA is the smallest component on the application, do you think a candidates' performance on the PFA factors into their PMS interview and Board scores? For example, while a 142 wouldn't be viewed much different from a 136, and not much of a differentiator on the OML, a 125 could be used to not only be 17 points less on the OML, but factor into lower PMS interview and Board scores? I'm using those numbers as examples, and have no idea of knowing what the PMSs or Board members consider a "good" PFA score.
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I did a bunch of interviews this year and typically I glanced at the the PFA score and unless I saw something egregious it didn't really factor. 50 push ups, 50 curl ups and something like 6:20 and you got all the points. If your PFA sucks it's also going to show elsewhere and an interviewer will pick up the fact that you don't play any sports, or in your essays you didn't talk about your athletics or fitness. Yes...you should strive to do well on the PFA, but don't lose sleep over a couple pushups...it's not why you didn't get an offer.
 
I would appreciate if people who did and didn't receive an offer could insight on the stats they had just to give many individuals like myself a better perspective on what the third board may look like. I understand that the PMS interview is extremely important but I am just struggling with my decision on the offer I received and I do not have much time to decide. Thanks
 
bk120165 said:
I would appreciate if people who did and didn't receive an offer could insight on the stats they had just to give many individuals like myself a better perspective on what the third board may look like. I understand that the PMS interview is extremely important but I am just struggling with my decision on the offer I received and I do not have much time to decide. Thanks
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You may also want to reach out to the ROO at the school you plan to attend and ask about ROTC scholarships offered through the school and how likely you are to get one. Just so you have all the info to make your decision.
 
bk120165 said:
I would appreciate if people who did and didn't receive an offer could insight on the stats they had just to give many individuals like myself a better perspective on what the third board may look like. I understand that the PMS interview is extremely important but I am just struggling with my decision on the offer I received and I do not have much time to decide. Thanks
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Sure, I got a 3 year to my top 3 schools and had a 33 ACT and 3.6 GPA. My activities are decent, but I was definitely lacking in athletic involvement.
 
bk120165 said:
I would appreciate if people who did and didn't receive an offer could insight on the stats they had just to give many individuals like myself a better perspective on what the third board may look like. I understand that the PMS interview is extremely important but I am just struggling with my decision on the offer I received and I do not have much time to decide. Thanks
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Just some advice. Comparing stats may be a frustrating exercise. There is way more parts than GPA and test scores. Interview, CBEF, essays, leadership....

It's a normal progression this time of the year, just don't get wrapped up in comparing 1 packet to another.
 
bk120165 said:
I would appreciate if people who did and didn't receive an offer could insight on the stats they had just to give many individuals like myself a better perspective on what the third board may look like. I understand that the PMS interview is extremely important but I am just struggling with my decision on the offer I received and I do not have much time to decide. Thanks
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1300 SAT, 3.4 GPA (low due to some academic issues freshman year)
Max PT score
Keep in mind that a large majority of how they review applicants isn't accessible to us. CBEF/Interview etc. I would be less paranoid of other's stats and rather try your hardest to get the best packet you can. You could be number 1 to receive a scholarship board 3 and not know. Numbers don't tell the whole story.
 
Anyone looking
bk120165 said:
I would appreciate if people who did and didn't receive an offer could insight on the stats they had just to give many individuals like myself a better perspective on what the third board may look like. I understand that the PMS interview is extremely important but I am just struggling with my decision on the offer I received and I do not have much time to decide. Thanks
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I got a 3 year with 1340 SAT and 3.6 GPA, Max PT Score, Eagle Scout, Varsity Letter in two sports, Team Captain, and a couple other extracurriculars. But as @hrtly and others have said, it's hard to compare stats accurately and the averages could (and probably will) be different for the third board.
 
pdogs said:
Anyone looking

I got a 3 year with 1340 SAT and 3.6 GPA, Max PT Score, Eagle Scout, Varsity Letter in two sports, Team Captain, and a couple other extracurriculars. But as @hrtly and others have said, it's hard to compare stats accurately and the averages could (and probably will) be different for the third board.
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That's correct. No one knows what they are exactly looking for. One person could have crushed the interview and CBEF survey and had worse test scores and GPA. Numbers are usually very very hard to compare but if it relieves stress, it relives stress.
 
bk120165 said:
I would appreciate if people who did and didn't receive an offer could insight on the stats they had just to give many individuals like myself a better perspective on what the third board may look like. I understand that the PMS interview is extremely important but I am just struggling with my decision on the offer I received and I do not have much time to decide. Thanks
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The third board of PMS’s won’t look at your file if you were boarded on the first or second.
 
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